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I have heard it all now

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 08:50
by Graham Brett
In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:28
by knockout
seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:34
by Graham Brett
knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong
Yeah. I didnt think of that. Fair enough

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:37
by jamesmcdonnell
knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong
Marciano was technically a lot better than Skelton, his punching technique was spot on. It's just that he had little defence and only one way of fighting, but it was enough.

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:42
by knockout
james you nerd ;-)

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:44
by MightyWarrior
knockout wrote:seems fair enough...
he is black like sonny
Plus he's bald........

Re: I have heard it all now

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 09:45
by BubiScholz
Graham Brett wrote:In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor
so he is the new hero after Harrison and Williams :TU:

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:12
by DavidPayne
The comparison makes mine between a certain recently deceased Philadelphian heavyweight and Chris Byrd appear uncanny.

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:13
by jamesmcdonnell
Marciano and Liston are both stiffs. Is that what they meant?

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:19
by E
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
knockout wrote:seems fair enough...

he is black like sonny

and like marciano he is rather lacking skill but is very fit and strong
Marciano was technically a lot better than Skelton, his punching technique was spot on. It's just that he had little defence and only one way of fighting, but it was enough.
Marciano had very underrated defence, he used to slip under shots and move in awkwardky without presenting too much of a target.

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:21
by jamesmcdonnell
I know what you mean, but the fact he came forward all the time meant he caught a lot of shots. He wasn't quite a bob and weaver if you know what I mean, but the crouch made him hard to hit.

Can you imagine Marciano v Holyfield at cruiserweight, lord jesus!

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:41
by tonyevs
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Marciano and Liston are both stiffs. Is that what they meant?
or that they were both born in the same year :P

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:51
by knockout
LOL, just to clarify incase you guys were taking me too literally, of course Marciano had more skill than Skelton......

but in undisputed heavyweight champion terms he is definately lower quartile ;-)

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:58
by silkov
Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 10:59
by knockout
silkov wrote:Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.
hmmm a shot in the crown jewels i suppose doing it and not getting caught by the ref is a skill...

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 11:10
by Neri
why is it the people actually in the boxing business have more shit tinted glasses than the fans?

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 11:19
by jamesmcdonnell
silkov wrote:Marciano was a lot better technically than he's given credit for and he was probably the roughest haevyweight I've seen... a few of his shots to the crown jewels would weaken even the biggest of men.
Yeah his 'Suzy-Q' hybrid punch/elbow deserves a special mention.

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 15:07
by My T Sharp
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/art ... 20Standard

Just read the article, Skelton is only like Marciano & Liston when he adopts his streetfighting style. :cry:

Posted: 25 Feb 2005, 15:52
by silkov
Really, laugh's aside, to compare Skelton with either Marciano or Liston is both ludicrous in the extreme and deeply insulting to both the memories of two great warriors and to those boxing fans who still have more than two brain cells to rub together on a cold night!.
Liston was one of the most technically sound Heavyweights I've seen, great balance, good speed, great power and a jab that looked like it could take heads off... to compare him with Skelton is like comparing my 93 yearold neighbor with Cathrine Zeta-Jones.
Ok, Skelton is black, bald and old.... thats about it, as far as comparisons go with Liston go.

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 06:03
by steve689
Maloney is an idiot.

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 06:07
by jomothepure
steve689 wrote:Maloney is an idiot.
Alledgedly

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 06:34
by kevin
It was Frank who said it and they didn't compare Skelton to either Marciano or Liston, they said that Liston and Marciano were both brawlers and they both became World Champions and pretty decent ones.

I don't think anyone in the Skelton camp pretends that he is the greatest boxer in the world, but he'll always come to fight and the crowd loved it last night even if the purists didn't. He got the job done and he won the fight

What about Skelton against some of the old timers, ie. Jack Bodell or Danny McAlinden they would have been real brawls.

Kev

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 06:40
by steve689
jomothepure wrote:
steve689 wrote:Maloney is an idiot.
Alledgedly
Of course, cheers mate :lol:

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 09:26
by silkov
Liston wasn't a brawler though, he was a very good boxer with a great jab and good punch... to call him a brawler is to completely overlook his main talents and abilities. Marciano was a brawler in a real hard and intelligent manner... he was a great infighter basically.
Skelton is a mauler rather than an infighter... ne smothers much of his work and generally wins by tiring his limited and rather unfit opponents.
I've nothing against Skelton personally but when his team start comparing him to two of the most outstanding heavyweights of all time it is rather beyond a joke... Frwank should remember that there are some of us who have actually seen Marciano and Liston fight!.

Re: I have heard it all now

Posted: 26 Feb 2005, 14:27
by Jedi Knight
Graham Brett wrote:In todays Evening Standard Eugene Maloney compares Matt Skelton to Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano.

Didnt know Eugene had escaped from Broadmoor
Why would anyone listen to him or his moron brother, they are both complete idiots and it actually annoys me to look at them...sorry.