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Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 06:09
by H8Usernames
Would Wilder stand a chance?
The comeback from behind with the Ko punch approach that we have seen him utilize in the past I just don't see it working vs Usyk, trying that stuff would more likely lead to a Usyk ko win I think.
What about the jab and the range. We have seen Wilder develope a pretty good jab during his career. Could he simply shut Usyk out and keep him away for the entire 12?
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 06:32
by CMCanavessi
Usyk would destroy him
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 06:44
by Cent0089
Wilder is tailor made for Usyk IMO. Still with his one punch power can be somewhat unpredictable, but tall stationary boxers are no problem for Usyk. Bring some short, powerful guy with stamina and high workrate and that is problem for ukrainan.
Edit: you will definitely not beat Usyk with jab, especially Wilders jab
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 07:01
by gregregegg
I honestly think usyk would destroy Wilde. Stoppage within 7 rounds.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 07:03
by Lenny Cravats
Power like that, Wilder always stands a chance.
In a different setting, Wilder could have beaten Fury twice - in fact, if it was a role reversal on UK soil, no way does the 12th round count even start, and the 2nd KD in the 4th could well have been waved off.
No doubt Usyk is a better boxer. I'd imagine would be a strong favourite.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 07:04
by Lenny Cravats
For a BoxRec tourney, I'd go for Usyk,ko,9
For real money, punchers make me nervous. Wouldn't touch it.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 07:27
by margaret thatcher
gotta go with usyk, would be like a much higher level version of spizzy's showing
also, some ppl simplify it a bit much with wilder. talking like his opponents need to go 12 rounds without getting hit by a single right hand.
it's fully possible that usyk could withstand the right if he's only taking a couple. or usyk could go down but get up to take over. fury did it, and ortiz also got up from a kd to win numerous rounds and have wilder teetering around the ring. a big strength of usyk's is his excellent engine, which aside from avoiding gassing (like ortiz 1) also helps dudes recover from rough patches
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 08:10
by Bandog
Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 07:03
Power like that, Wilder always stands a chance.
In a different setting, Wilder could have beaten Fury twice - in fact, if it was a role reversal on UK soil, no way does the 12th round count even start, and the 2nd KD in the 4th could well have been waved off.
No doubt Usyk is a better boxer. I'd imagine would be a strong favourite.
X2 Well said.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 08:35
by skanksta
Wilder can knock anyone out if they stand still of course, but I just can't see him landing on Usyk. The stoppage would be there for him if he went for it, but with Wilder's power to keep him honest I'd be surprised if he did.
Facile win for Usyk.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 10:53
by DrDuke
Usyk is levels above as a boxer. Fury did shotouts over Wilder, so will do Usyk. Can Usyk take Wilder's power? More likely yes. Usyk ate clean shots of Gassiev and Joshua.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 11:18
by Bandog
Although a great boxer, Usyk is not unbeatable. It's good he had a couple fights before jumping in with AJ.
If the question was asked right after the Chisora fight, most would give Wilder a very good chance. Chisora still has power, but slow.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 12:06
by gilgamesh
No reason to do it right now. If Wilder comes back and gets some KO wins. He's back in the mix.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 13:04
by Thomastearns
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 06:32
Usyk would destroy him
I think so too.
In pure boxing terms the gap is astronomical.
Usyk just wouldn't give Wilder the fight he wants, and there's no way Deontay could make him do it.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 14:18
by H8Usernames
It's common for boxingfans to misinterpret the results of fights. It could be that Usyk beat AJ in style so maybe he is "all that" or maybe AJ is and was severely overrated and Usyk also had the perfect style to beat him.
Me personally I'd pick Joyce, Ortiz and Wilder to beat AJ and maybe some other dudes also.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 14:44
by pound per pound
gregregegg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 07:01
I honestly think usyk would destroy Wilde. Stoppage within 7 rounds.
I think he'd stop him before that time. Wilder isn't interested in fighting. If he fights again, he will be badly exposed.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 14:45
by pound per pound
gregregegg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 07:01
I honestly think usyk would destroy Wilde. Stoppage within 7 rounds.
I think he'd stop him before that time. Wilder isn't interested in fighting. If he fights again, he will be badly exposed.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 18 Apr 2022, 15:21
by KiwiRider
pound per pound wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 14:45
gregregegg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 07:01
I honestly think usyk would destroy Wilde. Stoppage within 7 rounds.
I think he'd stop him before that time. Wilder isn't interested in fighting.
If he fights again, he will be badly exposed.
I disagree, if he fights again, he will be
very carefully managed.
Just like he was before Fury, and don't forget Fury seemed like a soft target to Wilder's team, before he wasn't.
No, if Wilder fights again, expect the same sort of cab drivers, rail yard hobos and past it punch bags he fought before, with similar spectacular knockouts after losing every round.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 08:41
by Bandog
KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 15:21
pound per pound wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 14:45
gregregegg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2022, 07:01
I honestly think usyk would destroy Wilde. Stoppage within 7 rounds.
I think he'd stop him before that time. Wilder isn't interested in fighting.
If he fights again, he will be badly exposed.
I disagree, if he fights again, he will be
very carefully managed.
Just like he was before Fury, and don't forget Fury seemed like a soft target to Wilder's team, before he wasn't.
No, if Wilder fights again, expect the same sort of cab drivers, rail yard hobos and past it punch bags he fought before, with similar spectacular knockouts after losing every round.
How many current heavyweights can say they fought their last 5 or 6 guys that were in the top 5 or 10? When you have limited amateur experience, you are fed easier opponents until you get good experience. Could you name a few of Canelo's 1st 35 opponents?
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 08:52
by margaret thatcher
bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are among the best 3 opponents wilder's beat in 45 fights lol, talk about quantity over quality. although props for fighting fury, even if he failed to win in 3 tries
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 09:50
by Tony1244
I'd have to favor Usyk, but Wilder, like Earnie Shavers, always has that puncher's chance against about anybody.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 10:04
by IRONFIST
Of course Wilder would stand a chance, particularly with his unpredictable wild swinging and Usyk can be caught but I suspect he'd stop Wilder mid to late rounds.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 11:26
by Wee Tommy
Wilders power is the most overrated in the last 50 years of boxing. Some of the guys who stood up to his best punches says it all.
Usyk would wipe the ring with him. Complete shut out.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 17:14
by Bandog
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2022, 11:26
Wilders power is the most overrated in the last 50 years of boxing. Some of the guys who stood up to his best punches says it all.
Usyk would wipe the ring with him. Complete shut out.
Curious, what boxers have stood up to his best punches and won, aside from Fury?
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 17:43
by Wee Tommy
Bandog wrote: ↑19 Apr 2022, 17:14
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2022, 11:26
Wilders power is the most overrated in the last 50 years of boxing. Some of the guys who stood up to his best punches says it all.
Usyk would wipe the ring with him. Complete shut out.
Curious, what boxers have stood up to his best punches and won, aside from Fury?
What a stupid question.
Re: Wilder vs Usyk
Posted: 19 Apr 2022, 17:49
by margaret thatcher
duhaupas took an insane amount of clean, loaded up shots from him and never went down. stiverne in the first fight took absolutely tons too and went the distance on his feet
his power is huge no doubt, though some ppl go overboard with the whole thingy that he just needs to touch a guy with 1 right and the fights over. the whole 'wilder's opponent needs to be perfect' stuff. no they dont.