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This is not a fanboy thing by any means as I've never been the biggest Canelo fan, but you gotta respect the career he's built at this point.

Just now I was thinking, I don't think there could be any argument that he's certainly surpassed his former promoter De La Hoya's legacy right?

So just where is he ranking at this point amongst Mexican fighters? I normally save this kinda thing for a guy's career to end, but Canelo has achieved a sh*t load already, and still likely has a few more years left in him.

I am his fan since 2010, but didnt expected he will reach this level. Just look at every top name from 160 to 200 lbs. They all avoiding fighting each other and just waiting for Canelo paycheck. PIMP of boxing lol.

He's in the top 10 already without a doubt.

ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

if one thinks canelo did enuff in that close second fight to take the belt from golovkin, one is wrong.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

Yeah x2, but in a fair world he'd be 1-1 with GGG at best.
It rankles.

And of course he IS an amazing fighter with some great achievements, but his career is greater than his legacy as a fighter.

Canelo just doesn't excite or thrill like the greats of the past. There is something very commercial and corporate about Canelo, as if he's been manufactured into an asset which the big business boys who run the sport maximize revenues through. You just get the sense his opponent signs the deal for the giant payoff which is ten times more than he will ever get in his career. Just no chance Charlo or Muchubu or Andrade or anyone who else who gets to fight Canelo will be allowed to beat him. Kovalev, Saunders, etc, they just take the jackpot and run, likely to never box again. Then when the next big star is manufactured, Canelo's star power will be transferred and the cycle will rinse and repeat. Gone are the days of Hagler, Hearns, Duran going at it like lions.

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

I agree that GGG beat him twice, and even so Canelo still has one of the best records of any Mexican Boxer.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.

Yes I had GGG winning both Canelo fights also and it looked like he possibly held back on going all out on Canelo as if he only got the giant paydays if he played soft. Canelo makes too much money for too many people and they have the resources to manipulate any opponent because everyone who fights Canelo can't make huge bucks against anyone else. It's called "leverage."

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

adislav123 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:21 ggg beat him twice, back 2 back. i'm just sayin.

i know i sound like a broken record, but the record states othetwise, forever, everytime somebody looks at it.

not that boxing ever has been fair.

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.

116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.

for me jee jee won the first 116-112 and nelo won the rematch 115-113

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 02:14 for me jee jee won the first 116-112 and nelo won the rematch 115-113

I have exactly same scorecards

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.

116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.

I had similar to Gil TBH,

I have watched the first bout twice, but the 2nd fight once.

1st: 115-113 GGG
2nd: 117-111 GGG

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 09:41

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.

116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.

I had similar to Gil TBH,

I have watched the first bout twice, but the 2nd fight once.

1st: 115-115 GGG
2nd: 117-111 GGG

At least you've got a realistic score at the first attempt.

I watched it twice too. Both times I felt draw fine.

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 09:41

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54

116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.

I had similar to Gil TBH,

I have watched the first bout twice, but the 2nd fight once.

1st: 115-115 GGG
2nd: 117-111 GGG

At least you've got a realistic score at the first attempt.

I watched it twice too. Both times I felt draw fine.

Sorry my first fight score was 115-113, not 115-115.. Just realised.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:28

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 09:41

I had similar to Gil TBH,

I have watched the first bout twice, but the 2nd fight once.

1st: 115-115 GGG
2nd: 117-111 GGG

At least you've got a realistic score at the first attempt.

I watched it twice too. Both times I felt draw fine.

Sorry my first fight score was 115-113, not 115-115.. Just realised.

Still realistic. Yet giving Canelo only 3 rounds is over the top.

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:28

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 10:05

At least you've got a realistic score at the first attempt.

I watched it twice too. Both times I felt draw fine.

Sorry my first fight score was 115-113, not 115-115.. Just realised.

Still realistic. Yet giving Canelo only 3 rounds is over the top.

Yeh, but if ANYONE was gonna get the 118-110 card, it should be GGG, even though that would be wrong as well.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 04:05 Just now I was thinking, I don't think there could be any argument that he's certainly surpassed his former promoter De La Hoya's legacy right?

I mark Canelo among the top 20 of my lifetime -- but I put Oscar in the top 10. Not quite *that* level just yet, to me. But he very well could end up there.

Canelo is a four-weight world champion.

He’s competed in twenty world title fights.

And at least twenty of his bouts were against former/current world champions.

He’s on the cusp of celebrating his eleventh year anniversary of his first world title bout, and he was only twenty years of age back then.

At least six of his fights were against dead-cert Hall-of-Famers.

He is the current undisputed champion at 168lbs. The Mexican also held three of the four main titles at 154lbs and 160lbs.

And he’ll be engaging in his fifth bout within a sixteen-month timeframe for his next outing on Cinco De Mayo weekend.

I don’t think there’s anybody competing today that boasts a resume as good as Canelo’s.

It really doesn’t matter if he loses every single fight from this point onwards, because he’s already Hall-of-Fame worthy.

golovkin is by many (idiots) now considered a washed up looser, which is crazy. he's still undefeated in the ring (yes the derev fight could have been scored either way or a draw, as the champion he still edged it)

he got royally fucked over twice by the canelo corruption machine (that's not canelo's fault)and one might say also royally compensated for it.

i don't think so. the corrupt figures who push the buttons behind the scene ruined his record, blemished his name/standing/legacy however you may call it, diminished his options for bigger fights and more income.

where would his 'stock have risen to what heights' would those fights have been judged fairly?

how would canelo's rise to megastardom have been affected would he have rightfully left the ring as the defeated on those two nights?

adislav123 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 13:41 golovkin is by many (idiots) now considered a washed up looser, which is crazy. he's still undefeated in the ring (yes the derev fight could have been scored either way or a draw, as the champion he still edged it)

he got royally fucked over twice by the canelo corruption machine (that's not canelo's fault)and one might say also royally compensated for it.

i don't think so. the corrupt figures who push the buttons behind the scene ruined his record, blemished his name/standing/legacy however you may call it, diminished his options for bigger fights and more income.

where would his 'stock have risen to what heights' would those fights have been judged fairly?

how would canelo's rise to megastardom have been affected would he have rightfully left the ring as the defeated on those two nights?

Canelo and Golovkin are both great fighters.

It’s silly to suggest you have to be a member of some sort of “tribe” and pick sides, meaning that GGG fans are duty-bound to aggressively ridicule Canelo at all costs… and vice versa!

That said, GGG has to be considered past-his-prime, because he’s very inactive and he’ll be in his forties the next time we see him entering the ring.

It doesn’t matter who the individual is, but no human being can possibly be at their best in GGG’s situation.

Canelo’s a better technician than Oscar ever was

One is the most feared and respected MW since Hagler.

The other is boxing's biggest cash cow since Mayweather.

One failed a drug test.

The other didn't

One was a fearless boxer.

The other was always a shrewd businessman.

Now they are both businessmen.