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Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 17:31
by Ruthless-RKO
Basically, what are some memorable fights where the right guy won, but there was at least one scorecard that was totally wrong.
For instance, Lopez beat Lomachenko in October, but 119-109 was an obviously terrible scorecard.
Or Mayweather beating Canelo by Majority decision when most people agree Mayweather won every round.
A more recent one was Canelo-Bivol. Terrible scorecards 115-113 x3.. but the right man won.
What are some others you can think of?
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 19:25
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Navarro v mijares
Doug tucker confused the fighters and scored it a shutout the wrong way
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 19:29
by margaret thatcher
tszyu vs gausha recently
smith vs hart somehow being a split decision when smith won about 8/10 rounds and scored a kd
breazeale just edging fred kassi, then getting 100-90 and 98-92 cards
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 19:37
by gregregegg
Ian john lewises 117-111 card for Yarde Vs Arthur I.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 19:38
by margaret thatcher
ijl also had rey vargas vs gavin mcdonnell a draw when vargas won 8/9 rounds. the other judges thankfully had it right at 116-112 and 117-111 vargas
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 22:15
by gcart
This is why it's almost impossible to fight canelo in Vegas. You lose 5 rounds just by stepping in the ring. What a disadvantage.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 22:23
by margaret thatcher
judges had bivol's win over craig richards too close too, the f@cking awful homer steve grey had it a 1 point fight even
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 22:56
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 17:31
Basically, what are some fights where the right guy won, but there was at least one scorecard that was totally wrong.
For instance, Lopez beat Lomachenko in October, but 119-109 was an obviously terrible scorecard.
Or Mayweather beating Canelo by Majority decision when most people agree Mayweather won every round.
A more recent one was Canelo-Bivol. Terrible scorecards 115-113 x3.. but the right man won.
What are some others you can think of?
The first Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez fight had a 119-109 card for Williams I think. It wasn't outrageous to suggest he won the fight, but it was outrageous to say he won the fight by THAT margin.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 08 May 2022, 23:31
by margaret thatcher
on another note, i was never a fan of williams style. though he lost at least 3 fights he got the decision in . he threw a ton but often it was 0 quality stuff. for me he was best by far in the margarito fight, where he not only threw lots but moved and boxed well
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 03:37
by fifth_root
Very bad socrecards. The judges were obviously prepared to give Canelo a draw if he could've done something barely effective, but he was dominated for 11 rounds, at best he took the 9th. The guy is brave, but supported too much, his career became ugly after the Golovkin fights where he lost both of them.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:07
by Ruthless-RKO
Ugas-Ramos
one judge had it 117-111 Ramos.
funny thing is, 2 judges gave the fight to Ugas had bad scores as well.
Double wammy
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:08
by Ruthless-RKO
Toney-Jirov scores were way too wide.
Considering Jirov also was dropped and got deducted a point.
117-109 | 117-109 | 116-110
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:09
by Ruthless-RKO
If anyone considered Canelo vs Golovkin 1 a reasonable draw, we could mention the 118-110 card.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:09
by Ruthless-RKO
Donaire vs Rigondeaux
Rigo dominated.
Scores were awful.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:38
by DrDuke
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 09:08
Toney-Jirov scores were way too wide.
Considering Jirov also was dropped and got deducted a point.
117-109 | 117-109 | 116-110
Those were OK for me. Toney pretty much schooled Jirov.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 09:44
by Ruthless-RKO
DrDuke wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 09:38
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 09:08
Toney-Jirov scores were way too wide.
Considering Jirov also was dropped and got deducted a point.
117-109 | 117-109 | 116-110
Those were OK for me. Toney pretty much schooled Jirov.
Maybe it seemed wider cus Jirov lost two points.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 11:10
by Perkin Warbeck
George Arias vs Cassius Chaney
Arias won every round, schooled Chaney, but it was just a SD win for him.
The right man won, but it was crazy that a judge scored it for Chaney.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 12:56
by Fightnight Scores
This happens on a near weekly basis to be fair.
They get quickly glossed over when the right man inevitably win and we move on. A bit more is made of it for the bigger fights though.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 09 May 2022, 13:21
by Bandog
To be honest I'd trust compubox or literally any computer program to decide the outcome than judges when it comes to Canelo's fights.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 06:57
by Ruthless-RKO
Warrington-Lopez
I don't care what anyone says about this being close. It wasn't.
Should have been a clear UD win for Lopez.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 09:21
by Syntax Error
118 - 110 Leonard V Hagler.
Leonard won the fight, but in no way did he win by that margin.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 12:31
by Bandog
Syntax Error wrote: ↑16 Dec 2022, 09:21
118 - 110 Leonard V Hagler.
Leonard won the fight, but in no way did he win by that margin.
I won money on that fight but wasn't convinced Ray deserved it. He was grest at stealing rounds with flurries at the end. My honest opinion was Hagler edging it or a draw, but no close fight should be considered a robbery.
The 2 worst cards with right decisions by far imo were Canelo vs Floyd and Canelo vs Bivol. Both were nearly shutouts, and zI think Bivol was even more dominant. Neither fight can be blamed on age, size, etc. It was simply 2 guys a level above their opponent.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 23:09
by Finkel
A number of Wilder's world title defences had pretty awful score cards, but I guess we could say the right man won through KO. Dubois v Joyce also had bad cards, but the right man won.
However, it's the same issue when fighting Canelo. How to approach a fight which you know you can't win on the cards? Do you push for the stoppage, but by doing so open yourself up to more easily being stopped? Bit of a risk, especially if you are in with a heavily backed A-side fighter where the referee will be looking to stop you at the first opportunity (see Dubois v Lerena and Ortiz's fights with Wilder).
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 19:59
by Bandog
Finkel wrote: ↑16 Dec 2022, 23:09
A number of Wilder's world title defences had pretty awful score cards, but I guess we could say the right man won through KO. Dubois v Joyce also had bad cards, but the right man won.
However, it's the same issue when fighting Canelo. How to approach a fight which you know you can't win on the cards? Do you push for the stoppage, but by doing so open yourself up to more easily being stopped? Bit of a risk, especially if you are in with a heavily backed A-side fighter where the referee will be looking to stop you at the first opportunity (see Dubois v Lerena and Ortiz's fights with Wilder).
Another criminal scorecard was with Canelo vs Lara, 117-111 in favor of Canelo. If you don't score that fight very close, you have no business judging. No robbery, but I thought Lara out-boxed Canelo.
Re: Bad Scorecards with the Right Decision
Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 21:03
by tiny_acres
We can go way back to Holmes vs Cooney. Yes Holmes stopped him in 13.
But if not for the 3 point deductions Cooney had for low blows he would of been ahead on 2 judges score cards.
Very suspicious scoring