John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 10:21
When I think of John Ruiz I just think 'average HW' yet he had so many title shots, why was that?
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Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 10:25
Don King and his special relationship with the WBA. Simple as that really.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 10:30
That's right. King awarded Johnny with biased judges and referees. The huggin' man should have been DQed for the excessive holding on many occasions and had a bunch of dodgy scores. His success had suddenly been over, when Don found the new cash cow in the circus tallman, who was selling well to the German idiots.Billy Tully wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 10:25 Don King and his special relationship with the WBA. Simple as that really.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 10:45
He only fought for the WBA belt didn't he?
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 13:17
Felt especially bad after such a crazy career when Golota easily outpointed him only to get robbed.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 14:45
He challenged for the IBO title and lost. He did win a WBC title eliminator fight but never fought for it.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:36
He developed a style that was far from fan friendly, but it worked for him
He accomplished more than many who had way more talent.
He accomplished more than many who had way more talent.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 16:01
"Accomplished" meaning he got more chances and more breaks than just almost anyone who ever fought.
As mentioned, referees usually let him get away with the excessive hugging. One punch and a clinch. One punch and a clinch. Repeat. This made rounds hard to score and gave him a 50-50 chance against a superior opponent; if the judging was fair.
He got breaks from the judges.
He got one title opportunity after another.
He represents a lot of what has been bad about boxing.
As mentioned, referees usually let him get away with the excessive hugging. One punch and a clinch. One punch and a clinch. Repeat. This made rounds hard to score and gave him a 50-50 chance against a superior opponent; if the judging was fair.
He got breaks from the judges.
He got one title opportunity after another.
He represents a lot of what has been bad about boxing.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 21:28
Have you seen Wlad Klitschko? Hug Jab hug jab.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 16:01 "Accomplished" meaning he got more chances and more breaks than just almost anyone who ever fought.
As mentioned, referees usually let him get away with the excessive hugging. One punch and a clinch. One punch and a clinch. Repeat. This made rounds hard to score and gave him a 50-50 chance against a superior opponent; if the judging was fair.
He got breaks from the judges.
He got one title opportunity after another.
He represents a lot of what has been bad about boxing.
Not fan friendly but it worked for him
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 21:32
another john who just loved to hug and spread the love
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 22:23
He mastered and improved Jack Johnson's style. Underrated virtuoso of the form. He will be appreciated many years hence.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 22:26
Klit at least KOed them eventually. However, he could be easily DQed in the fight vs Povetkin.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 21:28Have you seen Wlad Klitschko? Hug Jab hug jab.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 16:01 "Accomplished" meaning he got more chances and more breaks than just almost anyone who ever fought.
As mentioned, referees usually let him get away with the excessive hugging. One punch and a clinch. One punch and a clinch. Repeat. This made rounds hard to score and gave him a 50-50 chance against a superior opponent; if the judging was fair.
He got breaks from the judges.
He got one title opportunity after another.
He represents a lot of what has been bad about boxing.
Not fan friendly but it worked for him
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 22:44
The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.DrDuke wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:26Klit at least KOed them eventually. However, he could be easily DQed in the fight vs Povetkin.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 21:28Have you seen Wlad Klitschko? Hug Jab hug jab.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 16:01 "Accomplished" meaning he got more chances and more breaks than just almost anyone who ever fought.
As mentioned, referees usually let him get away with the excessive hugging. One punch and a clinch. One punch and a clinch. Repeat. This made rounds hard to score and gave him a 50-50 chance against a superior opponent; if the judging was fair.
He got breaks from the judges.
He got one title opportunity after another.
He represents a lot of what has been bad about boxing.
Not fan friendly but it worked for him
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 22:52
Nah, the Klit-Pov was still more exciting, but for the Russian fans only, because Povetkin had his brother in the corner, who was shouting out silly stuff like: "Sasha, hit this motherf*cker" and "F*ck the referee" (just like Ruiz' coach, lol), so that it was heard during the translation.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:44The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.DrDuke wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:26Klit at least KOed them eventually. However, he could be easily DQed in the fight vs Povetkin.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 21:28
Have you seen Wlad Klitschko? Hug Jab hug jab.
Not fan friendly but it worked for him
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 07:17
Klit/Povetkin was outrageous. Flagrant corruption and favouring of the A-side.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:44The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.DrDuke wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:26Klit at least KOed them eventually. However, he could be easily DQed in the fight vs Povetkin.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 21:28
Have you seen Wlad Klitschko? Hug Jab hug jab.
Not fan friendly but it worked for him
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 11:22
Anyway, side-B didn't look deserving much there. Povetkin was prepared only to slug.Billy Tully wrote: ↑14 Jul 2022, 07:17Klit/Povetkin was outrageous. Flagrant corruption and favouring of the A-side.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:44The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 13:15
John Ruiz should have been disqualified every time when employing his usual fighting style in the boxing ring.
- Chuck Johnston
- Chuck Johnston
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 13:24
The complaint from Ruiz when Jones humiliated him was that the ref 'didn't let him fight his fight'.
Nor should he have!
Nor should he have!
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 14:26
Couldn't stand him. My favorite of his fights was vs Tua. 
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 14:29
The fight was in Moscow right? I doubt they were showing any favoritism to the Non-Russian fighter in Russia.Billy Tully wrote: ↑14 Jul 2022, 07:17Klit/Povetkin was outrageous. Flagrant corruption and favouring of the A-side.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:44The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Wlad was just better. They did deduct a point from him at some point I recall. Which was the only point he lost in the fight.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 16:32
Did anyone in the history of boxing have a funnier manager-trainer ?
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 16:35
Did he earn proper money? Like he def should have earned at least 20 million in his pocket
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 18:22
Russians consider Ukranians Russian. Ukraine is a Lenin invention. Nevertheless, re-watch the fight to remove all doubt. If you can stomach it. The reffing is among the most corrupt I've ever seen. Wlad should have been warned multiple times then disqualified.gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 14:29The fight was in Moscow right? I doubt they were showing any favoritism to the Non-Russian fighter in Russia.Billy Tully wrote: ↑14 Jul 2022, 07:17Klit/Povetkin was outrageous. Flagrant corruption and favouring of the A-side.tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 22:44
The Povetkin fight was the worst display of holding I can remember.
That fight made Ruiz fights look exciting
Wlad was just better. They did deduct a point from him at some point I recall. Which was the only point he lost in the fight.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 18:46
He was warned multiple times, and then had a point deducted. The holding decreased significantly after the point deduction. So no he shouldn't have been disqualified.Billy Tully wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 18:22Russians consider Ukranians Russian. Ukraine is a Lenin invention. Nevertheless, re-watch the fight to remove all doubt. If you can stomach it. The reffing is among the most corrupt I've ever seen. Wlad should have been warned multiple times then disqualified.gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022, 14:29The fight was in Moscow right? I doubt they were showing any favoritism to the Non-Russian fighter in Russia.Billy Tully wrote: ↑14 Jul 2022, 07:17
Klit/Povetkin was outrageous. Flagrant corruption and favouring of the A-side.
Wlad was just better. They did deduct a point from him at some point I recall. Which was the only point he lost in the fight.
Re: John Ruiz
Posted: 24 Jul 2022, 20:47
He was an overachiever.