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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 05:48 There will inevitably be lots of articles published by the media detailing controversies to help promote a bout between a 31 year old top-ten pound-for-pounder that just tasted defeat during his most recent outing, and an inactive 40½ year old past-his-prime fighter that hasn’t delivered an impressive performance within the last four years.

For sure, I’ll watch the bout, but the outcome already appears to be a foregone conclusion.

And I feel that die-hard boxing fans probably won’t be excited about seeing this fight, but if Matchroom/DAZN and both camps keep "disclosing" controversies to the media, hoping to dishonestly portray this bout as a “grudge match”, then gullible mainstream fans will inevitably tune in.

The second GGG-Canelo bout achieved 1.1m PPV buys, but their third fight won’t achieve anywhere near those numbers.

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 10:11 lol @ Canelo getting mad at GGG for reminding him he is a drug cheat. Canelo joins a long list of boxers that have their resumes tainted. People will wonder how many of their victories were PED related, and should be no contests, or losses.

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:11Hey EO, why do you talk like that? You seem to express yourself with a wooden language. You're basically afraid to say your opinion, plain and simple. You're not a straightforward person. You seem like a slimy weasel. lol

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022, 05:47In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive once for clenbuterol (two samples obtained at the same time, with the testing administered by VADA).

The NSAC also performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, WADA isn’t directly affiliated with VADA – their rules aren’t the same.

WADA deals with all sports, not just boxing, and them changing their rules had nothing whatsoever to do with Canelo.

skanksta wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 12:06 The bent cards as well as the PEDS.
I kinda hate Canelo.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 12:01

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:11Hey EO, why do you talk like that? You seem to express yourself with a wooden language. You're basically afraid to say your opinion, plain and simple. You're not a straightforward person. You seem like a slimy weasel. lol

I expressed several opinions within the same post - you just didn't bother to read them.

You just want to attack and insult me, out-of-the-blue, for no damn reason!

What do you want me to say about a video posted April 2018?

In terms of Golovkin's words, he claims that Canelo "did something wrong", but according to today's rules, he hasn't.

I can't be bothered spending more time on this discussion, but if you need a history lesson to remind you of all the facts... then I'll resurrect an old post of mine to educate you on real-world historical reality:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022, 05:47In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive once for clenbuterol (two samples obtained at the same time, with the testing administered by VADA).

The NSAC also performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, WADA isn’t directly affiliated with VADA – their rules aren’t the same.

WADA deals with all sports, not just boxing, and them changing their rules had nothing whatsoever to do with Canelo.

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 18:03 The big unknowns here are how GGG performs at 168? At 40, hope he is allowed to juice up, or at least purchase some rounds/judges.

Pulling for GGG regardless.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2022, 03:32 Hope GGG sparks him.

Can't stand Canelo and his hand-picked judges who give him a four round advantage in any fight. Absolutel joke of a man.

Don't like his fans either.

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:34

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 10:11 lol @ Canelo getting mad at GGG for reminding him he is a drug cheat. Canelo joins a long list of boxers that have their resumes tainted. People will wonder how many of their victories were PED related, and should be no contests, or losses.

Very good point.

Probably in the Bivol fight he was clean bc he was gassing out big time. Of course that the weight addition played a major role too.

I wonder if the modern peds nowadays are getting detected in blood after a correct cycle off?

Another interesting Q is if a ped user is anonymously testing himself to see the values of the peds in blood before a contest? If its in very small admissibly traces that ain't a red flag then its ok, if not, then he'd have to delay the contest via an injury ? lol

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Jul 2022, 08:35

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:34

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 10:11 lol @ Canelo getting mad at GGG for reminding him he is a drug cheat. Canelo joins a long list of boxers that have their resumes tainted. People will wonder how many of their victories were PED related, and should be no contests, or losses.

Very good point.

Probably in the Bivol fight he was clean bc he was gassing out big time. Of course that the weight addition played a major role too.

I wonder if the modern peds nowadays are getting detected in blood after a correct cycle off?

Another interesting Q is if a ped user is anonymously testing himself to see the values of the peds in blood before a contest? If its in very small admissibly traces that ain't a red flag then its ok, if not, then he'd have to delay the contest via an injury ? lol

Victor Conte said getting caught is easy to avoid if your boxer and team are smart. I'm sure many more are on pets than we want to believe.
The message it sends to our youth is the most troubling to me. Parents that want to re-live sports through their kids are the worst, and I know more than one case where they provided peds, at the high school level. One case in Jr high. This was 10-15 yrs ago.
Unfortunately, most don't care or think about the health ramifications.

Anyone that thinks Canelo, or any drug cheat are good role models should be tarred and feathered. I'll provide the tar.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 12:01

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:11Hey EO, why do you talk like that? You seem to express yourself with a wooden language. You're basically afraid to say your opinion, plain and simple. You're not a straightforward person. You seem like a slimy weasel. lol

I expressed several opinions within the same post - you just didn't bother to read them.

You just want to attack and insult me, out-of-the-blue, for no damn reason!

What do you want me to say about a video posted April 2018?

In terms of Golovkin's words, he claims that Canelo "did something wrong", but according to today's rules, he hasn't.

I can't be bothered spending more time on this discussion, but if you need a history lesson to remind you of all the facts... then I'll resurrect an old post of mine to educate you on real-world historical reality:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022, 05:47In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive once for clenbuterol (two samples obtained at the same time, with the testing administered by VADA).

The NSAC also performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, WADA isn’t directly affiliated with VADA – their rules aren’t the same.

WADA deals with all sports, not just boxing, and them changing their rules had nothing whatsoever to do with Canelo.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 10:36

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 12:01

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 11:11Hey EO, why do you talk like that? You seem to express yourself with a wooden language. You're basically afraid to say your opinion, plain and simple. You're not a straightforward person. You seem like a slimy weasel. lol

I expressed several opinions within the same post - you just didn't bother to read them.

You just want to attack and insult me, out-of-the-blue, for no damn reason!

What do you want me to say about a video posted April 2018?

In terms of Golovkin's words, he claims that Canelo "did something wrong", but according to today's rules, he hasn't.

I can't be bothered spending more time on this discussion, but if you need a history lesson to remind you of all the facts... then I'll resurrect an old post of mine to educate you on real-world historical reality:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022, 05:47In 2018, Canelo served a six-month suspension between the GGG bouts for testing positive once for clenbuterol (two samples obtained at the same time, with the testing administered by VADA).

The NSAC also performed hair follicle tests on Canelo and they came back negative for any traces of clenbuterol. They also conceded that there was no suspicion whatsoever of the Mexican intentionally doping.

The WBC, USADA and WADA (which covers lots of sports, not just boxing) subsequently increased the threshold for testing positive for clenbuterol, because it was deemed impossible to determine whether failed tests were due to ingesting contaminated meat or genuine doping.

They also felt that is was unreasonable to assume that athletes, especially those residing in Mexico and China, could avoid consuming contaminated meat that contained traces of clenbuterol (since that drug isn't globally banned in livestock farming).

Under the new/currently existing policy rules, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance or served a suspension, which means he would have almost certainly engaged in the GGG rematch much earlier.

For the record, WADA isn’t directly affiliated with VADA – their rules aren’t the same.

WADA deals with all sports, not just boxing, and them changing their rules had nothing whatsoever to do with Canelo.

Alvarez was training in his native Mexico when the positive test was discovered. Alvarez twice failed tests, on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, both for trace amounts of the drug. Both the Feb. 17 sample and the Feb. 20 sample were received at the lab on Feb. 21.

Canelo failed TWO tests. They weren't collected on the same day.

To say Canelo didn't do anything wrong now the rules have changed is laughable, and pathetic. He was guilty, and you are once again caught in a lie, that you won't admit.

apollo creed wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 14:02

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 10:36

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 12:01
I expressed several opinions within the same post - you just didn't bother to read them.

You just want to attack and insult me, out-of-the-blue, for no damn reason!

What do you want me to say about a video posted April 2018?

In terms of Golovkin's words, he claims that Canelo "did something wrong", but according to today's rules, he hasn't.

I can't be bothered spending more time on this discussion, but if you need a history lesson to remind you of all the facts... then I'll resurrect an old post of mine to educate you on real-world historical reality:

Alvarez was training in his native Mexico when the positive test was discovered. Alvarez twice failed tests, on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, both for trace amounts of the drug. Both the Feb. 17 sample and the Feb. 20 sample were received at the lab on Feb. 21.

Canelo failed TWO tests. They weren't collected on the same day.

To say Canelo didn't do anything wrong now the rules have changed is laughable, and pathetic. He was guilty, and you are once again caught in a lie, that you won't admit.

Thats true facts but eo is a person with HPD that is gibberishing his own reality.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 14:31

apollo creed wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 14:02

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 10:36

Alvarez was training in his native Mexico when the positive test was discovered. Alvarez twice failed tests, on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, both for trace amounts of the drug. Both the Feb. 17 sample and the Feb. 20 sample were received at the lab on Feb. 21.

Canelo failed TWO tests. They weren't collected on the same day.

To say Canelo didn't do anything wrong now the rules have changed is laughable, and pathetic. He was guilty, and you are once again caught in a lie, that you won't admit.

Thats true facts but eo is a person with HPD that is gibberishing his own reality.

Definitely what I would call a kook.

People need to remember to not hide their own opinions, because they are just that, and don't need to be based on facts. It's when folks hide behind a false narrative that include a lie or stupid spin, that gets you ridiculed.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 10:36To say Canelo didn't do anything wrong now the rules have changed is laughable, and pathetic. He was guilty, and you are once again caught in a lie, that you won't admit.