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Here’s a summary of Terence Crawford’s opposition at welterweight prior to the Shawn Porter bout, covering a 51-month timeframe:

• Jeff Horn (rated 5th by The RING):
Was on the receiving end of a controversial hometown decision victory over Hall-of-Famer, Manny Pacquiao. This was the only reason why The RING rated him as the fifth best welterweight on the planet immediately prior to facing Crawford. But prior to that, his sole career highlight was stopping Randall Bailey (a journeyman that had previously suffered eight defeats). After losing to Crawford in one-sided fashion, Jeff Horn returned to Australian domestic level and has since suffered two stoppage defeats to Michael Zerafa and Tim Tszyu.

• Jose Benavidez Jr (unranked):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose career highlight was scoring a decision victory over Mauricio Herrera (an opponent that loses to literally everyone!). Benavidez Jr. seemingly retired from the sport after losing to Crawford.

• Amir Khan (unranked):
An off-form past-his-prime fighter that only enjoyed limited success at welterweight, when he faced Crawford, his only victory at 147lbs during a 47-month time period was when had to get up off the canvas to score a decision victory over the limited gatekeeper Samuel Vargas (a fighter previously KO’d with consummate ease by Errol Spence Jr. and Danny Garcia). The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

• Egidijus Kavaliauskas (rated 9th by The RING):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose sole career highlight was his victory over the European level David Avanesyan. He was recently stopped by Vergil Ortiz Jr.

• Kell Brook (unranked):
An inactive past-his-prime fighter that hadn’t won a fight at 147lbs for 4½ years immediately prior to the Crawford bout. And hadn’t beaten world class opponent for six years and three months. Bob Arum previously claimed that Kell Brook was irrelevant and wasn’t good enough to be on Crawford’s radar. The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

Terence Crawford will be approaching 34½ years of age when he enters the ring against Shawn Porter, without having faced any genuine world-rated opposition since his late twenties.

Thoughts?

Here is Errol Spence's resume at welterweight:

Ducked Terrence Crawford for three years.

Career high accomplishment in signing up to fight ancient former flyweight champion Pacquiao only to mess up and never make it to the ring.

Looked like shit vs former featherweight champion Danny Garcia.

Loooked like crap vs lousy Shawn Porter.

Needed 11 rounds to dispatch of LOL Kell Brook.

Heroically took on the worlds worst boxer Chris Algieri.

Something at 147 has been really really wrong lately.

Well Crawford hasn't had much of a warm up for Porter, that's for sure.
Which is what makes their upcoming fight interesting.
I must say that after moving up in weight, Crawford has lost a lot of momentum. People might say that has to do with promotion etc, but I'm of the thought that if you really want to fight someone, you will get it done.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 13:43 Well Crawford hasn't had much of a warm up for Porter, that's for sure.
Which is what makes their upcoming fight interesting.
I must say that after moving up in weight, Crawford has lost a lot of momentum. People might say that has to do with promotion etc, but I'm of the thought that if you really want to fight someone, you will get it done.

Works both ways don’t it?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:44

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 13:43 Well Crawford hasn't had much of a warm up for Porter, that's for sure.
Which is what makes their upcoming fight interesting.
I must say that after moving up in weight, Crawford has lost a lot of momentum. People might say that has to do with promotion etc, but I'm of the thought that if you really want to fight someone, you will get it done.

Works both ways don’t it?

Me no understand?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:56

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:44

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 13:43 Well Crawford hasn't had much of a warm up for Porter, that's for sure.
Which is what makes their upcoming fight interesting.
I must say that after moving up in weight, Crawford has lost a lot of momentum. People might say that has to do with promotion etc, but I'm of the thought that if you really want to fight someone, you will get it done.

Works both ways don’t it?

Me no understand?

About wanting to fight someone?

Manny-Floyd managed to get it done eventually,

GGG-Canelo managed to get it done. TWICE.

These guys want more than what it’s worth.

Take a small guarantee and get the rest on %..

You should get paid your worth.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 15:16

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:56

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:44

Works both ways don’t it?

Me no understand?

About wanting to fight someone?

Manny-Floyd managed to get it done eventually,

GGG-Canelo managed to get it done. TWICE.

These guys want more than what it’s worth.

Take a small guarantee and get the rest on %..

You should get paid your worth.

Gottcha .
Crawford was worth a lot IMO when he held all 4 belts before moving up.
Since then, well, I think he has devalued just because it's been such a long wait until something meaningful like this, and even then, there are bigger fish to fry

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 15:16

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:56

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 14:44

Works both ways don’t it?

Me no understand?

About wanting to fight someone?

Manny-Floyd managed to get it done eventually,

GGG-Canelo managed to get it done. TWICE.

These guys want more than what it’s worth.

Take a small guarantee and get the rest on %..

You should get paid your worth.

I’m sure you’re aware of Bob Arum’s claims about losing money staging Crawford’s events, with Top Rank more than happy to offload him?

I also believe you know for certain that Crawford has adamantly stated that he won’t fight without receiving his stipulated Top Rank purse guarantee.

You are also well aware of Crawford’s dire PPV figures.

Therefore, who was going to fund Crawford’s bouts against big name opposition, because Top Rank almost certainly couldn’t afford it?

porter is live even tho you could say he is wineding down,but this is crawfords toughest fight he will ask questions, i think crawfords left it to late i think he could lose this fight 3 years ago no but 2oth he could he will ginuwine pressure fighter whos tough

he obiously dont got a big resume at 147, which is why pretty much everyone sees porter as a big step up

Fortunately, resume's and records don't put on boxing gloves and enter the squared circle. Opportunities arise for some and some aren't as lucky. Boots Ennis has a much worse resume than any welter in the thread, so does that make him worthy of criticism, like the OP is angling at for Crawford? Boots may be the best guy at 147, who knows.

If you don't recognize Crawford's ability and talent, please, stick to criticizing his resume...you can be right on paper at least.

Horn beat Pacquiao, was no robbery.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 20:31 he obiously dont got a big resume at 147, which is why pretty much everyone sees porter as a big step up

He has delt with everyone put in front of him at 147 pretty decisively.
I just expect him to start sliding soon and find myself lamenting that he could have had so much more of a legacy - if only...

emallini wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 21:45 Horn beat Pacquiao, was no robbery.

Horn vs pac was close. But its boxing, the judges always go with the A-side, And with P4P GOAT Jeff "the hornet" Horn in a fight against some random guy from the Philippines, of coarse "The hornet" will get the nod.

gregregegg wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 23:56 Horn vs pac was close. But its boxing, the judges always go with the A-side, And with P4P GOAT Jeff "the hornet" Horn in a fight against some random guy from the Philippines, of coarse "The hornet" will get the nod.

it was in Brizzy too

Crawford is going to retire Porter I’m sad to say. Porter is going to again go the ugly route and try to wrestle his way into the fight. But TC is the absolute wrong guy for that tactic. TC loves it ugly and he’s just going to tee off with bombs that Porter just hasn’t seen in all of his wars.

My prediction is Porter’s Dad throws the towel by the 10th. Porter will retire inside the ring at the end. Good career but it’s going to be one hell of a way to go out.

Don't give up 10-8 rounds and keep it close should be the Shawn Porter motto

caldo2025 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2021, 00:56 Crawford is going to retire Porter I’m sad to say. Porter is going to again go the ugly route and try to wrestle his way into the fight. But TC is the absolute wrong guy for that tactic. TC loves it ugly and he’s just going to tee off with bombs that Porter just hasn’t seen in all of his wars.

My prediction is Porter’s Dad throws the towel by the 10th. Porter will retire inside the ring at the end. Good career but it’s going to be one hell of a way to go out.

Exactly. It won't be easy, but Porter will bring out the dog in Crawford. I agree except for the retiring part. Porter is a tough guy, and there is no shame against losing to a guy like Crawford.

The Crawford-Porter bout is basically between two inactive 34-year-old past-their-prime fighters, with neither man considered commercially big draws.

One of them hasn’t faced credible opposition for 4½ years and the other one has arguably won only one fight within the last 39 months.

This isn't 2018 - we're almost in 2022.

looking forward to this, lets see how tcraw can do compared to errol

Crawford vs Spence would be a superfight. Unfortunately we will never see it happen. Cant imagine the great fighters if the past refusing to fight each other.

tennessee wrote: ↑05 Nov 2021, 11:08 Crawford vs Spence would be a superfight. Unfortunately we will never see it happen. Cant imagine the great fighters if the past refusing to fight each other.

I don't think they're refusing to fight each other.

The ESPN & Showtime/Fox want to get paid.

Bob Arum & Al Haymon want to get paid.

The PBC & Top Rank want to get paid.

Crawford and Spence Jr. want to get paid.

Not enough fight fans interested in paying.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 13:06 Here’s a summary of Terence Crawford’s opposition at welterweight prior to the Shawn Porter bout, covering a 51-month timeframe:

• Jeff Horn (rated 5th by The RING):
Was on the receiving end of a controversial hometown decision victory over Hall-of-Famer, Manny Pacquiao. This was the only reason why The RING rated him as the fifth best welterweight on the planet immediately prior to facing Crawford. But prior to that, his sole career highlight was stopping Randall Bailey (a journeyman that had previously suffered eight defeats). After losing to Crawford in one-sided fashion, Jeff Horn returned to Australian domestic level and has since suffered two stoppage defeats to Michael Zerafa and Tim Tszyu.

• Jose Benavidez Jr (unranked):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose career highlight was scoring a decision victory over Mauricio Herrera (an opponent that loses to literally everyone!). Benavidez Jr. seemingly retired from the sport after losing to Crawford.

• Amir Khan (unranked):
An off-form past-his-prime fighter that only enjoyed limited success at welterweight, when he faced Crawford, his only victory at 147lbs during a 47-month time period was when had to get up off the canvas to score a decision victory over the limited gatekeeper Samuel Vargas (a fighter previously KO’d with consummate ease by Errol Spence Jr. and Danny Garcia). The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

• Egidijus Kavaliauskas (rated 9th by The RING):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose sole career highlight was his victory over the European level David Avanesyan. He was recently stopped by Vergil Ortiz Jr.

• Kell Brook (unranked):
An inactive past-his-prime fighter that hadn’t won a fight at 147lbs for 4½ years immediately prior to the Crawford bout. And hadn’t beaten world class opponent for six years and three months. Bob Arum previously claimed that Kell Brook was irrelevant and wasn’t good enough to be on Crawford’s radar. The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

Terence Crawford will be approaching 34½ years of age when he enters the ring against Shawn Porter, without having faced any genuine world-rated opposition since his late twenties.

Thoughts?

I think you should comment on size of heavyweights too. Also what about this GGG?

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑05 Nov 2021, 11:38

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 13:06 Here’s a summary of Terence Crawford’s opposition at welterweight prior to the Shawn Porter bout, covering a 51-month timeframe:

• Jeff Horn (rated 5th by The RING):
Was on the receiving end of a controversial hometown decision victory over Hall-of-Famer, Manny Pacquiao. This was the only reason why The RING rated him as the fifth best welterweight on the planet immediately prior to facing Crawford. But prior to that, his sole career highlight was stopping Randall Bailey (a journeyman that had previously suffered eight defeats). After losing to Crawford in one-sided fashion, Jeff Horn returned to Australian domestic level and has since suffered two stoppage defeats to Michael Zerafa and Tim Tszyu.

• Jose Benavidez Jr (unranked):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose career highlight was scoring a decision victory over Mauricio Herrera (an opponent that loses to literally everyone!). Benavidez Jr. seemingly retired from the sport after losing to Crawford.

• Amir Khan (unranked):
An off-form past-his-prime fighter that only enjoyed limited success at welterweight, when he faced Crawford, his only victory at 147lbs during a 47-month time period was when had to get up off the canvas to score a decision victory over the limited gatekeeper Samuel Vargas (a fighter previously KO’d with consummate ease by Errol Spence Jr. and Danny Garcia). The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

• Egidijus Kavaliauskas (rated 9th by The RING):
An unaccomplished unheralded fighter whose sole career highlight was his victory over the European level David Avanesyan. He was recently stopped by Vergil Ortiz Jr.

• Kell Brook (unranked):
An inactive past-his-prime fighter that hadn’t won a fight at 147lbs for 4½ years immediately prior to the Crawford bout. And hadn’t beaten world class opponent for six years and three months. Bob Arum previously claimed that Kell Brook was irrelevant and wasn’t good enough to be on Crawford’s radar. The betting odds for the bout suggested that Crawford was engaging in an horrendous mismatch, which accurately reflected the outcome of the fight.

Terence Crawford will be approaching 34½ years of age when he enters the ring against Shawn Porter, without having faced any genuine world-rated opposition since his late twenties.

Thoughts?

I think you should comment on size of heavyweights too. Also what about this GGG?

Can you think of a fourth topic I could discuss, something I haven't recently covered, whereby merely stating facts would deeply offend the excessively sensitive emotional souls that frequent this forum?

Conveying blatantly obvious facts about Crawford, GGG & the bridgerweight has apparently traumatised a lot of people and it might be time to have some fun discussing something else instead.