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I am pretty disapointed with his loss to Williams and recent performances? He has a lot of limitations, especially in defense, but you cannot defeat Lara if you are B class, are you? What is wrong with him ?

hurd uses his face for defense and i believe drained a lot to make 154

a perfect example of the focus on being 'big and strong' rather than focusing on your skills and polishing your game + ring iq

maybe cutting weight and taking shots finally caught up with him

I believe Lara beat him, or at least drew. But agree it hasn't been going well for him lately
At nearly 6 foot, that's massive for a broad shouldered super welter. I've always wondered how he managed it. Is he a middleweight now?
Have to give credit to Arias though, he really pulled out something after that messy loss to Luke Keeler.

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Jarrett Hurd’s success has been solely reliant on him being a weight bully.

However, almost three years have transpired since he last defeated a world-rated opponent, he’s inactive and now campaigning in a heavier weight class than his own physical prime.

Simply put, he’s a has-been and became a long-time member of the “who needs you?” club a few years ago.

He’s completely irrelevant. We shouldn’t even bother mentioning his name.

He should be blacklisted from the forum.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 21:14 Jarrett Hurd’s success has been solely reliant on him being a weight bully.

However, almost three years have transpired since he last defeated a world-rated opponent, he’s inactive and now campaigning in a heavier weight class than his own physical prime.

Simply put, he’s a has-been and became a long-time member of the “who needs you?” club a few years ago.

He’s completely irrelevant. We shouldn’t even bother mentioning his name.

He should be blacklisted from the forum.

Come on EO.. No one is being black listed from the forum

So he is now a MW?
I wondered if that was a permanent move, or just easier for him to come back to boxing after just over a year out.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 00:29So he is now a MW?
I wondered if that was a permanent move, or just easier for him to come back to boxing after just over a year out.

I'm not sure whether he's permanently made the jump to 160lbs yet or if his most recent bout was simply a one-off, but he's definitely a weight bully, in his thirties that hasn't campaigned at 154lbs for almost two years.

And let’s be honest, renowned weight bullies rarely achieve much during the late stages of their careers, because losing weight gets increasingly challenging as they age.

He's been inactive for more than five months and doesn't have a bout lined-up.

He has only won one fight within the last thirty months, against a journeyman (with only one victory within the last 5½ years).

It's almost impossible for any veteran fighter to avoid declining, when they rarely compete.

His hairdresser ran out of his preferred type of hair dye?

He has drained himself too much and hasn't really got power in his hands, rather being a swarmer.

Stuck between styles

Has no defence and he was never really a LMW. He was basically a LHW in the ring. If he fought in his proper weight category he'd be getting pieced up easily.

you could say all that bout a lot of guys allthru the weight classes up to even light heavy.

that's a bit harsh.

although he defo was a huge fvckin' guy for 154,
he made weight all those years, didn't he?

without any rehydration clauses too, or not?

if 'weight bullying' even is a thing; hurd surely isn't the only one who should be accused of it.

his defensive first approach to boxing didn't & most probably never will qualify him as a fan favourite, but in that department he isn't the only one out there.

adislav123 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 12:17that's a bit harsh.

although he defo was a huge fvckin' guy for 154,
he made weight all those years, didn't he?

without any rehydration clauses too, or not?

if 'weight bullying' even is a thing; hurd surely isn't the only one who should be accused of it.

The six feet tall Jarrett Hurd claimed he ballooned up to 190lbs several weeks after competing in his 154lbs bout against Erislandy Lara – not an ounce of flab.

The following year he claimed he regularly loses roughly 38lbs to make the 154lbs weight limit.

He’s a weight bully!

I’m not saying he’s the only one that does it, because Terence Crawford was renowned for it prior to making the jump to 147lbs.

Either way, Jarrett Hurd is still a weight bully!

Weight bully = Huge guys (for their division) trying to gain an unfair size advantage, by losing and quickly regaining lots of weight, in order to compete in a weight class against naturally smaller men.

Jarrett Hurd = A huge 154lb-er that regularly tries to gain an unfair size advantage, by losing and quickly regaining lots of weight, in order to compete in a weight class against naturally smaller men.

A boxer that loses weight in order to make a stipulated weight to compete in that division. Well I never, amazing. You learn something new every day.
Respect to the big fella for being able to lose so much weight and not drastically weaken himself. Seems he's got his nutrition spot on.
Not as much respect to those little podgy guys he beat who haven't had as much dedication to do the same.

He lost 2 of his last 3 so obviously he is weakening himself. Or he'd have kept on winning surely.

Surely every boxer weakens themselves to some degree when attempting to make weight? I also acknowledge that the older a fighter gets, the more difficult it is for them to lose weight and naturally they end up moving up.
What I am directing my sarcasm towards is the term 'weight bully'. If the guy was so naturally big, then he'd be absolutely killing himself to make the stipulated weight. For him to constantly be able to achieve the required weight, the same weight his opponent has to achieve, and then be termed as having an unfair advantage is a load of crap. He's done the hard work and what was required of him within the rule book, there's nothing unfair about it at all.
What would be unfair and be a correct term for a 'weight bully' would be someone who doesn't bother to make the weight and the fight goes ahead anyway while their opponent has made weight. Or, someone who adds in additional weight stipulations to the contract to further weaken an opponent and turn it to their advantage. It works both ways.

Maybe Hurd just wasn't that great a fighter anyway and just got found out? From what I saw of him, he didn't appear to be that exceptional at what he did and won a title (whilst maintaining his 0) at a time when the division had a bit of a resurgence in interest with Charlo and a few other contenders making it interesting again. He lost and moved up, common for a lot of fighters.

Given his size and weight advantage, is Tyson Fury basically a weight bully?

I think he was a weight bully.
He always looked one or two divisions bigger than his opponent. Not so much in height, though a smidge under 6' is a big super welter, but across the back and shoulders he was huge. Credit to him for making weight, but it must have been a serious undertaking. Outside of the scales, he looked like a LHW.
Modern nutrition and methodology allows guys to massively drain and not fade too much come fight night. I don't recall guys shipping so much weight last century, to me it is a modern thing - off the back of that comes the term weight bully and Hurd epitomises it.
Or at least he did for a time as champion.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 16:24 I think he was a weight bully.
He always looked one or two divisions bigger than his opponent. Not so much in height, though a smidge under 6' is a big super welter, but across the back and shoulders he was huge. Credit to him for making weight, but it must have been a serious undertaking. Outside of the scales, he looked like a LHW.
Modern nutrition and methodology allows guys to massively drain and not fade too much come fight night. I don't recall guys shipping so much weight last century, to me it is a modern thing - off the back of that comes the term weight bully and Hurd epitomises it.
Or at least he did for a time as champion.

However you want to term it though, I don't see how it can be classed as being 'unfair' when it's all done within the rules. His opponents would, I suspect, also all have this modern knowledge of how to cut weight so drastically, no? If so, why are they campaigning in that division against this giant?
The guy he beat for the title, Tony Harrison, was 1 1/2 inches taller than him, although I acknowledge your point that it's not just about height. His swarming/overwhelming style as opposed to a more classic boxer like Charlo, perhaps adds to the term 'bully' being tagged on to him.
His most recent loss was at middleweight in a slippy, rain drenched ring against a guy he was supposed to beat. Perhaps just an anomaly under the circumstances?
Cutting weight has been part of boxing for god knows how long (forever and ever? ), and is a skill in itself. How many titles and cards have been lost on the scales? If they put in the work (fairly) and constantly make the weight, a weight far below your natural walking around weight, then respect that professionalism rather than some OTT shit talk about being blacklisted. I'd rather have a Jarrett Hurd than a lazy but skilled Joan Guzman.

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 16:56

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 16:24 I think he was a weight bully.
He always looked one or two divisions bigger than his opponent. Not so much in height, though a smidge under 6' is a big super welter, but across the back and shoulders he was huge. Credit to him for making weight, but it must have been a serious undertaking. Outside of the scales, he looked like a LHW.
Modern nutrition and methodology allows guys to massively drain and not fade too much come fight night. I don't recall guys shipping so much weight last century, to me it is a modern thing - off the back of that comes the term weight bully and Hurd epitomises it.
Or at least he did for a time as champion.

However you want to term it though, I don't see how it can be classed as being 'unfair' when it's all done within the rules. His opponents would, I suspect, also all have this modern knowledge of how to cut weight so drastically, no? If so, why are they campaigning in that division against this giant?
The guy he beat for the title, Tony Harrison, was 1 1/2 inches taller than him, although I acknowledge your point that it's not just about height. His swarming/overwhelming style as opposed to a more classic boxer like Charlo, perhaps adds to the term 'bully' being tagged on to him.
His most recent loss was at middleweight in a slippy, rain drenched ring against a guy he was supposed to beat. Perhaps just an anomaly under the circumstances?
Cutting weight has been part of boxing for god knows how long (forever and ever? ), and is a skill in itself. How many titles and cards have been lost on the scales? If they put in the work (fairly) and constantly make the weight, a weight far below your natural walking around weight, then respect that professionalism rather than some OTT shit talk about being blacklisted. I'd rather have a Jarrett Hurd than a lazy but skilled Joan Guzman.

I don't think massive weight drain/gain is unfair, even though only fighters with the right guidance and personal around them are able to do it successfully.
It's just a fairly new thing, and I like the name weight bully. It reminds me of the big kid in the playground beating up pip squeaks for their lunch money.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 17:54

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 16:56

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 16:24 I think he was a weight bully.
He always looked one or two divisions bigger than his opponent. Not so much in height, though a smidge under 6' is a big super welter, but across the back and shoulders he was huge. Credit to him for making weight, but it must have been a serious undertaking. Outside of the scales, he looked like a LHW.
Modern nutrition and methodology allows guys to massively drain and not fade too much come fight night. I don't recall guys shipping so much weight last century, to me it is a modern thing - off the back of that comes the term weight bully and Hurd epitomises it.
Or at least he did for a time as champion.

However you want to term it though, I don't see how it can be classed as being 'unfair' when it's all done within the rules. His opponents would, I suspect, also all have this modern knowledge of how to cut weight so drastically, no? If so, why are they campaigning in that division against this giant?
The guy he beat for the title, Tony Harrison, was 1 1/2 inches taller than him, although I acknowledge your point that it's not just about height. His swarming/overwhelming style as opposed to a more classic boxer like Charlo, perhaps adds to the term 'bully' being tagged on to him.
His most recent loss was at middleweight in a slippy, rain drenched ring against a guy he was supposed to beat. Perhaps just an anomaly under the circumstances?
Cutting weight has been part of boxing for god knows how long (forever and ever? ), and is a skill in itself. How many titles and cards have been lost on the scales? If they put in the work (fairly) and constantly make the weight, a weight far below your natural walking around weight, then respect that professionalism rather than some OTT shit talk about being blacklisted. I'd rather have a Jarrett Hurd than a lazy but skilled Joan Guzman.

I don't think massive weight drain/gain is unfair, even though only fighters with the right guidance and personal around them are able to do it successfully.
It's just a fairly new thing, and I like the name weight bully. It reminds me of the big kid in the playground beating up pip squeaks for their lunch money.

Meh. (That's my lack of enthusiasm expression, not me trying to attract you)