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Positives: it’s an improvement.

Based on competition is buys will increase.

Whereas Spence’s buys have declined.

Mikey was the main reason their fight did 400k buys let’s be honest.

Porter usually did good numbers on free tv, Crawford also does decent numbers on ESPN/HBO.

The fact that only a small percentage of those free viewers buy PPV’s is saying something.

Was set at a cheaper price.

Fight 11k fans in attendance.

$13m in revenue for ppv roughly. I believe both purses totalled $10m.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 08:20 Positives: it’s an improvement.

Based on competition is buys will increase.

Whereas Spence’s buys have declined.

Mikey was the main reason their fight did 400k buys let’s be honest.

Porter usually did good numbers on free tv, Crawford also does decent numbers on ESPN/HBO.

The fact that only a small percentage of those free viewers buy PPV’s is saying something.

Was set at a cheaper price.

That buyrate could scupper the Spence Jr. fight if Crawford refuses to be on the B-side:

• Crawford’s PPV buy-rates are dwarfed by Spence Jr's (i.e. Khan [150,000], Postol [55,000] & Porter [190,000] versus Mikey Garcia [375,000], Porter [350,000] & Danny Garcia [250,000])

Also, Crawford's name wasn't the sole reason why people purchased last weekend's PPV, because:

• In 2019, Shawn Porter helped generate more PPV buys than Crawford did (i.e. 300K vs. 150K). And he also generated more non-PPV views during the same calendar year (i.e. peaks: 2.197m vs. 1.512m).

The audience figures for several Shawn Porter bouts at welterweight:

• Porter-Formella peaked at 1.225m and averaged 1.077m viewers.
• Porter-Ugas peaked at 2.197m and averaged 2.142m viewers.
• Porter-Spence Jr. generated 300K PPV buys.
• Porter-Thurman peaked at 3.94m and averaged 2.4m viewers.
• Porter-Broner peaked at 3m and averaged 2.33m viewers.

Bud previously wanted the lion’s share of the purse pot to face Spence Jr. But the numbers fail to justify his lofty demands.

if bud/spence doesn't get made cause they can't agree on a split? i don't think so. that would be borderline retarded.

it's the fight fans wanna see.

they would both generate their highest ppv number.

both would be the biggest name on the other one's record.

both would make career high money.

if they can't agree on 50/50, both are idiots.

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:55 if they can't agree on 50/50, both are idiots.

Right, but something tells me they won't. Probably Spence will decide to move up. Lewis-Bowe of the welterweight?

That would be very disapointing i imagine. Bad for craw whos now a free agent, if ever you want a good showing it was last weekend. crawfords first meaningfull fight in 5 years... no boxing competition, the UFC show on was a womens main even weekest clash iv seen, dont know about other sport in the USA. Thought this would do at least 300k.

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:01

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:55 if they can't agree on 50/50, both are idiots.

Right, but something tells me they won't. Probably Spence will decide to move up. Lewis-Bowe of the welterweight?

Are you saying that Spence Jr. should be charitable and take a pay cut to fight Terence Crawford?

Is Errol Spence Jr. entirely to blame for Crawford’s poor viewing figures?

The bottom line: you seriously believe that any fighter that refuses to take a pay cut is a coward?

Have you ever willingly agreed to accept a pay cut, due to perceived “bravery”?

In your alternate universe, do you pay your monthly bills using bravery?

Anyway, you won’t answer those questions.

If Crawford refuses to be the B-side against Spence Jr., the fight won’t get made.

dudes dont want it bad enough to fight each other is how it often seems with these 2

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:45 dudes dont want it bad enough to fight each other is how it often seems with these 2

Yeh. Spence has never actually said he wants to fight him or being been serious about it.

But then again, those PBC boys stick together as well.

Pretty sure if Bud was at PBC or Spence wasn’t with PBC, we’d had seen it already.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:18

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:01

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:55 if they can't agree on 50/50, both are idiots.

Right, but something tells me they won't. Probably Spence will decide to move up. Lewis-Bowe of the welterweight?

Are you saying that Spence Jr. should be charitable and take a pay cut to fight Terence Crawford?

Is Errol Spence Jr. entirely to blame for Crawford’s poor viewing figures?

The bottom line: you seriously believe that any fighter that refuses to take a pay cut is a coward?

Have you ever willingly agreed to accept a pay cut, due to perceived “bravery”?

In your alternate universe, do you pay your monthly bills using bravery?

Anyway, you won’t answer those questions.

If Crawford refuses to be the B-side against Spence Jr., the fight won’t get made.

If Spence doesn't take the Crawford bout, he will leave himself without the most profittable bout at that division. Who on earth was talking bravery here?

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:18

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:01

Right, but something tells me they won't. Probably Spence will decide to move up. Lewis-Bowe of the welterweight?

Are you saying that Spence Jr. should be charitable and take a pay cut to fight Terence Crawford?

Is Errol Spence Jr. entirely to blame for Crawford’s poor viewing figures?

The bottom line: you seriously believe that any fighter that refuses to take a pay cut is a coward?

Have you ever willingly agreed to accept a pay cut, due to perceived “bravery”?

In your alternate universe, do you pay your monthly bills using bravery?

Anyway, you won’t answer those questions.

If Crawford refuses to be the B-side against Spence Jr., the fight won’t get made.

If Spence doesn't take the Crawford bout, he will leave himself without the most profittable bout at that division. Who on earth was talking bravery here?

What’s a bigger number?

50% of 450K or 70% of 350K

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:01

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:55 if they can't agree on 50/50, both are idiots.

Right, but something tells me they won't. Probably Spence will decide to move up. Lewis-Bowe of the welterweight?

Khan Brook of whatever weight?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 17:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:18
Are you saying that Spence Jr. should be charitable and take a pay cut to fight Terence Crawford?

Is Errol Spence Jr. entirely to blame for Crawford’s poor viewing figures?

The bottom line: you seriously believe that any fighter that refuses to take a pay cut is a coward?

Have you ever willingly agreed to accept a pay cut, due to perceived “bravery”?

In your alternate universe, do you pay your monthly bills using bravery?

Anyway, you won’t answer those questions.

If Crawford refuses to be the B-side against Spence Jr., the fight won’t get made.

If Spence doesn't take the Crawford bout, he will leave himself without the most profittable bout at that division. Who on earth was talking bravery here?

What’s a bigger number?

50% of 450K or 70% of 350K

get a grip enlightened one!

your breakdown of the numbers was meticulous yet meaningless, irrefutable yet irrelevant.



your condescending add on questionnaire is pure nonsense!

nobody's got a clue what you're rattling on about!

it's easy, if you are just talking to yourself, you can keep it to yourself!

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 18:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 17:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 15:51

If Spence doesn't take the Crawford bout, he will leave himself without the most profittable bout at that division. Who on earth was talking bravery here?

What’s a bigger number?

50% of 450K or 70% of 350K

get a grip enlightened one!

your breakdown of the numbers was meticulous yet meaningless, irrefutable yet irrelevant.



your condescending add on questionnaire is pure nonsense!

nobody's got a clue what you're rattling on about!

it's easy, if you are just talking to yourself, you can keep it to yourself!

Is that your way of admitting to being unable to perform simple fourth grade mathematical calculations that children typically learn between the ages of 8 and 10?

Kinda sad how low it is.

skanksta wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 18:50 Kinda sad how low it is.

Would have done easily over 2m on ESPN or FOX.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 18:43

adislav123 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 18:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 17:26
What’s a bigger number?

50% of 450K or 70% of 350K

get a grip enlightened one!

your breakdown of the numbers was meticulous yet meaningless, irrefutable yet irrelevant.



your condescending add on questionnaire is pure nonsense!

nobody's got a clue what you're rattling on about!

it's easy, if you are just talking to yourself, you can keep it to yourself!

Is that your way of admitting to being unable to perform simple fourth grade mathematical calculations that children typically learn between the ages of 8 and 10?

He'll be sweet once they get the Lego out of his nostril

Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

So you’re saying that people that normally refuse to watch your bouts… or have never even seen you compete… are suddenly going to tune in?

So there’s no such thing as brand recognition then?

So does this also mean that the millions around the world that normally watch Canelo compete, would suddenly stop tuning in if he engaged in an uncompetitive matchup?

The Spence-Crawford bout will do decent numbers, because both men have a following, but the majority of observers will be watching the fight because they’ve already been following Errol, which is the reason why he’s the proverbial A-side.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

Very true.

Opponents matter.

Canelo didn’t break the 1m mark after fighting FMJ, up until he fought GGG.

Came close when he fought Cotto.

GGG was doing less than 250k for his PPV.

Canelo needed GGG just as much as the other way around in this case.

It’s a fight we all wanted to see.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 04:27

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

So you’re saying that people that normally refuse to watch your bouts… or have never even seen you compete… are suddenly going to tune in?

So there’s no such thing as brand recognition then?

So does this also mean that the millions around the world that normally watch Canelo compete, would suddenly stop tuning in if he engaged in an uncompetitive matchup?

Over 4m PAID for FMJ-Pac..

Then the very next fight which was marked as his FINAL pro fight at the time, against Berto, surely that would have done 1m buys as well right?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 04:27

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

So you’re saying that people that normally refuse to watch your bouts… or have never even seen you compete… are suddenly going to tune in?

So there’s no such thing as brand recognition then?

So does this also mean that the millions around the world that normally watch Canelo compete, would suddenly stop tuning in if he engaged in an uncompetitive matchup?

No, I'm not saying that.

Do you believe, that it's possibe to count people aware of a fighter only by his PPV numbers?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 04:29

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

Very true.

Opponents matter.

Canelo didn’t break the 1m mark after fighting FMJ, up until he fought GGG.

Came close when he fought Cotto.

GGG was doing less than 250k for his PPV.

Canelo needed GGG just as much as the other way around in this case.

It’s a fight we all wanted to see.

You have just provided examples of bouts to illustrate my point…

Floyd Mayweather Jr. was the A-side against Manny Pacquiao.

Canelo was the A-side against GGG.

The reason why both of these guys were the A-side, is because they traditionally attracted bigger commercial numbers and they knew people would tune in to see them either win or lose.

You could even argue that both of these A-side fighters, which are loathed by the masses, needed to face a dangerous opponent in order to persuade their haters to tune in to finally watch them lose.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 04:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 04:27

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 03:42 Neither of them can be a bigger draw, because it's not determined alone on PPV numbers, since it's sports, not broking or something. Spence fought against more marketable opponents, that's why he got more views. Yet people will buy Spence-Crawford not because of Spence, they'll buy it because it's a fight of the two evenly matched fighters for #1 place at the welterweight division.

So you’re saying that people that normally refuse to watch your bouts… or have never even seen you compete… are suddenly going to tune in?

So there’s no such thing as brand recognition then?

So does this also mean that the millions around the world that normally watch Canelo compete, would suddenly stop tuning in if he engaged in an uncompetitive matchup?

No, I'm not saying that.

Do you believe, that it's possibe to count people aware of a fighter only by his PPV numbers?

Die-hard boxing aficionados only account for a very small portion of viewers.

And if you’re claiming a lot of casuals are aware of Crawford, but haven’t been tuning in, then what’s the reason for this?

Like I keep saying, Crawford-Spence Jr. will do very decent numbers, but they won’t be huge.

And the majority of people who’ll tune in, will be doing so because they’ve previously watched Errol’s bouts.

The commercial numbers (or financial track-record) mean something and are used to negotiate terms.