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David Benavidez is one of those fighters that bizarrely receives an honorary rite of passage to being regarded as the best super-middleweight on the planet (from those not named Canelo) from fight fans, without even needing to face any decent opponents.

He seems to receive kudos from certain fans for theoretical “victories” (based solely on opinions/expectation), with the same mentally deranged individuals also choosing to criticise other fighters for their real-world wins.

But lets’ not pretend that Benavidez’s lack of career progression is due to him being allegedly “fearsome” or the “Boogeyman” at 168lbs, because:

• Benavidez only engaged in 15 amateur bouts and didn’t achieve anything notable.

• In September 2017, David Benavidez got off the canvas to win a split decision over Ronald Gavril, in a fight where the outcome could have gone either way.

• In June 2018, seven months after signing a four-year contract extension with his existing promoter, Sampson Boxing, he accepted (and then had to return) a $250K sign-on bonus payment he wrongly accepted from Top Rank to join Bob Arum’s stable.

• In September 2018, he failed an out-of-competition drug test when he tested positive for a component of cocaine (benzoylecgonine). He admitted to making a mistake, was stripped of his WBC title and also served a suspension.

• In September 2019, David Benavidez regained his WBC world super-middleweight title when he stopped the past-his-prime iteration of Anthony Dirrell (that had previously struggled to overcome Avni Yildirim).

• In August 2020, the undisciplined David Benavidez failed to make weight for his fight against Roamer Alexis (by a 3lbs margin) and was subsequently stripped of his WBC title for the second time.

• In March 2021, Benavidez rejected an opportunity to face the current WBC middleweight titleholder, Jermall Charlo, in a catch-weight bout.

• In November 2021, the inactive David Benavidez engaged in only his fifth fight during a 45-month timeframe when he faced the lacklustre and unrated Kyrone Davis - a natural middleweight that only received 16 days’ notice (having previously scored only three victories within the last four years against journeymen suffering poor form, with only one of those wins coming against an opponent weighing more than 160lbs).

• Benavidez’s career best victories have come against a past-his-prime iteration of Anthony Dirrell and Ronald Gavril.

• Benavidez’s next opponent is the past-his-prime iteration of David Lemieux (with the Canadian previously needing to rise from the canvas to win a split decision over the journeyman, Maksym Bursak).

David Benavidez comes across as a nice guy though, but he’s made many poor career-based decisions and his resume is weak.

Therefore, why are people clamouring for Canelo to face David Benavidez?

Why do people feel that Canelo is “ducking” Benavidez, when it’s clear the American hasn’t earned the right to receive such a prestigious mega payday opportunity?

Thoughts?

Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it. DB must have said something bad about a Charlo boy? People like EO are bad for boxing.

On the positive side, DB is the youngest ever, in history to get a 168lb belt. Was 15-0 in amateurs, then turned pro in 2013. He avenged the alleged controversial win, totally shutting out Gavril shortly after. He's admitted a couple of mistakes, but is maturing like most do his age.

After calling out DB at 168, Mall Charlo backed off when DB accepted, and wanted a catchweight of 164 knowing DB can't make it. Chickenshit move. Charlo needs to give Monteil a rematch, and shut his mouth.

Why are people clambering to see him vs Canelo? I think people guess he would do better than Amir Khan or Rocky Fielding, etc.

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it.

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27 Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it. DB must have said something bad about a Charlo boy? People like EO are bad for boxing.

On the positive side, DB is the youngest ever, in history to get a 168lb belt. Was 15-0 in amateurs, then turned pro in 2013. He avenged the alleged controversial win, totally shutting out Gavril shortly after. He's admitted a couple of mistakes, but is maturing like most do his age.

After calling out DB at 168, Mall Charlo backed off when DB accepted, and wanted a catchweight of 164 knowing DB can't make it. Chickenshit move. Charlo needs to give Monteil a rematch, and shut his mouth.

Why are people clambering to see him vs Canelo? I think people guess he would do better than Amir Khan or Rocky Fielding, etc.

A stunning laser like accurate retort.

It's rather unfortunate that the recipient is unable to appreciate it.

No worries, I'm sure that most of us here do.

DB v anyone is a hot fight right now.
Canelo, if it ever happens, would be the icing on the cake.

Ask any boxing fan.

[Of course those unfortunate to suffer with issues of pedantry, contrariness and attention seeking often cannot help but see things differently to the rest of us].

Thomastearns wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 13:08A stunning laser like accurate retort.

It's rather unfortunate that the recipient is unable to appreciate it.

No worries, I'm sure that most of us do.

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27 Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it. DB must have said something bad about a Charlo boy? People like EO are bad for boxing.

On the positive side, DB is the youngest ever, in history to get a 168lb belt. Was 15-0 in amateurs, then turned pro in 2013. He avenged the alleged controversial win, totally shutting out Gavril shortly after. He's admitted a couple of mistakes, but is maturing like most do his age.

After calling out DB at 168, Mall Charlo backed off when DB accepted, and wanted a catchweight of 164 knowing DB can't make it. Chickenshit move. Charlo needs to give Monteil a rematch, and shut his mouth.

Why are people clambering to see him vs Canelo? I think people guess he would do better than Amir Khan or Rocky Fielding, etc.

lol, you mention him being 25 like he's some toddler, but when it's mentioned that canelo was 23 vs floyd you say people are babying him. you sure never care about being consistent do you

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 13:14

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27 Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it. DB must have said something bad about a Charlo boy? People like EO are bad for boxing.

On the positive side, DB is the youngest ever, in history to get a 168lb belt. Was 15-0 in amateurs, then turned pro in 2013. He avenged the alleged controversial win, totally shutting out Gavril shortly after. He's admitted a couple of mistakes, but is maturing like most do his age.

After calling out DB at 168, Mall Charlo backed off when DB accepted, and wanted a catchweight of 164 knowing DB can't make it. Chickenshit move. Charlo needs to give Monteil a rematch, and shut his mouth.

Why are people clambering to see him vs Canelo? I think people guess he would do better than Amir Khan or Rocky Fielding, etc.

lol, you mention him being 25 like he's some toddler, but when it's mentioned that canelo was 23 vs floyd you say people are babying him. you sure never care about being consistent do you

Canelo at 23 had 40 professional fights. I've never said people were babying Canelo.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:43

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it.

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Your entire post is full of half truths, and spins, with one purpose - to denigrate a young professional boxer's career and reputation. If you spent half of your time and effort praising boxers and boxing, instead of your sorry need for attention and trying to troll others to argue with you, it would be great.

I could go through it point by point, but no one wants to read that crap. At least you have your BFF Thatcher behind you.

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 20:17

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:43

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it.

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Your entire post is full of half truths, and spins, with one purpose - to denigrate a young professional boxer's career and reputation. If you spent half of your time and effort praising boxers and boxing, instead of your sorry need for attention and trying to troll others to argue with you, it would be great.

I could go through it point by point, but no one wants to read that crap. At least you have your BFF Thatcher behind you.

You didn’t answer my question, did you?

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 20:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 13:14

Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27 Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me, but then I saw who the troll was that posted it. DB must have said something bad about a Charlo boy? People like EO are bad for boxing.

On the positive side, DB is the youngest ever, in history to get a 168lb belt. Was 15-0 in amateurs, then turned pro in 2013. He avenged the alleged controversial win, totally shutting out Gavril shortly after. He's admitted a couple of mistakes, but is maturing like most do his age.

After calling out DB at 168, Mall Charlo backed off when DB accepted, and wanted a catchweight of 164 knowing DB can't make it. Chickenshit move. Charlo needs to give Monteil a rematch, and shut his mouth.

Why are people clambering to see him vs Canelo? I think people guess he would do better than Amir Khan or Rocky Fielding, etc.

lol, you mention him being 25 like he's some toddler, but when it's mentioned that canelo was 23 vs floyd you say people are babying him. you sure never care about being consistent do you

Canelo at 23 had 40 professional fights. I've never said people were babying Canelo.

you did say that bruh , see below. apparently it's babying to point out that canelo fought a f@cking fantastic atg at 23, but omg benavidez is still so young at 25 , so you gotta give him a break

just shows how canelo's ambition is on another level to these pretenders who only want to talk

Canelo was 23, and already had 40 professional fights. So yes, you are also playing the baby card.

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Bandog wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 12:27 Why someone would go to such great lengths to bash a 25 yr old professional boxer is beyond me,

Because we live in the age of the internet where at the click of a few buttons you can go from knowing fornicate all about a fighter to reading everything that’s been written on the internet about him.

Wasn’t the boxing world a better place when you’d read an article in a boxing magazine about a fighter then tell your mate down the pub…

“You seen that Benavidez, he’s only 25 but has won 25 in a row and 22 by KO he’s fighting that Lemieux next, remember that fornicator knocking everyone out”

“Yeah be good that”

“Yeah”

I enjoyed the OP.
Love the little tags in the time line:

Unmotivated Benavidez
Inactive Benavidez.

You missed adding:

2021 Ducker Benavidez
2019 Graverobber Benavidez
2018 Cokie Benavidez
2018 Refund Benavidez

Judge them in the ring fight by fight … all fighters can be picked apart .

Imagine if every small detail we allegedly did wrong was documented on the net and held against us

2021 - wales ruins family gathering by getting drunk and having a piss on the pecan pie
2020 - wales accused of molesting a penguin at the local zoo (charges dropped due to lack of evidence)
2018 - woman accuses wales of shouting you’ve got big brazzers at her (charges dropped as she had small ones)
2017 - cctv shows wales kicking a pigeon
2016 - wales reacts inappropriately when a man with Down syndrome chants “big nose big nose la la la la big nose” at him

faced 1 top 10 fighter his entire career, been in with loads of softies. lost his title once for doing cocaine, and another time for being well overweight.

good fighter no doubt, but in terms of matchmaking and discipline his career leaves a lot to be desired for a guy who's been hyped as a super talent

Genuine question (I’m out the loop a bit)

Who’s hyped him as a super talent?

TV networks? Promoters ? Us lot on the web?
I genuinely don’t know - I thought he was just ticking along . Not the next sugar ray cassisus clay jones jnr the 5th. Started boxing at 3 and had 15 amateur fights yet won nothing of note

Cocaine- don’t care they’re all at it

25-0 at 25 with only one win against top ten fighter. Hate this about boxing . Ricky Hatton was 27 and 38-0 (I think) when he fought Tszyu.
Tszyu was his first top ten opponent !!
Boxing needs to forget about being undefeated - best v the best and take a loss and learn

coming in 3lbs over weight… lot of people see indiscipline… but don’t forget some of these guys lose 15lbs overnight . Maybe it just went wrong that night.

I know some 158lb fighter are 173lbs when they arrive at the hotel the day before weigh in. To get that off overnight everything has to go perfect

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 22:24 I enjoyed the OP.
Love the little tags in the time line:

Unmotivated Benavidez
Inactive Benavidez.

You missed adding:

2021 Ducker Benavidez
2019 Graverobber Benavidez
2018 Cokie Benavidez
2018 Refund Benavidez

I don’t understand your comment, because you're using words that don't accurately relect the content of my post.

But let me ask you one question…

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 04:41

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 22:24 I enjoyed the OP.
Love the little tags in the time line:

Unmotivated Benavidez
Inactive Benavidez.

You missed adding:

2021 Ducker Benavidez
2019 Graverobber Benavidez
2018 Cokie Benavidez
2018 Refund Benavidez

I don’t understand your post.

Just add it to the list of things you don't understand.

lazboy wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 04:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 04:41

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 22:24 I enjoyed the OP.
Love the little tags in the time line:

Unmotivated Benavidez
Inactive Benavidez.

You missed adding:

2021 Ducker Benavidez
2019 Graverobber Benavidez
2018 Cokie Benavidez
2018 Refund Benavidez

I don’t understand your post.

Just add it to the list of things you don't understand.

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

It's a simple question that anybody should be able to understand.

Wales wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 23:22 Genuine question (I’m out the loop a bit)

Who’s hyped him as a super talent?

TV networks? Promoters ? Us lot on the web?
I genuinely don’t know - I thought he was just ticking along . Not the next sugar ray cassisus clay jones jnr the 5th. Started boxing at 3 and had 15 amateur fights yet won nothing of note

Cocaine- don’t care they’re all at it

25-0 at 25 with only one win against top ten fighter. Hate this about boxing . Ricky Hatton was 27 and 38-0 (I think) when he fought Tszyu.
Tszyu was his first top ten opponent !!
Boxing needs to forget about being undefeated - best v the best and take a loss and learn

coming in 3lbs over weight… lot of people see indiscipline… but don’t forget some of these guys lose 15lbs overnight . Maybe it just went wrong that night.

I know some 158lb fighter are 173lbs when they arrive at the hotel the day before weigh in. To get that off overnight everything has to go perfect

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 05:05

Wales wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 23:22 Genuine question (I’m out the loop a bit)

Who’s hyped him as a super talent?

TV networks? Promoters ? Us lot on the web?
I genuinely don’t know - I thought he was just ticking along . Not the next sugar ray cassisus clay jones jnr the 5th. Started boxing at 3 and had 15 amateur fights yet won nothing of note

Cocaine- don’t care they’re all at it

25-0 at 25 with only one win against top ten fighter. Hate this about boxing . Ricky Hatton was 27 and 38-0 (I think) when he fought Tszyu.
Tszyu was his first top ten opponent !!
Boxing needs to forget about being undefeated - best v the best and take a loss and learn

coming in 3lbs over weight… lot of people see indiscipline… but don’t forget some of these guys lose 15lbs overnight . Maybe it just went wrong that night.

I know some 158lb fighter are 173lbs when they arrive at the hotel the day before weigh in. To get that off overnight everything has to go perfect

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

How come you keep asking this question to anyone that replies?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 05:07

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 05:05

Wales wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 23:22 Genuine question (I’m out the loop a bit)

Who’s hyped him as a super talent?

TV networks? Promoters ? Us lot on the web?
I genuinely don’t know - I thought he was just ticking along . Not the next sugar ray cassisus clay jones jnr the 5th. Started boxing at 3 and had 15 amateur fights yet won nothing of note

Cocaine- don’t care they’re all at it

25-0 at 25 with only one win against top ten fighter. Hate this about boxing . Ricky Hatton was 27 and 38-0 (I think) when he fought Tszyu.
Tszyu was his first top ten opponent !!
Boxing needs to forget about being undefeated - best v the best and take a loss and learn

coming in 3lbs over weight… lot of people see indiscipline… but don’t forget some of these guys lose 15lbs overnight . Maybe it just went wrong that night.

I know some 158lb fighter are 173lbs when they arrive at the hotel the day before weigh in. To get that off overnight everything has to go perfect

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

How come you keep asking this question to anyone that replies?

I feel that people resort to undermining the arguer rather than their argument (or try to completely change the topic), when someone conveys facts that don’t adhere to their preferred narrative.

Every time I ask this same question, no one replies, because let’s face it, all I’ve done is detail seemingly uncomfortable truths that David Benavidez’s fans cannot refute.

I don’t know what to say, really… shall I respond to their insults or should I try the steer the discussions back to the real-world facts related to the actual topic of this thread?

lazboy wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 04:45

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 04:41

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 22:24 I enjoyed the OP.
Love the little tags in the time line:

Unmotivated Benavidez
Inactive Benavidez.

You missed adding:

2021 Ducker Benavidez
2019 Graverobber Benavidez
2018 Cokie Benavidez
2018 Refund Benavidez

I don’t understand your post.

Just add it to the list of things you don't understand.

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Mar 2022, 06:26

I'm still waiting for you to answer one simple question...

Which bullet point(s), in my first post in this thread, do you feel is factually inaccurate?

Wales wrote: ↑23 Mar 2022, 22:42 Judge them in the ring fight by fight … all fighters can be picked apart .

Imagine if every small detail we allegedly did wrong was documented on the net and held against us

2021 - wales ruins family gathering by getting drunk and having a piss on the pecan pie
2020 - wales accused of molesting a penguin at the local zoo (charges dropped due to lack of evidence)
2018 - woman accuses wales of shouting you’ve got big brazzers at her (charges dropped as she had small ones)
2017 - cctv shows wales kicking a pigeon
2016 - wales reacts inappropriately when a man with Down syndrome chants “big nose big nose la la la la big nose” at him

This could turn out to be yet another classic EO Monty Python black knight routine