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Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 12:40 yeah, glad we've got you to bring up these burning hot topics EO, thank god we have a chance to debate whether fighter A ducked fighter B 3 fucken years ago

I can't actually recall if you're the one with a hard-on for Andrade, or if you slurp that hater-juice for him- i know there's one dude on here just loves him some Andrade, i think you're at the hater endo f the spectrum but i really don't care- what is clear is that you absolutely love to get involved in arguments about who ducked who, it's boring as fck man get a fkin life why don't you? 3 fucken years ago, bro, jesus. give it up.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 11:06 Within the last 24 hours, Stephen Espinoza announced that Showtime offered Demetrius Andrade the Jermall Charlo world middleweight title unification bout during late 2019, but Boo Boo rejected that opportunity:




Therefore, Demetrius Andrade has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face top-ten world-rated fighters, such as: Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and also the winner of the Erislandy Lara vs. Jarrett Hurd title unification.

Thoughts?

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 17:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 11:06 Within the last 24 hours, Stephen Espinoza announced that Showtime offered Demetrius Andrade the Jermall Charlo world middleweight title unification bout during late 2019, but Boo Boo rejected that opportunity:




Therefore, Demetrius Andrade has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face top-ten world-rated fighters, such as: Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and also the winner of the Erislandy Lara vs. Jarrett Hurd title unification.

Thoughts?

A couple of thoughts for me….

I don’t really trust Espinoza. I’m not sure what it is but I find him to be a real slippery kind of guy. I’ll assume what he’s saying is true though.

I’m only going to criticise someone for turning down a fight if I have an idea of the deal. Was it a one fight deal or multi fight? Were there options if Andrade won? Was he low balled on the purse?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:04

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 17:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 11:06 Within the last 24 hours, Stephen Espinoza announced that Showtime offered Demetrius Andrade the Jermall Charlo world middleweight title unification bout during late 2019, but Boo Boo rejected that opportunity:




Therefore, Demetrius Andrade has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face top-ten world-rated fighters, such as: Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and also the winner of the Erislandy Lara vs. Jarrett Hurd title unification.

Thoughts?

A couple of thoughts for me….

I don’t really trust Espinoza. I’m not sure what it is but I find him to be a real slippery kind of guy. I’ll assume what he’s saying is true though.

I’m only going to criticise someone for turning down a fight if I have an idea of the deal. Was it a one fight deal or multi fight? Were there options if Andrade won? Was he low balled on the purse?

Andrade’s lawsuit against Roc Nation claimed that Demetrius was told to reject a three-fight deal with Showtime, which would have paid him $550K for the Jermell Charlo fight, where Boo Boo’s previous career-high purse being the $200K he was paid for the Brian Rose fight.

So Andrade has received two lucrative multi-fight deals with Showtime.

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:04

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 17:37

A couple of thoughts for me….

I don’t really trust Espinoza. I’m not sure what it is but I find him to be a real slippery kind of guy. I’ll assume what he’s saying is true though.

I’m only going to criticise someone for turning down a fight if I have an idea of the deal. Was it a one fight deal or multi fight? Were there options if Andrade won? Was he low balled on the purse?

Andrade’s lawsuit against Roc Nation claimed that Demetrius was told to reject a three-fight deal with Showtime, which would have paid him $550K for the Jermell Charlo fight, where Boo Boo’s previous career-high purse being the $200K he was paid for the Brian Rose fight.

So Andrade has received two lucrative multi-fight deals with Showtime.

I’m not talking about the Jermell stuff - you’ve covered that already at length in several other threads.

I was referencing this supposed Jermall offer. I’m not going to criticise Andrade for it as I don’t believe a great deal of what Espinoza says and I have no idea of the purse/terms offered.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:28

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 18:04
Andrade’s lawsuit against Roc Nation claimed that Demetrius was told to reject a three-fight deal with Showtime, which would have paid him $550K for the Jermell Charlo fight, where Boo Boo’s previous career-high purse being the $200K he was paid for the Brian Rose fight.

So Andrade has received two lucrative multi-fight deals with Showtime.

I’m not talking about the Jermell stuff - you’ve covered that already at length in several other threads.

I was referencing this supposed Jermall offer. I’m not going to criticise Andrade for it as I don’t believe a great deal of what Espinoza says and I have no idea of the purse/terms offered.

It’s about credibility.

Andrade claimed he rejected the first Showtime deal due to being low-balled, but then subsequently admitted in a lawsuit about lying.

In fact his team conceded they were offered a massive purse.

Stephen Espinoza rarely speaks, but when he does, no one accuses him of being a liar.

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 19:12 Let's beat the dead horse some more. Late 2019? Early 2020 Mall turned down a $7 mil offer to fight Andrade. Believe what you want. Btw, I demand to see the "facial proof" of the alleged duck.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 19:28

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Mar 2022, 19:12 Let's beat the dead horse some more. Late 2019? Early 2020 Mall turned down a $7 mil offer to fight Andrade. Believe what you want. Btw, I demand to see the "facial proof" of the alleged duck.

Jermall didn’t reject a $7m deal to face Andrde, since Eddie Hearn flatly-refused to corroborate Demetrius’ claims.

100 people could spend an entire year researching reliable sources endorsing Boo Boo’s claims, but they definitely couldn’t find any proof.

Believe me, lots of people have attempted to prove me wrong, even Ruthless, but every single one of them failed.

Bandog wrote: ↑11 Mar 2022, 08:28My point is, you take Espinoza's words as facts, but not Hearn's, because it doesn't fit into your narrative. Everyone else seems to understand except you. I'm sure they have medication for whatever you have.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Mar 2022, 11:34

Bandog wrote: ↑11 Mar 2022, 08:28My point is, you take Espinoza's words as facts, but not Hearn's, because it doesn't fit into your narrative. Everyone else seems to understand except you. I'm sure they have medication for whatever you have.

Demetrius Andrade claims Jermall Charlo rejected a $7m offer from Matchroom for a fight.

Eddie Hearn refused to corroborate Boo Boo’s claims about the monetary amount.

Demetrius Andrade (via his own legal paperwork) has previously admitted to lying about purses to the media (when Boo Boo falsely claimed he was low-balled for the Jermell Charlo fight).

So I don’t trust anything that comes from Demetrius Andrade’s mouth.

Eddie Hearn recently claimed he was trying to make a fight between Demetrius Andrade and David Benavidez, but Matchroom didn’t even try to contact Benavidez’s handlers.

This means that Eddie Hearn lies also.

Whilst I strongly suspect that Stephen Espinoza isn’t always 100% truthful, I haven’t found any examples of him being dishonest.

We also know that Team Andrade has previously admitted (via their own lawsuit against Roc Nation) to have rejected a multi-fight deal with Stephen Espinoza’s Showtime.

So we know for certain that Stephen Espinoza has tried to work with Demetrius Andrade on multiple occasions, and Boo Boo has rejected every single offer made by Showtime.

That last sentence isn't hearsay, because this claim is based on the content of Demetrius Andrade's very own legal documentation he included in the lawsuit he filed against Roc Nation.

Surely you’re intelligent enough to understand the implications of me repeatedly citing Demetrius Andrade’s own legal documentation?

Bandog wrote: ↑11 Mar 2022, 22:00 Benevidez, his father, along with Demitris, Hearn, etc have all said that is the fight they want next. Of course, B and D have to win their next fights.

Win or lose for either guy, it would be great for our sport!

In the meantime, negative nancys like eo will keep chirping about ducks...which is bad for our sport.