Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 09:02
by apollo creed
Well, Carl was a strong fighter and his resume at 168 is far better than Canelo's. Jean Pascal, Kessler, Bute, Abraham, Dirrell, prime Groves are very good wins.
I think Canelo would have a tough fight with Froch.
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Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 09:53
by peter barlow
Joe Calzaghe beats both
Re: Video, "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 10:59
by apollo creed
Maybe. Calzaghe was very good.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 11:35
by Enlightened-One
Canelo’s career highlights at 168lbs:
• Callum Smith
• Billy Joe Saunders
• Caleb Plant
• Rocky Fielding
• Avni Yildirim
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Carl Froch’s career highlights at 168lbs:
• Andre Ward
• Mikkel Kessler (twice)
• Robin Reid
• Jean Pascal
• Jermain Taylor
• Arthur Abraham
• Glen Johnson
• Lucian Bute
• George Groves (twice)
• Andre Dirrell
Therefore, from purely a 168lbs perspective, Carl Froch is a “greater” fighter than Canelo.
Of course, Canelo is the “greater” overall, but through no fault of his own, the Mexican can’t achieve as much as Froch did at 168lbs, because the division isn’t as strong as it was a decade ago.
On a pound-for-pound basis, Canelo beats Froch – this isn’t up for debate.
However, if both men faced each other in their respective primes at 168lbs, the extraordinarily durable, busy, unorthodox and heavy-handed Carl Froch would be a serious threat to Canelo.
There isn’t a name on Canelo’s 168lbs resume that Froch couldn’t beat.
Unlike Anthony Joshua, Carl Froch fought as if he didn’t know how to lose - he always believed he could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, which he had to do on more than one occasion. He always gave a good account of himself.
I thought Froch beat Kessler in their first fight and he was moderately competitive against Andre Ward… and we’ve not seen anything yet from Canelo’s time at 168lbs to suggest the Mexican is on the SOG’s level either.
So I think the deceptively awkward Froch is busy enough to beat Canelo on points, as long as he forces the Mexican to fight, rather than box.
But my opinion is likely to change if Canelo comfortably beats Benavidez and subsequently unifies the 175lbs division, which I believe he’s more than capable of doing.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 12:32
by apollo creed
If Canelo will fight Bivol and Beterbiev next year and he'll beat them in a clear way, then we can make an assumption that he would deal well vs the S6 top guys, Calzaghe and RJJ.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 12:38
by ironbeard
Would be a great fight. I would shade Froch to take it.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 12:41
by squiggy
I don't like saying so, but gun to my head, I reckon Canelo would take Froch on points.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 13:07
by apollo creed
ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 12:38
Would be a great fight. I would shade Froch to take it.
Froch was one tough-awkward deceiving fighter with a long reach and strong as an ox. He was very, very resilient.
I think Canelo would get pummeled. Also Froch fought vs prime tough-strong top opponents that were fighting back too.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 12:38
Would be a great fight. I would shade Froch to take it.
Froch was one tough-awkward deceiving fighter with a long reach and strong as an ox. He was very, very resilient.
I think Canelo would get pummeled. Also Froch fought vs prime tough-strong top opponents that were fighting back too.
Canelo is also tough, awkward, deceiving, strong as an ox, very resilient, with an iron jaw, and lethal power.
It would be a great fight that I believe Froch would win based on getting Canelo’s attention with his own power early and out pointing him in a close but clear decision, or by late TKO.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 13:42
by KiwiRider
Best not to forget Carl knocked George Groves out at Wembley in front of 80,000 people
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 14:32
by apollo creed
KiwiRider wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 13:42
Best not to forget Carl knocked George Groves out at Wembley in front of 80,000 people
Re: Video, "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 14:32
by Thomastearns
peter barlow wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 09:53
Joe Calzaghe beats both
Ha!
Quite true though.
No doubt both Froch and Clenelo are both as tough as they come, but Joe Calzaghe was an artist.
A matador playing with cattle (or if you prefer Mexican beef!).
Re: Video, "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
A matador playing with cattle (or if you prefer Mexican beef!).
..tainted Mexican beef to be more accurate
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 16:43
by Jaywheel
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 11:35
Canelo’s career highlights at 168lbs:
• Callum Smith
• Billy Joe Saunders
• Caleb Plant
• Rocky Fielding
• Avni Yildirim
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Carl Froch’s career highlights at 168lbs:
• Andre Ward
• Mikkel Kessler (twice)
• Robin Reid
• Jean Pascal
• Jermain Taylor
• Arthur Abraham
• Glen Johnson
• Lucian Bute
• George Groves (twice)
• Andre Dirrell
Therefore, from purely a 168lbs perspective, Carl Froch is a “greater” fighter than Canelo.
Of course, Canelo is the “greater” overall, but through no fault of his own, the Mexican can’t achieve as much as Froch did at 168lbs, because the division isn’t as strong as it was a decade ago.
On a pound-for-pound basis, Canelo beats Froch – this isn’t up for debate.
However, if both men faced each other in their respective primes at 168lbs, the extraordinarily durable, busy, unorthodox and heavy-handed Carl Froch would be a serious threat to Canelo.
There isn’t a name on Canelo’s 168lbs resume that Froch couldn’t beat.
Unlike Anthony Joshua, Carl Froch fought as if he didn’t know how to lose - he always believed he could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, which he had to do on more than one occasion. He always gave a good account of himself.
I thought Froch beat Kessler in their first fight and he was moderately competitive against Andre Ward… and we’ve not seen anything yet from Canelo’s time at 168lbs to suggest the Mexican is on the SOG’s level either.
So I think the deceptively awkward Froch is busy enough to beat Canelo on points, as long as he forces the Mexican to fight, rather than box.
But my opinion is likely to change if Canelo comfortably beats Benavidez and subsequently unifies the 175lbs division, which I believe he’s more than capable of doing.
Benavidez.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 17:09
by forcefraser
Canelo is a great fighter, but at 168 he would be schooled by Calzaghe, just like Mayweather schooled him.
Canelo v froch would be a war that canelo just edges
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 22:59
by bobcatbox
Canelo would have smoked Froch in my opinion as a superior boxer, but this is at the top of the list of fantasy fights Id love to see.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 00:38
by p4p1
I like that matchup for Froch. He fought at a time when a few of the top 10-15 SMWs ever were active and had a very respectable record against them. He has an iron chin, is longer, strong, can fight all day and was awkward. I think he either gets to Canelo late in the fight or he gets robbed by the judges.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 03:20
by DrDuke
Froch definitely could give a fight to Canelo, but the Redhead would win. Canelo's technique, speed and reflexes would give him an advantage over the brawler Froch.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 04:00
by apollo creed
Well, lets be honest that Callum (exposed by Ryder) , BJS( poor fights@168) and Plant (softhands) are low level smw's in any era like S6, Calzaghe, RJJ.
Its all hype.
Even the version of Sakio Bika that fought Calzaghe, Bute and Ward would beat these guys.
Bivol, Benavidez, Beterbiev and Joe Smith are the real tests for Canelo.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 04:02
by Lackeos
Froch is a good boxer, but he shouldn't be expected to perform better than Kovalev and Golovkin did. Alvarez would probably beat Froch 8-4.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 04:21
by apollo creed
Lackeos wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 04:02
Froch is a good boxer, but he shouldn't be expected to perform better than Kovalev and Golovkin did. Alvarez would probably beat Froch 8-4.
Kovalev was washed up already, had drinking problems, fought on short notice with a rehydration clause. He wasn't the same Kovalev from Hopkins and Ward 1 fights.
GGG was a good fight but even then G was 35-36 y/o and Canelo was 26/27 y/o. Lara, Trout, Jacobs were younger opponents in their prime years.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Lackeos wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 04:02
Froch is a good boxer, but he shouldn't be expected to perform better than Kovalev and Golovkin did. Alvarez would probably beat Froch 8-4.
Kovalev was washed up already, had drinking problems, fought on short notice with a rehydration clause.
Kovalev didn't take the Canelo bout at short-notice.
Why do you keep conveying a false narrative that even Krusher himself doesn't support?
Do you know more about Sergey's own situation than he does?
Can you not look at two calendar dates and work out the time difference?
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 05:42
by sibbo
Hate to say it, but I think Canelo shades it on points, froch is the bigger, stronger guy, but I just feel that canelo wouldn't have too much trouble finding froch's chin on a regular basis, Where's froch my find Canelo difficult to pin down the way he did with someone like Bute, his size, strength and stamina would make it competitive, but I'll go Canelo points..... I'd take Calzaghe to take a decision over Alvarez though.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 07:40
by H8Usernames
Froch was so shit that he lost to lousy Mikkael Kessler and someone wants to argue that he would have beaten Canelo? Ridiculous.
