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What make boxers great. We saw many great fighters, past and present with flaws in their games. But i am convinced boxer need one thing to become real elite. Thing you cannot teach. Ability to take a punishment. Chin, toughness or whatever you wanna call it. You simply cannot be great if you cannot take a beating IMO

Edit: Ive wrote that little idiotic ....boxer need many more things to become great....but this one thing is MUST HAVE for him

Yep, if you’re at that elite level you will cop a few shots. If you can’t take it, you won’t get there.

who were the best chinny fighters?

That's right, chin and the overall durability is very important.

There would be no Ali, if Moo wasn't able to take all that stuff. If he somehow survived all those Doug Jonses, Chuvalos and Bonavenas, he still would be crippled after Frazier without the durability. But somehow he was able to take it all.

There would be no Frazier, if Smokin' Joe wasn't be able to take several punches in order to deliver a more lethal left hook. The would be no Thrilla in Manila, if Frazier wasn't enough tough to overcome what Foreman had done to him.

There would be no Holyfield, if this guy wasn't able to trade bombs with all those Bowes, Mercers, Tysons.

Tommy Morrison could be the second Mike Tyson, if he didn't have vulnerabilities, which were used by Mercer or Bentt, who were less gifted.

Sometimes it's possible to hide a shaky chin, like Tommy Hearns or Wlad Klitschko did, but it's not that easy and even they weren't able to do it all time.

It's the fighting game, so you must take a punch, if you want to be successful. Chin and toughness are extremely important.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Khan... if you gave him a granite chin would of been a 10 year world champ.

Would price of won a world title if he had Joe Joyce chin? very likely, although mabey his stamina would of cost him if he ever made it late rounds...

I think AJ is a bit chinny.
Not an ATG career, but not a bad one either.
If he gets past Uysk you could say his career is pretty decent. The best of a weak era.

It's possible to mention among the chinny greats the likes of Floyd Patterson, Tommy Hearns, Wladimir Klitschko.

It's necessary to mention among other good and successful, but chinny fighter the likes of Michael Moorer and Tommy Morrison.

Roy Jones is an interesting case. He was untouchable, but when his reflexes were gone, he started to get iced time after time.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Some who come to mind: RJJ, Wlad, Lennox Lewis, David Haye, Lucian Bute, Amir Khan, Yuri Gamboa

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Hearns

Lackeos wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 08:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Some who come to mind: RJJ, Wlad, Lennox Lewis, David Haye, Lucian Bute, Amir Khan, Yuri Gamboa

Lewis wasn't chinny. He was down only twice, when he was stopped. He took good punches and overcame adversity against Bruno, Mercer, Mavrovic, Briggs, Holyfield, Tua, Klitschko.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:22 What make boxers great. We saw many great fighters, past and present with flaws in their games. But i am convinced boxer need one thing to become real elite. Thing you cannot teach. Ability to take a punishment. Chin, toughness or whatever you wanna call it. You simply cannot be great if you cannot take a beating IMO

Edit: Ive wrote that little idiotic ....boxer need many more things to become great....but this one thing is MUST HAVE for him

The toughest chin is the one that doesn't get hit.

Nicolino Locche, Pernell Whitaker, Floyd Mayweather Jr. etc.

Being hard to hit was their biggest asset.

Their opponents rarely committed to their shots, because they thought they weren't going to land.

And whenever their opponents let their hands go, those few punches that did land, these guys knew how to ride the blows and take all the power out of them.

Prime versions of Mike McCallum and James Toney weren’t quite as defensive as the aforementioned names, but their ability to ride shots and avoid punishment was utterly sublime.

If a fighter’s “toughness” is regularly tested, then they’re doing something wrong, and perhaps they’re not that great after all!

gregregegg wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:58

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Khan... if you gave him a granite chin would of been a 10 year world champ.

Would price of won a world title if he had Joe Joyce chin? very likely, although mabey his stamina would of cost him if he ever made it late rounds...

Apparently, David Price was a beast in sparring, pummelling the likes of Dereck Chisora, Tony Bellew and David Haye.

And he was a pretty darn good amateur too (beating the likes of Tyson Fury and Christian Hammer).

It’s just that when he progressed to engaging in meaningful bouts in the paid ranks (in front of the TV cameras), he seemed to lose confidence and burned so much nervous energy that he was simply exhausted after a few rounds.

So I think David Price’s flaws were less about his chin and more to do with his fear or being excessively nervous.

Of course he made some fundamental mistakes too, but I feel some of them could have been the direct result of exhaustion or just being far too anxious.

Roy jones

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 11:23

gregregegg wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:58

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Khan... if you gave him a granite chin would of been a 10 year world champ.

Would price of won a world title if he had Joe Joyce chin? very likely, although mabey his stamina would of cost him if he ever made it late rounds...

Apparently, David Price was a beast in sparring, pummelling the likes of Dereck Chisora, Tony Bellew and David Haye.

And he was a pretty darn good amateur too (beating the likes of Tyson Fury and Christian Hammer).

It’s just that when he progressed to engaging in meaningful bouts in the paid ranks (in front of the TV cameras), he seemed to lose confidence and burned so much nervous energy that he was simply exhausted after a few rounds.

So I think David Price’s flaws were less about his chin and more to do with his fear or being excessively nervous.

Of course he made some fundamental mistakes too, but I feel some of them could have been the direct result of exhaustion or just being far too anxious.

Mabey he was nervouse because he knew he could get sparked out at any moment. his stamina seemed to get far worse after the KOs begain.

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:34

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 11:23

gregregegg wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:58

Khan... if you gave him a granite chin would of been a 10 year world champ.

Would price of won a world title if he had Joe Joyce chin? very likely, although mabey his stamina would of cost him if he ever made it late rounds...

Apparently, David Price was a beast in sparring, pummelling the likes of Dereck Chisora, Tony Bellew and David Haye.

And he was a pretty darn good amateur too (beating the likes of Tyson Fury and Christian Hammer).

It’s just that when he progressed to engaging in meaningful bouts in the paid ranks (in front of the TV cameras), he seemed to lose confidence and burned so much nervous energy that he was simply exhausted after a few rounds.

So I think David Price’s flaws were less about his chin and more to do with his fear or being excessively nervous.

Of course he made some fundamental mistakes too, but I feel some of them could have been the direct result of exhaustion or just being far too anxious.

Mabey he was nervouse because he knew he could get sparked out at any moment. his stamina seemed to get far worse after the KOs begain.

Of course, it must be an ordeal getting KO'd in front of a large television audience. And he kept getting criticised for it. He probably didn't want to keep going through that trauma.

So the pressure mounted and probably got the better of him, leading to an inevitable decline, making him even more nervous every time he faced a half-decent opponent.

It was just a terrible downward spiral.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:40

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:34

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 11:23
Apparently, David Price was a beast in sparring, pummelling the likes of Dereck Chisora, Tony Bellew and David Haye.

And he was a pretty darn good amateur too (beating the likes of Tyson Fury and Christian Hammer).

It’s just that when he progressed to engaging in meaningful bouts in the paid ranks (in front of the TV cameras), he seemed to lose confidence and burned so much nervous energy that he was simply exhausted after a few rounds.

So I think David Price’s flaws were less about his chin and more to do with his fear or being excessively nervous.

Of course he made some fundamental mistakes too, but I feel some of them could have been the direct result of exhaustion or just being far too anxious.

Mabey he was nervouse because he knew he could get sparked out at any moment. his stamina seemed to get far worse after the KOs begain.

Of course, it must be an ordeal getting KO'd in front of a large television audience. And he kept getting criticised for it. He probably didn't want to keep going through that trauma.

So the pressure mounted and probably got the better of him, leading to an inevitable decline, making him even more nervous every time he faced a half-decent opponent.

It was just a terrible downward spiral.

The big question for me is would world champion pricey of been likeable. It seems like such a sad spiral because Big truck price is an absolute legend of a person and seems like he deserves more. But, Battling makes legends, would he still of been a top bloke if he was a world champ with a bunch of yes men around him.

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:40

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:34

Mabey he was nervouse because he knew he could get sparked out at any moment. his stamina seemed to get far worse after the KOs begain.

Of course, it must be an ordeal getting KO'd in front of a large television audience. And he kept getting criticised for it. He probably didn't want to keep going through that trauma.

So the pressure mounted and probably got the better of him, leading to an inevitable decline, making him even more nervous every time he faced a half-decent opponent.

It was just a terrible downward spiral.

The big question for me is would world champion pricey of been likeable. It seems like such a sad spiral because Big truck price is an absolute legend of a person and seems like he deserves more. But, Battling makes legends, would he still of been a top bloke if he was a world champ with a bunch of yes men around him.

I don't really know.

Too much confidence can often make someone unlikeable, but it’s also an emotion that prevents insecurities and anxiousness.

David Price is a humble guy and I like seeing him being interviewed with his buddies, Tony Bellew and Dereck Chisora.

Even Big John Fury likes the guy and gets on with him.

Before Pricey officially announced his retirement, he was jogging daily with Tyson whilst The Gypsy King’s baby was in hospital in Liverpool… and they were once huge rivals.

David is a humble guy and it’s part of the reason why I like him, but I’m not sure if his modesty was caused by a lack of self-esteem, meaning he didn’t really believe in himself enough to prevent feeling so anxious prior to fights.

Like I said before, anybody that’s sparred with Pricey thinks he’s a beast in sparring – a completely different animal than the version of the man we kept seeing KO’d.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:58

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:40
Of course, it must be an ordeal getting KO'd in front of a large television audience. And he kept getting criticised for it. He probably didn't want to keep going through that trauma.

So the pressure mounted and probably got the better of him, leading to an inevitable decline, making him even more nervous every time he faced a half-decent opponent.

It was just a terrible downward spiral.

The big question for me is would world champion pricey of been likeable. It seems like such a sad spiral because Big truck price is an absolute legend of a person and seems like he deserves more. But, Battling makes legends, would he still of been a top bloke if he was a world champ with a bunch of yes men around him.

I don't really know.

Too much confidence can often make someone unlikeable, but it’s also an emotion that prevents insecurities and anxiousness.

David Price is a humble guy and I like seeing him being interviewed with his buddies, Tony Bellew and Dereck Chisora.

Even Big John Fury likes the guy and gets on with him.

Before Pricey officially announced his retirement, he was jogging daily with Tyson whilst The Gypsy King’s baby was in hospital in Liverpool… and they were once huge rivals.

David is a humble guy and it’s part of the reason why I like him, but I’m not sure if his modesty was caused by a lack of self-esteem, meaning he didn’t really believe in himself enough to prevent feeling so anxious prior to fights.

Like I said before, anybody that’s sparred with Pricey thinks he’s a beast in sparring – a completely different animal than the version of the man we kept seeing KO’d.

Let's not forget that Fury vacated the British title at the last minute rather than face Price. Not even the chance to avenge a previous defeat could deter him.

As we know confidence plays a huge part in sport and once David lost his, he was in trouble.

A similar thing happened to Bruno previously, but Frank managed to seize greatness by persisting.

Until he met Mike Tyson for the second time in what was a predictable matchup.

That fight was a disaster for Bruno and not much better for Mike who seemed to be lulled into false confidence thereafter.

When David Price is confident he's as good as any heavyweight today.

Even when he's not, you'd best take care as Povetkin found out.

I expect confidence, or the lack of it, is a huge part of why we never get to see certain matchups nowadys.

That, and a burning desire to squeeze every possible cent out of every contract.

Some of these current prima Donnas will no doubt soon be expecting their would be opponents to fight for free or even pay for the privilege of securing a challenge.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:58

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:40
Of course, it must be an ordeal getting KO'd in front of a large television audience. And he kept getting criticised for it. He probably didn't want to keep going through that trauma.

So the pressure mounted and probably got the better of him, leading to an inevitable decline, making him even more nervous every time he faced a half-decent opponent.

It was just a terrible downward spiral.

The big question for me is would world champion pricey of been likeable. It seems like such a sad spiral because Big truck price is an absolute legend of a person and seems like he deserves more. But, Battling makes legends, would he still of been a top bloke if he was a world champ with a bunch of yes men around him.

I don't really know.

Too much confidence can often make someone unlikeable, but it’s also an emotion that prevents insecurities and anxiousness.

David Price is a humble guy and I like seeing him being interviewed with his buddies, Tony Bellew and Dereck Chisora.

Even Big John Fury likes the guy and gets on with him.

Before Pricey officially announced his retirement, he was jogging daily with Tyson whilst The Gypsy King’s baby was in hospital in Liverpool… and they were once huge rivals.

David is a humble guy and it’s part of the reason why I like him, but I’m not sure if his modesty was caused by a lack of self-esteem, meaning he didn’t really believe in himself enough to prevent feeling so anxious prior to fights.

Like I said before, anybody that’s sparred with Pricey thinks he’s a beast in sparring – a completely different animal than the version of the man we kept seeing KO’d.

yea saw price with john it was very good seems a top lad, funny how both remembered so much , i think self doubt might have even when he talked of being scared seing john when fighting tyson as a kid

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 10:16

Lackeos wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 08:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2021, 14:38 who were the best chinny fighters?

Some who come to mind: RJJ, Wlad, Lennox Lewis, David Haye, Lucian Bute, Amir Khan, Yuri Gamboa

Lewis wasn't chinny. He was down only twice, when he was stopped. He took good punches and overcame adversity against Bruno, Mercer, Mavrovic, Briggs, Holyfield, Tua, Klitschko.

I was going to say something like that but you beat me to it. The McCall stoppage was questionable and he took a huge flush right hand against Rahman. He didn't have a granite chin like Holyfield or Ali, but it certainly wasn't glass. I recently rewatched his last fight against Vitali - he too plenty of leather in that fight, got wobbled a couple of times but never went down.