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Fury looked super sharp vs Klitschko, brilliant masterpiece performance vs an ATG. But that was a long time ago, and since then Fury has looked sloppy, faded, declined and a lot less special. He looks like a lumbering clod with his once great boxing skills still intact.

Wilder was so bad, so lousy, levels below Fury, Klitschko, elite level. Wilder was just an overrated hyped up protected bum pretender. Fury has been through a lot, drugs, bad diet, huge weight gains and losses, he looks like an old man. He did not take care of his body, like Kelly Pavlik who abused his body, Fury will not have a long career at the top. Beating bums like Wilder and the other patsies he beat were not very impressive performances. Nothing about Fury is really impressive lately except for his big mouth. The greats are always special looking, sharp, accurate, sensational, spectacular, Fury has never been sensational like Tyson vs Berbick, Lewis vs Ruddock, Rahman 2, Golota, Holyfield vs Bowe and Tyson, Foreman vs Frazier, etc. Fury was just a big freak who caught Wladimir at exactly the right time and beat him in a rather boring decision.

Whyte is going to be very dangerous for Fury, he's tough, tested, rugged, strong and he has the power. This is the moment he's waited his life for. Fury vs Whyte could be Creed vs Balboa in reverse.

Whyte insists he put a beating on Fury in sparring. I smell the big upset here. Fury has been railroaded into this fight, he clearly would have preferred an easier opponent like Helenius, Parker, Ruiz. Or for the WBC to get rid of Whyte. Fury vs Whyte is going to be a helluva fight and it could sellout a big stadium. Is it possible Fury is actually shot but the wins vs the very overrated Wilder disguised it?

Fury beat a around 39 year old Wlad Kltiscko who was well past his prime and reflexes where faded, so I don't know how great a win it was, but I always thought Tyson Fury had talent, people made fun of me years ago here for saying that but it was true. I don't think Fury is "shot" yet but Whyte could definitely beat him.

physically i dont think hes shot, dedications always an issue though

although he won the wilder triology match, he did worse than the 2nd fight and was in worse shape too

Pointless assumption. No shot man beats the hell out of Wilder like that, especially being out of shape.

He's coming off a KO over Wilder. So the answer is no.

600450 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 21:39Is Fury shot but he doesn't even know it?

Fury has looked sloppy, faded, declined and a lot less special. He looks like a lumbering clod...

Wilder was so bad, so lousy...

Wilder was just an overrated hyped up protected bum pretender. Fury has been through a lot, drugs, bad diet, huge weight gains and losses, he looks like an old man. He did not take care of his body...

Nothing about Fury is really impressive lately except for his big mouth...

Fury was just a big freak who caught Wladimir at exactly the right time and beat him in a rather boring decision...

Fury has been railroaded into this fight, he clearly would have preferred an easier opponent...

There’s a distinctly strong aroma of troll in this thread.

600450 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 21:39Whyte insists he put a beating on Fury in sparring.

Sparring stories are meaningless.

Unlike most fighters, Fury spars even when he isn’t training for a fight and is out-of-shape.

I must of seen a different trilogy fight.

he's a doper but he's not shot...

Yes. Fury has been overrated for years now. Basically getting props for beating a guy he's already beaten and 3 of the guys he's beat in the last 4 years do not even box any more. His resume is abysmal and you would be hard pressed to find 5 good opponents on it. He did not want to fight Whyte and that's why he tried so hard to find another opponent and duck the mandatory fight. now he is painted into a corner and he will try to fluff his way through but I think Whyte will get to him. A guy like Fury who doesn't always train hard and leans back when fighting is ripe for someone who throws hard body shots. i just hope Fury doesn't fake covid again or fake an ankle injury or have more fake mental illness.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:42 physically i dont think hes shot, dedications always an issue though

although he won the wilder triology match, he did worse than the 2nd fight and was in worse shape too

This.

For Wilder 2 he was in great shape - almost trim - and he was great.
For Wilder 3 he had a lot of baby trouble and not a good camp and he wasn't.
He might "grow old overnight" with his lifestyle one day soon, but "shot" ?
Definitely not.

victor-romeo wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:41 Fury beat a around 39 year old Wlad Kltiscko who was well past his prime and reflexes where faded, so I don't know how great a win it was, but I always thought Tyson Fury had talent, people made fun of me years ago here for saying that but it was true. I don't think Fury is "shot" yet but Whyte could definitely beat him.

Agreed.

The problem here is the ongoing schism in the HW division between Anthony Joshua/Dillian Whyte/ Andy Ruiz/Joseph Parker/Alexander Povetkin/ Oleksander Usyk etc all on one side and then you have Tyson Fury/Deontay Wilder/Louis Ortiz etc all on the other.

It's almost as if HW boxing has 2 parallel universes.

The only meaningful fighter that fought on both sides
is a late career Wladimir Klitschko who pushed AJ hard and lost a nothing fight to a drugged up Fury.

A drugged up Fury who subsequently ran from a rematch.

Therefore it remains unclear which side has the better fighters, though I've got a fairly good idea.

If I'm right then Dillian Whyte is going to give Tyson Fury a very very difficult fight. Whyte is a far better boxer than any of Deontay Wilder, Otto Wallin, Tom Schwartz, Sefer Seferi, Francesco Pianeta etc.

I expect Whyte to have at least a 50% chance against any possible version of Fury.

Fury has indeed been railroaded into this fight as he didn't want to meet Usyk and preferred the bigger payday that FW is offering.

Of course the ever shrewd Fury was desperate for the Anthony Joshua superfight, one colossal final payday at the least, but fate had other plans.

There was also the matter of legal contractions enforced by the Wilder camp and Usyk surprising a lot of people.

The total silence of Whyte about this Fury fight for the last several weeks is not a good sign. Hate to suspect this but could it be possible he made a deal to play soft for Fury? Because Whyte should be very happy and talking to the media about finally getting his big title shot for the career high payday.

Why is Whyte silent?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:42 physically i dont think hes shot, dedications always an issue though

although he won the wilder triology match, he did worse than the 2nd fight and was in worse shape too

Nice one Mags
And how much further out of shape will he get after the Wilder trilogy?
Sure he can get back to fighting fit, but every year older, makes it harder and more likely to pick up injuries.
Hate to say it, but his peak may have been Wilder 2.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 16:05

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:42 physically i dont think hes shot, dedications always an issue though

although he won the wilder triology match, he did worse than the 2nd fight and was in worse shape too

Nice one Mags
And how much further out of shape will he get after the Wilder trilogy?
Sure he can get back to fighting fit, but every year older, makes it harder and more likely to pick up injuries.
Hate to say it, but his peak may have been Wilder 2.

Yes it's clear Fury does not take optimum care for his body like Wladimir and Vitali and Bernard Hopkins did, he will not have the same longevity. He looks old already.

You dare question your king?!? Off with your head!!

600450 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 15:48 The total silence of Whyte about this Fury fight for the last several weeks is not a good sign. Hate to suspect this but could it be possible he made a deal to play soft for Fury? Because Whyte should be very happy and talking to the media about finally getting his big title shot for the career high payday.

Why is Whyte silent?

Let's hope it's just a case of behind the scenes last minute contractual negotiations. The Whyte camp should and will try to secure the best deal they can.

Dillian's brother Dean is certainly lending his support.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxing/ ... ar-AATokOS

dean isnt his brother, it's really weird that he pretends to be

his real name is lamar scott or something

Well Dean Whyte is essentially saying it's on and it will be shown in America too. Dillian gonna do it. He's giving off a vibe that it's on. Maybe Dillian is already going into total focus slayer mode. WHy bother saying anything to that big loudmouth? Let thebig loudmouth do all the talking, It's the quiet ones that are scary. The scared dog barks the loudest.

I like the idea of Whyte laying low like the hunter predator in the grass, plotting how to strike and destroy his prey.

This fight is actually the best fight inthe sport right now - the stakes, the drama, the grudge, tension, also black white angle doesn't hurt it either. The other semifinal AJ vs Usyk is intriguing but not like Fury vs Whyte. AJ vs Usyk is just a scripted business event with two matchroom in house contractors speaking all the predictable cliches, there is zero grudge, bad blood, tension. Fury vs Whyte is much much more.

I think he has evolved alot during his career from being the boxer mover that we saw against Wladimir Klitschko and in the first Wilder fight, to the front foot destroyer in the second and third fights, plus he did get dropped early in his career against Pajikic, and Steve Cunningham( and rocked by Nicolai Firtha), so I doubt he is shot or on his way down at the moment.

Complacency has always been the greatest weakness that Fury has, but... I think he is motivated to ultimately get undisputed... Usyk (or Joshua if he can win the rematch) is sort of like the last big challenge left... He will be more than motivated to go through Dillian Whyte in order to get the fight for all the marbles.

If he defeats Whyte and then defeats Usyk or Joshua, it can be said without any doubt whatsoever that Fury is the best heavyweight of the post Klitschko era.

While I would love to see him get back down to 255, and be more of a mover, I think the lightest he will ever be again is 260-265. I tend to think that if he fights Usyk he will once again reinvent himself with a mixture of movement and force, just to show that he can not only outbox but out brawl Usyk.

The real question is once he has conquered the division, will he remain or will he leave. Fury is one of those people who needs short-term and long-term goals and when there is nobody out there left to motivate it's difficult to stay around or maintain peak shape and performance.

No he's not shot. He's vulnerable, but formidable. Same as always. If he loses it don't suddenly mean he's washed up. It'd just mean he got beat.

The title of this thread seems fishy, as does the premise. Fury handled Wilder easily all 3 times. He's taken Wilder's hardest punches, gotten up off the floor, and kicked his ass. Fury was shot when he coughed up the titles and came back from it. He'll be shot again soon enough. I don't see White giving him much of a challenge. The guy he doesn't want to fight, who's going to beat him, is Usyk.

Fury is good, most likely the best, but it is distinctly possible he is horrifically over hyped. Depends on a few things, how good 39 year old kilt was, how much fury declined on a 2 year bender, and how good wilder is.

Here is the crazy thing, if fury had just beat up wilder twice and won easy no one would be using that as evedence to say he is number one, they would just be saying wilders shit and fury is good. But because he had 3 fights (2 of which were tough), people say wilder is very good, and therefor fury is amazing… exact same wilder, fight him 3 times, you get more credit if you do it badly than if you do it excellently..

Same thing happens with Otto, was unknown brang in as a soft touch, cut fury and did better than expected and suddenly people claim that’s a good win for fury..:

This constantly happens all through boxing where people often get more credit for a fight that was harder than it should of been and it distorts how good the win actualy was, which is why it’s important to have depth in resume.

thereverend wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 19:08 The title of this thread seems fishy, as does the premise. Fury handled Wilder easily all 3 times. He's taken Wilder's hardest punches, gotten up off the floor, and kicked his ass. Fury was shot when he coughed up the titles and came back from it. He'll be shot again soon enough. I don't see White giving him much of a challenge. The guy he doesn't want to fight, who's going to beat him, is Usyk.

You don't seem to have surmised that wilder was a total bum myth protected pretender. Fury's wins over wilder are very overrated. Fury has not had a real high quality stunning win since Klitschko, everything since has been good business.

Fury had the chance to fight AJ last year for much more money than he got for wilder 3. Fury and Arum strung along Hearn for months and then as soon as Judge Weinstein ordered him to fight wilder 3, they ran to it and didn't even try to pay wilder to step aside or drop the wbc belt. Fury could have made five times more money if he challenged AJ but the fact he ran back to wilder spoke volumes.

No - But he'd be better off between 260-275.
More than that and while he can still beat anyone currently active
it's a lot more risky. And that goes for Whyte too.