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Greatest fighter ever to fight between 105 and 115

Greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

Greatest technical pressure fighter since Chavez.

Thoughts? ( )

He also has the biggest pair of massive solid brass balls since I don’t know fkin who. Some dude who carried them around in a wheelbarrow

As far as I know he hasn't ducked any mandatory challenges, he may not have fought all the champions in the weight class in his time, but I suspect that was not of his doing.

Which fight should one watch if one wants to join the Chocalatito fanclub?

H8Usernames wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 17:36 Which fight should one watch if one wants to join the Chocalatito fanclub?

Estrada 1 (And 2 which is on dailymotion not YouTube)
Yaegashi
Sor Rungvisai 1
Yafai

All on YouTube

(4) when all currently competitive fighters have retired, Gonzalez will be higher on an all time p4p list than any current active fighter.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 17:36 Which fight should one watch if one wants to join the Chocalatito fanclub?

Each to their own, but this was a real gutsy brutal win for Chocky.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 16:40 Greatest fighter ever to fight between 105 and 115

Greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

Greatest technical pressure fighter since Chavez.

Thoughts? ( )

Agree…subject to the fact I don’t know the history of the 105-115 weight divisions and their respective fighters in detail.

lazboy wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 19:12

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 16:40 Greatest fighter ever to fight between 105 and 115

Greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

Greatest technical pressure fighter since Chavez.

Thoughts? ( )

Agree…subject to the fact I don’t know the history of the 105-115 weight divisions and their respective fighters in detail.

I can go back to 1975 on the better flyweights and associated weights , eye test wise he is the best I have ever seen and record wise he’s insane.

I could make them all, anyone with any prominence ever, 105-115, 1970- , and not a one of them would i start as even slightly more than fractionally favoured over him.

(EG) People or at least some revere Ricardo Lopez, honestly I think Gonzalez kicks his ass all round the fkin ring at light-fly on a H2H, and his record is so much better it’s not even funny.

And Lopez is a consensus ATG around those weights

Gonzalez’s is a greatness that we seldom see. He may be better than Arguello. I honestly don’t know if I wouldn’t have him above EG Chavez. He’s that level.

There’s nobody else in boxing you can say that about

I fail to see what the hype is all about.

Amongst boxing fans there is this misguided need for great champions. This has lead to some very bad things with unworthy fighters being hyped to the skies and beyond for no reason. This chocolatito fellow falls into that category. There is a reason why he never became one of boxings most popular fighters.

Looking at this Ricardo Lopez guy he had a somewhat crowdpleasing style but one has to question the opposition that he faced. Woulf Chocolatito have beaten him? Hard to say, it probably wouldn't have been much of a fight however, one would likely have dominated the other, going with my gutt I would pick Ricardo.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:32 I fail to see what the hype is all about.

yeah imagine being positive about a guy who's been in about 20 world title fights in 13 years and who's been a proper world champion at 4 weights and who's beat about 18 current/past/future world champs and who is one of the best fighters ever across 4 divisions.

There is a reason why he never became one of boxings most popular fighters.

there certainly is, and you demonstrate it perfectly, that boxing fans in the majority are retarded.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:51

H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:32 I fail to see what the hype is all about.

yeah imagine being positive about a guy who's been in about 20 world title fights in 13 years and who's been a proper world champion at 4 weights and who's beat about 18 current/past/future world champs and who is one of the best fighters ever across 4 divisions.

There is a reason why he never became one of boxings most popular fighters.

there certainly is, and you demonstrate it perfectly, that boxing fans in the majority are retarded.

Classy.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:51

H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:32 I fail to see what the hype is all about.

yeah imagine being positive about a guy who's been in about 20 world title fights in 13 years and who's been a proper world champion at 4 weights and who's beat about 18 current/past/future world champs and who is one of the best fighters ever across 4 divisions.

There is a reason why he never became one of boxings most popular fighters.

there certainly is, and you demonstrate it perfectly, that boxing fans in the majority are retarded.

Spot on. In this instance with H8, irritatingly retarded. You know the constant loud noise in the cinema type, but after the initial humour has worn off. Duuupp durrrllp deeepppp.

lazboy wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 07:57

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:51

H8Usernames wrote: ↑26 Jan 2022, 06:32 I fail to see what the hype is all about.

yeah imagine being positive about a guy who's been in about 20 world title fights in 13 years and who's been a proper world champion at 4 weights and who's beat about 18 current/past/future world champs and who is one of the best fighters ever across 4 divisions.

There is a reason why he never became one of boxings most popular fighters.

there certainly is, and you demonstrate it perfectly, that boxing fans in the majority are retarded.

Spot on. In this instance with H8, irritatingly retarded. You know the constant loud noise in the cinema type, but after the initial humour has worn off. Duuupp durrrllp deeepppp.

Dan Rafael rightly backed him as the top P4P after Ward retired..

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑25 Jan 2022, 16:40 Greatest fighter ever to fight between 105 and 115

Greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

Greatest technical pressure fighter since Chavez.
Thoughts? ( )

- You moonlighting as Doogie over at Ring in your off hours

I like Choco just fine, more so for his class and demeanor, but his competition is light, 600 compared to 2000 LW, 1600 Welter, and 1200 Hvy. While it's more competitive than Women's boxing, barely 100+ in superfly, it's hard to think he should be near the p4p #1 that Doogie made him. I tend to think it was politically correct in that moment to recognize little fellas for the first time, but no, not in the same boxing class as Arguello other than demeanor and class.

When he fought Rungvasai, it was easy for me to see the stylistic derailments in advance, so kudos to Choco for mounting a comeback after personal and boxing setbacks. Need more Chocos in boxing and the world, not less. Shame Estrada who has always been even more overrated had to catch the Corona, but I am really jazzed to see Julio Cesar stepping up, a hugely better fight. You nailed Choco style perfectly, and though much to be said about such a busy style, for me it's like shaking up a crystal of snow that covers up what's actually happening in those tyny spaces.

Julio Cesar launches hard super fast shots from the floor that have almost an instantaneous effect, and he's even more teensy than Choco who has some big size in this bout. The contrasts could force Choco out of his one pace style for a Fight of the Year contender. I generally don't watch the little fellas, but I'll be there for this one.