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Not a big deal but it carries a symbolic value of sorts. I was thinking about Robeisy Ramirez. And Junior Makabu. For some reason I always thought that Joe Smith Jr. lost his first bout but now it seems like he didn't.

Is it a big deal?

JackSprocket wrote: ↑20 Jun 2022, 03:46Successful boxers who lost their pro debut fight

Henry Armstrong, Bernard Hopkins, Rafael Marquez, Pipino Cuevas, Wilfredo Vasquez, Johnny Nelson, James ‘Bonecrusher’ Smith, Miguel Vasquez, Orlando Salido and Jhonny Gonzalez.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jun 2022, 05:15

JackSprocket wrote: ↑20 Jun 2022, 03:46Successful boxers who lost their pro debut fight

Henry Armstrong, Bernard Hopkins, Rafael Marquez, Pipino Cuevas, Wilfredo Vasquez, Johnny Nelson, James ‘Bonecrusher’ Smith, Miguel Vasquez, Orlando Salido and Jhonny Gonzalez.

Juan Manual Marquez too.

I wouldn't call Robeisy Ramirez successful just yet..

Do I think he'll win a world title, yes..

Mike Weaver lost his first two pro bouts.

Michael Bentt

Joe Bugner

Alexis Arguello...?

I'll have to double-check that one.

Correction. Alexis Arguello won his first 3 bouts, and then lost 2 in a row.
Still Really Something though.

Sor Rungvisai won only 1 of his first 5 fights and lost his first 2…. by knockout.

Recovered well from that I guess.

Rocky Marciano turned pro in 1947, yet lost a fight in 1948, and retired unbeaten with a 49-0 record. How? He returned to the amateur ranks after his pro debut for a few more fights before deciding to become a full time pro boxer.

The reason I like this thread, is that it’s a gentle reminder to those who prematurely over appreciate unproven prospects, to the point they become comedically bad hype jobs, even though they’ve faced no one notable.

Similarly, many people feel compelled to automatically write-off fighters as soon as they taste defeat.

Fighters lose. It happens. Some of those that suffer defeats can recover and improve.

Fighters that never take risks, rarely lose, but also rarely improve.

Johnny Nelson lost his first 3

BHop

Bruno Arcarí, junior WW champion for four years in the 1970s. Finished with a 70-2 record but lost his debut

Tevin Farmer was stopped in his pro debut. He was 7-4-1 with two stoppage losses at one point, then turned his career around.

Freddie Pendleton.

AngryGoon38 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 15:41 Correction. Alexis Arguello won his first 3 bouts, and then lost 2 in a row.
Still Really Something though.

You are right. Arguello's record showed a loss on his debut for many, many years until some new fights were discovered. I remember that Cassius Clay was badly winded by a body shot in his debut and failed to sparkle; Wilfredo Gomez scraped a draw. Our own Bunny Sterling, the first black immigrant to win a British title, lost his first three fights.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 17:58 The reason I like this thread, is that it’s a gentle reminder to those who prematurely over appreciate unproven prospects, to the point they become comedically bad hype jobs, even though they’ve faced no one notable.

Similarly, many people feel compelled to automatically write-off fighters as soon as they taste defeat.

Fighters lose. It happens. Some of those that suffer defeats can recover and improve.

Fighters that never take risks, rarely lose, but also rarely improve.

Depends Alot on how that particular boxer loses a particular bout as well. I remember then unbeaten sensation Danny Romero, in the 1990's, losing to A journeyman boxer "Willie Salazar", who had a record of 40-20 at the time. It was by Tko, cause Romero got butted early, in the eye, and he tried to fight through it, but just couldn't land that KO punch. They just wound up waving it off, after the ring doc determined that it was too dangerous for Danny to keep boxing with one eye completely shut. Romero would then continue winning ,after that flukey bout, until he Re-earned the big bout versus Johnny Tapia, which would've happened right after the Salazar bout, had Romero not lost to him.

Lomachenko is another prime example of losing, very early into his pro carear(His third pro bout). And not letting that type of loss affect him, being that it was a case where the boxer that Won(Salido), Really actually should've had many points deducted, due to his excessive dirty tactics incorporated. Which would've rightfully had him losing the decision because of this. Had there been a proper and fair minded ref in there, calling things for what they actually were.

"Arturo Gatti" lost a bout early in his carear, to someone named "King Soloman". Gatti then went on a Tear, ripping through his opponents, while still campaigning at 130, including the First round Tko over Pete Taliefero, in 1994. Then the two wins over Patterson, in 96 and 97. That early career loss to Soloman must've been one of those losses that didn't Really Truly feel like he was actually Defeated. Something obviously happened to Soloman, soon after that bout. Otherwise, they certainly would've rematched.

Man, that King Solomon is the biggest mystery in the history of boxing...