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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Mar 2022, 21:42 is this the james j who hasnt fought in 6 years, like the one giant jack beat?

either way, fury wins

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 08:21 Jeffries is one of those figures of boxing history who may have been greatly overrated at one point but in the present time is grossly underrated.

He was a very large man for the era (nearly 6'3" and as much as 280 pounds) who had great conditioning and could absorb a lot of punishment. He had a very unorthodox brawling style, but it worked for him and he hit hard with either hand.

If he couldn't stop somebody early due to his size and aggressiveness and power he simply outlasted his opponents like he did against Jim Corbett. That being said --- in his time most heavyweights were like modern day super middleweights or light heavyweights.

Fury would basically have his way with Jeffries. He would outbox him and out punch him. Not because Jeffries sucks or anything like that, but because he never fought anyone remotely like Fury--- who is basically a giant with skills similar to Corbett, will and determination similar to Jeffries, and ring IQ similar to Johnson. It's too much of a task for him to overcome.

That being said I think Jeffries at his absolute best would have soaked up all the punishment and would still be standing at the end of 20 rounds, although the worse for wear--- primarily because this was a man who fought in an era with 3 oz gloves, matches scheduled for as much as 100 rounds, with referees that were not squeamish, where you could stand over a fallen opponent, etc.

Cutman Scabbers wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:55

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 08:21 Jeffries is one of those figures of boxing history who may have been greatly overrated at one point but in the present time is grossly underrated.

He was a very large man for the era (nearly 6'3" and as much as 280 pounds) who had great conditioning and could absorb a lot of punishment. He had a very unorthodox brawling style, but it worked for him and he hit hard with either hand.

If he couldn't stop somebody early due to his size and aggressiveness and power he simply outlasted his opponents like he did against Jim Corbett. That being said --- in his time most heavyweights were like modern day super middleweights or light heavyweights.

Fury would basically have his way with Jeffries. He would outbox him and out punch him. Not because Jeffries sucks or anything like that, but because he never fought anyone remotely like Fury--- who is basically a giant with skills similar to Corbett, will and determination similar to Jeffries, and ring IQ similar to Johnson. It's too much of a task for him to overcome.

That being said I think Jeffries at his absolute best would have soaked up all the punishment and would still be standing at the end of 20 rounds, although the worse for wear--- primarily because this was a man who fought in an era with 3 oz gloves, matches scheduled for as much as 100 rounds, with referees that were not squeamish, where you could stand over a fallen opponent, etc.

Thanks for the great analysis!

So Jeffries could conceivably outweigh Fury

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 13:38

Cutman Scabbers wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:55

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 08:21 Jeffries is one of those figures of boxing history who may have been greatly overrated at one point but in the present time is grossly underrated.

He was a very large man for the era (nearly 6'3" and as much as 280 pounds) who had great conditioning and could absorb a lot of punishment. He had a very unorthodox brawling style, but it worked for him and he hit hard with either hand.

If he couldn't stop somebody early due to his size and aggressiveness and power he simply outlasted his opponents like he did against Jim Corbett. That being said --- in his time most heavyweights were like modern day super middleweights or light heavyweights.

Fury would basically have his way with Jeffries. He would outbox him and out punch him. Not because Jeffries sucks or anything like that, but because he never fought anyone remotely like Fury--- who is basically a giant with skills similar to Corbett, will and determination similar to Jeffries, and ring IQ similar to Johnson. It's too much of a task for him to overcome.

That being said I think Jeffries at his absolute best would have soaked up all the punishment and would still be standing at the end of 20 rounds, although the worse for wear--- primarily because this was a man who fought in an era with 3 oz gloves, matches scheduled for as much as 100 rounds, with referees that were not squeamish, where you could stand over a fallen opponent, etc.

Thanks for the great analysis!

So Jeffries could conceivably outweigh Fury

Possibly. I think it was in a fight with Jack Monroe or Jack Finnegan, I forget which, that Jeffries came in around 280 pounds. He certainly put on a lot of weight in his retirement because he had to lose 110 pounds to do the fight with Jack Johnson.