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A $10 million purse demand by WBC mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte is not sitting well with promoter Bob Arum, who co-promotes WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury. “We have offered him a deal with 25 percent and a guarantee and let him negotiate from that, but again he says he wants eight-figures, over ten million, which is out of the question. I don’t know what he is talking about,” Arum told IFL TV. “The WBC will be talking about 25 percent and 75 percent for the champion but he needs to come to the table with a normal type of negotiation.”

With Whyte currently tied up in an arbitration proceeding with the WBC, Arum stated that Andy Ruiz and Robert Helenius are “the two principal guys” he and allegedly are considering as Fury’s next challenger. - fightnews

Every offer befor WBC determine the splits will be very 1 sided. It’s all a joke until then. Don’t see why they are waiting it’s kinda urgent, determine the splits this week, put a purse bid date late jan, and let the real negotiations start.

25% does sound like the correct percentage. Robert Helenius and Andy Ruiz sounds like the wrong opponents, what ever happened to Joe Joyce?

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 19:18 25% does sound like the correct percentage. Robert Helenius and Andy Ruiz sounds like the wrong opponents, what ever happened to Joe Joyce?

Joe Joyce is too credible.
You can bet the farm I ain't paying to watch either Helenius or fat Andy...

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 19:18 25% does sound like the correct percentage. Robert Helenius and Andy Ruiz sounds like the wrong opponents, what ever happened to Joe Joyce?

Joe has a busted wrist. But fury had already bitched out of that option before. Big joe is a tough fight.

If it is a stadium fight in London and PPV I see no reason why $10,000,000 should be a problem for Whyte.

According to the WBC rules, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% split of the purse pot.

In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.

Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have both rejected bouts against Dillian Whyte.

And if we excluded the PPV buy-rates for the Fury-Wilder trilogy from the equation, then Dillian Whyte has generated far more PPV revenue than Deontay and Tyson combined.

Put it this way, I feel that Fury beats Whyte, but Dillian is a gigantic risk, providing inadequate reward, which is the reason why Top Rank don't want to make the fight.

It was recently claimed that Tyson Fury could earn a $70m payday to face Anthony Joshua, but Top Rank only wants to pay $5m to Dillian Whyte.

Am I the only person that recognises the absurd disparity of those figures? If Fury fought Whyte in the UK, it would fill a 60K stadium!

Simply put, Top Rank are low-balling Dillian Whyte... and this is the second time 'The Gypsy King' has ducked 'The Bodysnatcher!'

Man if only an honest company like pbc were promoting

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:16 Man if only an honest company like pbc were promoting

OK, I'm a huge fan of your humour.

But to test your boxing knowledge, do you really feel that Dillian Whyte deserves less than $5m (or 20%) to face Tyson Fury?

Just to clarify, I don't want you to express your "feelings", because I'm only interested in your thoughts about the actual facts.

A gentle reminder, according to the WBC's rules, Dillian Whyte deserves to receive a 45% purse split, but Top Rank only wants to pay him 20% ($5m), which is less than what 'The Bodysnatcher' received for the Chisora rematch!

Surely you’re not seriously suggesting that Dillian Whyte should willingly take a pay cut in order to receive the opportunity of gaining the proverbial keys to the kingdom?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:38

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:16 Man if only an honest company like pbc were promoting

OK, I'm a huge fan of your humour.

But to test your boxing knowledge, do you really feel that Dillian Whyte deserves less than $5m (or 20%) to face Tyson Fury?

Just to clarify, I don't want you to express your "feelings", because I'm only interested in your thoughts about the actual facts.

A gentle reminder, according to the WBC's rules, Dillian Whyte deserves to receive a 45% purse split, but Top Rank only wants to pay him 20% ($5m), which is less than what 'The Bodysnatcher' received for the Chisora rematch!

Surely you’re not seriously suggesting that Dillian Whyte should willingly take a pay cut in order to receive the opportunity of gaining the proverbial keys to the kingdom?

I dont care how much he makes. I really dont. Deserves is an arbitrary word. You get what you can negotiate.

I hope he gets the fight. I want to watch it.

Further EO i never get worked up over news like this. These media negotiations are a tactic, one that top rank uses all the time. Its to put pressure on whyte - its business

Of course top rank knows the rules.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:09 According to the WBC rules, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% split of the purse pot.

In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.

Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have both rejected bouts against Dillian Whyte.

And if we excluded the PPV buy-rates for the Fury-Wilder trilogy from the equation, then Dillian Whyte has generated far more PPV revenue than Deontay and Tyson combined.

Put it this way, I feel that Fury beats Whyte, but Dillian is a gigantic risk, providing inadequate reward, which is the reason why Top Rank don't want to make the fight.

It was recently claimed that Tyson Fury could earn a $70m payday to face Anthony Joshua, but Top Rank only wants to pay $5m to Dillian Whyte.

Am I the only person that recognises the absurd disparity of those figures? If Fury fought Whyte in the UK, it would fill a 60K stadium!

Simply put, Top Rank are low-balling Dillian Whyte... and this is the second time 'The Gypsy King' has ducked 'The Bodysnatcher!'

The thing is it's all more complicate than that and it's largely the WBCs fault. It's a negotation where both sides are going to want their highest share. Eddie Hearn himself has admitted he wants 45% but the share could be anywhere from 25-45% depending on any WBC ruling. The WBC are making Whyte wait because Whyte is sueing them through an arbitration. If the WBC came out and ruled on the purse split it would be a much simpler fight to make.

Now Whyte is asking for £10m guaranteed and more after the PPVs. Bare in mind Wilder was only on a $4m guaranteed for the Fury fight. So yes maybe Whyte should get £10m if they sell 1m PPVs in the UK but as a guarantee it's a bit much.

From Arum and Warren's management perspective there is that 75m-100m unification fight and Whyte is a potential banana skin that could scupper that one.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:09 In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.

Also love the framing Fury hasn't fought anyone in the UK in a serious fight since be beat Wlad. Hardly a barometer of drawing power. The Klit/Wilder did higher UK PPVs than Whyte's ever done, including the AJ fight. And to add Fury's last 3 PPV fights did a combined total of over 2.2 million buys. Fury's next fight is likely PPV in the US whether it's Whyte or Ruiz. Whyte's next fight won't be PPV stateside unless it's Fury/AJ

WBC: Fury gets 80/20 split in purse bid

If no agreement is reached between WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury and mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte by January 11, the WBC will hold a purse bid with Fury taking an 80-20 split. The Whyte camp was pushing for a 55/45 split. Promoter Bob Arum stated a 75/25 offer was on the table. If still available after the WBC’s ruling, this seems to be Whyte’s best bet. - fightnews

Las Vegas boxing guy wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 10:50 WBC: Fury gets 80/20 split in purse bid

If no agreement is reached between WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury and mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte by January 11, the WBC will hold a purse bid with Fury taking an 80-20 split. The Whyte camp was pushing for a 55/45 split. Promoter Bob Arum stated a 75/25 offer was on the table. If still available after the WBC’s ruling, this seems to be Whyte’s best bet. - fightnews

Fury got lucky with this split.
I'd let it go to purse bid if it was me

According to the WBC’s own rules, as the interim champion, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% purse split.

If Dillian Whyte was only a mandatory challenger, he’d be entitled to 30%.

The WBC have broken their own rules, which is pretty bad, but it’s made worse by the fact that Dillian Whyte has already headlined several PPV events against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin (twice).

Top Rank has dictated terms to the WBC… and Mauricio Sulaiman’s commercial bias has resulted in the WBC breaking their own rules!

Dillian Whyte is the WBC interim champion, has already been ducked by Tyson Fury once in a WBC-mandated bout, and was initially installed as the WBC’s number one contender during November 2017. He’s been waiting for a world title shot since then.

Dillian Whyte has has been paying the WBC 3% sanctioning fees more than four years, engaged in numerous title eliminators, became the WBC's highest-rated fighter, previously held mandatory challenger status and also captured the WBC international, silver, interim and diamond straps.

Dillian Whyte will file a lawsuit against the WBC.

Is Dillian Whyte the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

And can the WBC avoid bankruptcy if Dillian successfully contests his claims via court?

The situation is just a fûckîng disgrace!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 22:59 According to the WBC’s own rules, as the interim champion, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% purse split.

If Dillian Whyte was only a mandatory challenger, he’d be entitled to 30%.

The WBC have broken their own rules, which is pretty bad, but it’s made worse by the fact that Dillian Whyte has already headlined several PPV events against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin (twice).

Top Rank has dictated terms to the WBC… and Mauricio Sulaiman’s commercial bias has resulted in the WBC breaking their own rules!

Dillian Whyte is the WBC interim champion, has already been ducked by Tyson Fury once in a WBC-mandated bout, and was initially installed as the WBC’s number one contender during November 2017. He’s been waiting for a world title shot since then.

Dillian Whyte has has been paying the WBC 3% sanctioning fees more than four years, engaged in numerous title eliminators, became the WBC's highest-rated fighter, previously held mandatory challenger status and also captured the WBC international, silver, interim and diamond straps.

Dillian Whyte will file a lawsuit against the WBC.

Is Dillian Whyte the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

And can the WBC avoid bankruptcy if Dillian successfully contests his claims via court?

The situation is just a fûckîng disgrace!

It gets so tricky, im flicking through there rules, and for one it basicaly says "WBC can do whatever they want" as a rule, so that kind of covers them.... But then it says they can modify splits how they see fit... but then it says splits can only be modified to 60-40 or 45-55 or in rare cases 50-50 (which conflicts there they can do what they want with splits clause)..

Interestingly flicking through there own rematch rules criteria whyte vs povetkin II probably shouldent of been sanctioned by the WBC.

Its a shit show thats for sure. really thought they would go with a 70-30, think that would of got the fight on smoothly.

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 00:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 22:59 According to the WBC’s own rules, as the interim champion, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% purse split.

If Dillian Whyte was only a mandatory challenger, he’d be entitled to 30%.

The WBC have broken their own rules, which is pretty bad, but it’s made worse by the fact that Dillian Whyte has already headlined several PPV events against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin (twice).

Top Rank has dictated terms to the WBC… and Mauricio Sulaiman’s commercial bias has resulted in the WBC breaking their own rules!

Dillian Whyte is the WBC interim champion, has already been ducked by Tyson Fury once in a WBC-mandated bout, and was initially installed as the WBC’s number one contender during November 2017. He’s been waiting for a world title shot since then.

Dillian Whyte has has been paying the WBC 3% sanctioning fees more than four years, engaged in numerous title eliminators, became the WBC's highest-rated fighter, previously held mandatory challenger status and also captured the WBC international, silver, interim and diamond straps.

Dillian Whyte will file a lawsuit against the WBC.

Is Dillian Whyte the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

And can the WBC avoid bankruptcy if Dillian successfully contests his claims via court?

The situation is just a fûckîng disgrace!

It gets so tricky, im flicking through there rules, and for one it basicaly says "WBC can do whatever they want" as a rule, so that kind of covers them.... But then it says they can modify splits how they see fit... but then it says splits can only be modified to 60-40 or 45-55 or in rare cases 50-50 (which conflicts there they can do what they want with splits clause)..

Interestingly flicking through there own rematch rules criteria whyte vs povetkin II probably shouldent of been sanctioned by the WBC.

Its a shit show thats for sure. really thought they would go with a 70-30, think that would of got the fight on smoothly.

The WBC’s rules in regards to purse splits are pretty clear.

Yes, I appreciate the existence of the “discretion” caveat, but the argument for Whyte to only receive 20% is extraordinarily weak.

If Whyte files a lawsuit against the WBC for their conduct, I think he’ll win it.

Top Rank are basically trying to hold the WBC to ransom, by saying that they either fulfill their demands or Fury vacates.

Mauricio Sulaiman caved into Arum’s demands, which has resulted in Dillian being low-balled in order to discourage him from taking the fight on those terms.

Dillian Whyte is definitely the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

If Fury does decide to simply vacate the WBC belt most of this becomes irrelevant.
Whatever a court orders the WBC to do only matters if you hold the WBC belt or are fighting for it.
For the Fury camp vacating said belt before any court decision happens removes both the WBC and the court from the equation.
Having the WBC is nice but Fury certainly doesn't need it to make money and the WBC cannot stop any boxer from vacating at any time.
Fair or unfair Fury is in the driver's seat here and that's not going to change.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 01:32

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 00:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 22:59 According to the WBC’s own rules, as the interim champion, Dillian Whyte is entitled to a 45% purse split.

If Dillian Whyte was only a mandatory challenger, he’d be entitled to 30%.

The WBC have broken their own rules, which is pretty bad, but it’s made worse by the fact that Dillian Whyte has already headlined several PPV events against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin (twice).

Top Rank has dictated terms to the WBC… and Mauricio Sulaiman’s commercial bias has resulted in the WBC breaking their own rules!

Dillian Whyte is the WBC interim champion, has already been ducked by Tyson Fury once in a WBC-mandated bout, and was initially installed as the WBC’s number one contender during November 2017. He’s been waiting for a world title shot since then.

Dillian Whyte has has been paying the WBC 3% sanctioning fees more than four years, engaged in numerous title eliminators, became the WBC's highest-rated fighter, previously held mandatory challenger status and also captured the WBC international, silver, interim and diamond straps.

Dillian Whyte will file a lawsuit against the WBC.

Is Dillian Whyte the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

And can the WBC avoid bankruptcy if Dillian successfully contests his claims via court?

The situation is just a fûckîng disgrace!

It gets so tricky, im flicking through there rules, and for one it basicaly says "WBC can do whatever they want" as a rule, so that kind of covers them.... But then it says they can modify splits how they see fit... but then it says splits can only be modified to 60-40 or 45-55 or in rare cases 50-50 (which conflicts there they can do what they want with splits clause)..

Interestingly flicking through there own rematch rules criteria whyte vs povetkin II probably shouldent of been sanctioned by the WBC.

Its a shit show thats for sure. really thought they would go with a 70-30, think that would of got the fight on smoothly.

The WBC’s rules in regards to purse splits are pretty clear.

Yes, I appreciate the existence of the “discretion” caveat, but the argument for Whyte to only receive 20% is extraordinarily weak.

If Whyte files a lawsuit against the WBC for their conduct, I think he’ll win it.

Top Rank are basically trying to hold the WBC to ransom, by saying that they either fulfill their demands or Fury vacates.

Mauricio Sulaiman caved into Arum’s demands, which has resulted in Dillian being low-balled in order to discourage him from taking the fight on those terms.

Dillian Whyte is definitely the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

Quick question. Doesn't the rules on their website state that blank blank blank is at the discretion of the board of directors?
So doesn't that give them a lil bit of freedom in the matter?

Only thing weak is Dillians claim to be some sort of mandatory challenger for the heavyweight championship of the world. Fellow lost to Chisora, was humiliated by Joshua and got koed by Povetkin. Anthony Joshua, Joe Joyce and Oleksander Usyk are all far more credible contenders so why should Dillian get the shot?

As far as Dillian being a credible mandatory challenger for some wbc belt, a status that he gained through some political game sure but who cares about that?

Styles make fight so Robert Helenius sounds like a more interesting fight vs Fury than Dillian does but Andy Ruiz acctually sounds like a less interesting opponent for Fury than Dillian.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 12:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 01:32

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 00:23

It gets so tricky, im flicking through there rules, and for one it basicaly says "WBC can do whatever they want" as a rule, so that kind of covers them.... But then it says they can modify splits how they see fit... but then it says splits can only be modified to 60-40 or 45-55 or in rare cases 50-50 (which conflicts there they can do what they want with splits clause)..

Interestingly flicking through there own rematch rules criteria whyte vs povetkin II probably shouldent of been sanctioned by the WBC.

Its a shit show thats for sure. really thought they would go with a 70-30, think that would of got the fight on smoothly.

The WBC’s rules in regards to purse splits are pretty clear.

Yes, I appreciate the existence of the “discretion” caveat, but the argument for Whyte to only receive 20% is extraordinarily weak.

If Whyte files a lawsuit against the WBC for their conduct, I think he’ll win it.

Top Rank are basically trying to hold the WBC to ransom, by saying that they either fulfill their demands or Fury vacates.

Mauricio Sulaiman caved into Arum’s demands, which has resulted in Dillian being low-balled in order to discourage him from taking the fight on those terms.

Dillian Whyte is definitely the second coming of Graciano Rocchigiani?

Quick question. Doesn't the rules on their website state that blank blank blank is at the discretion of the board of directors?
So doesn't that give them a lil bit of freedom in the matter?

Legal “precedents” matter.

So from a legal perspective, if the WBC treats Dillian Whyte much differently than the vast majority of other contenders, then Mauricio Sulamain needs to justify their so-called “discretionary” decision.

Apart from a few month blip (due to the Povetkin loss), Dillian Whyte has been the highest-rated WBC title challenger since November 2017.

It’s 2022.

Both Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have rejected opportunities to face Dillian Whyte.

Perhaps I’m intellectually challenged, because I really can’t think of a legitimate reason for the WBC’s treatment of Dillian Whyte.

But you’re right, there might be small print that’s not accessible via the official WBC website that protects Sulaiman’s ability to make seemingly bizarre decisions (that are inconsistent in nature) without having to adhere to the WBC’s official rules.

According to the rules, Whyte should receive at least 30% if he was the mandatory or 45% if he was the interim champion.

Dillian Whyte is the interim champion that headlined more PPV events than Fury has.

Apart from the Wilder & Klitschko wins (and let’s face it, Deontay ducked Dillian several times), Whyte has beaten more credible world-rated heavyweights than Fury has.

It doesn’t matter if people consider Fury as the commercial A-side over Whyte, Dillian should be receiving more than 20%.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:09
In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.

Oh please, Fury has only fought twice in the UK in almost seven years and that was against Pianeta and Seferi.
Telling me if Fury and Whyte went head to head against the same opponent on PPV in the UK that Whyte would generate more sells at this moment ?
I find that hard to believe.

Evander wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 23:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:09
In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.

Oh please, Fury has only fought twice in the UK in almost seven years and that was against Pianeta and Seferi.
Telling me if Fury and Whyte went head to head against the same opponent on PPV in the UK that Whyte would generate more sells at this moment ?
I find that hard to believe.

Can you please do me a favour before I respond to your question?

Just give me a quick reminder, by quoting my actual words, of me making that claim?

If you can’t, then will you at least be honest and concede that you’ve just employed a stawman debating tactic?

Any seven year old child is capable of lying, by pretending to successfully refute a fictional nonsense stance that no one has ever asserted!!!

Anyway, my response to one of the things you previously claimed is this… I believe you’re wrong!!!

Are you seriously “telling me” that Hughie Fury beats a prime version of Lennox Lewis? “I find that hard to believe!!!”

Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 00:55 Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.

Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!

I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?

Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.

Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.

And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.

So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.

The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!