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Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October?
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 14:40
by Perkin Warbeck
Helenius is easy to hit, this likely will be an easy fight for Wilder.
Frank Sanchez would have been a nightmare for Wilder.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 14:54
by gilgamesh
Helenius is a solid comeback opponent for Wilder.
Better than Chisora. Though Helenius wouldn't be bad for Chisora either. That'd probably be the better fight actually, but I can see why they want a guy like this for Wilder's comeback.
If I were his manager I'd do Helenius, Chisora and maybe Kownacki all right in a row within a year. Just to get him back out there, and back in the groove. Those guys would all be tailor made for him.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:07
by CMCanavessi
Nice fight, good for both fighters.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:13
by joshj909
Winnable for Helenius if he can rough Wilder up early but the moment he gets hits hard you know Helenius isn't going to come back from behind.
I've just read that they're sparring partners... Good sign.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 22:47
by DrDuke
Good fight, as both are hittable and can bang. Yet Wilder seems to have a better chin and much more guts, so he's a favorite. Helenius is better skilled, but he has been broken after suffering adversity much more often. Anyway, nothing will be surprising here.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 00:03
by Lackeos
Feels like a fairly easy win for Wilder. But totally excusable considering that he's coming off a KO loss.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 02:08
by Sweet Dick Willie
This is the fight I've been waiting for. And Helenius will win... Åland!
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 23:37
by nmhz
Nice to see Wilder back in the ring and competing at the same level as he did with the WBC belt
But in all fairness it is a comeback fight and I wouldn't have expected much else. Lets hope after this he mixes it up with some of the top 10
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 02:25
by HomicideHenry
Kind of strange because Helenius was the chief sparring partner for Wilder in the last Tyson Fury fight, and the fact that Helenius is #1 in the WBA which you would think would only threaten his chances of getting a title shot.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 02:37
by DrDuke
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:25
Kind of strange because Helenius was the chief sparring partner for Wilder in the last Tyson Fury fight, and the fact that Helenius is #1 in the WBA which you would think would only threaten his chances of getting a title shot.
Helenius isn't in the right condition to wait for the shot. He should grab every big opportunity at this age, while he's still credible.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 02:39
by HomicideHenry
DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:37
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:25
Kind of strange because Helenius was the chief sparring partner for Wilder in the last Tyson Fury fight, and the fact that Helenius is #1 in the WBA which you would think would only threaten his chances of getting a title shot.
Helenius isn't in the right condition to wait for the shot. He should grab every big opportunity at this age, while he's still credible.
All the more reason in my view to wait for the shot. When is he ever going to get the chance again considering his age and all the wear and tear on his body? I know if it was me they would have to pay me a tremendous amount of money to let that kind of opportunity slip out of my hands knowing most likely you would just be cannon fodder for Wilder.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 04:50
by chinarich
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:25
Kind of strange because Helenius was the chief sparring partner for Wilder in the last Tyson Fury fight, and the fact that Helenius is #1 in the WBA which you would think would only threaten his chances of getting a title shot.
Fighters waste a large chunk of their careers waiting for WBA title shots as the org continually ties themselves in legal knots as a result of all their various shenanigans…
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 05:20
by gregregegg
Heli will get horrifically KOd in a round or 2. Prime for the taking, was hoping a DDD type would get the scalp as it would be a good name for him. But fits the wilder mold, decent, but not good….
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 06:26
by JxhDel.
Not going to be a walk in the park for Wilder, Helenius can bang, has durability, he is equally tall and strong, plus can boxe. Good comeback fight for Wilder, hoping to see another spectacular stoppage.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 09:09
by pound per pound
Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 14:40
Helenius is easy to hit, this likely will be an easy fight for Wilder.
Frank Sanchez would have been a nightmare for Wilder.
Wilder is being very careful to pick on a 38 year old Helenius who lost to fringe contenders the and was years ago.
Why not fight a contender even on Frank Sanchez level? Wilder isn't going anywhere, The moment he fights a top ten raked ring magazine opponent his age ( 36 ) or younger will be his last.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 12:53
by Enlightened-One
Robert Helenius is a bit of a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" type character.
When he's having a bad day at the office, he is terrible, but on a good day, Helenius is capable of 'spoiling the apple cart.'
Wilder should win this fight, but if 'The Bronze Bomber' has become gun-shy, due to being pummeled twice by Tyson Fury, then the American might end up slipping on a banana skin.
It's a fight that Wilder SHOULD win easily, but an upset is very feasible indeed.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 13:34
by Bard of Boxrec
Zero chance of an upset, wilder will win inside 3.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 14:09
by Kronkpride
Helenius will win every round easily until he gets caught flush and then it is lights out.
I like the fight for both guys. Helenius needs to take this opportunity as another this big may never come and he can be KO'd by lesser guys too if he went that route. This is a very good comeback for Wilder against a guy with size and credible power. I am surprised a bit Wilder chose this high of a level of opponent. But I am very happy he did. I will watch this fight for sure. It is a very interesting matchup.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 14:35
by pound per pound
Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:09
Helenius will win every round easily until he gets caught flush and then it is lights out.
I like the fight for both guys. Helenius needs to take this opportunity as another this big may never come and he can be KO'd by lesser guys too if he went that route. This is a very good comeback for Wilder against a guy with size and credible power. I am surprised a bit Wilder chose this high of a level of opponent. But I am very happy he did. I will watch this fight for sure. It is a very interesting matchup.
A high level opponent? Do you mean by being 38 and 6'6"+ then yes. Wilder doesn't fight high level opponents unless it for a title shot, then he losses.
Maybe years ago Helenius was a top ten opponent. I have little interest in this fight. A has been meets a never was, with the has been not being very good. Wilder has been belt milking the system in all his fights except for Fury for years.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 17:27
by Kronkpride
pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:35
Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:09
Helenius will win every round easily until he gets caught flush and then it is lights out.
I like the fight for both guys. Helenius needs to take this opportunity as another this big may never come and he can be KO'd by lesser guys too if he went that route. This is a very good comeback for Wilder against a guy with size and credible power. I am surprised a bit Wilder chose this high of a level of opponent. But I am very happy he did. I will watch this fight for sure. It is a very interesting matchup.
A high level opponent? Do you mean by being 38 and 6'6"+ then yes. Wilder doesn't fight high level opponents unless it for a title shot, then he losses.
Maybe years ago Helenius was a top ten opponent. I have little interest in this fight. A has been meets a never was, with the has been not being very good. Wilder has been belt milking the system in all his fights except for Fury for years.
This high of a level opponent. He could face a much lesser guy in his comeback. The big money bouts for him are against UK guys and he could get them without taking any risk. Helenius is somewhat dangerous, the stronger man, and a pretty good comeback opponent.
Wilder has a fairly legit draw against the best man in the world. I scored it for Fury but he was mere seconds from losing and never getting the other 2 fights. Yes he was fresh off coming back from his cocaine slob days but he was still Tyson Fury. Nobody else in HW boxing today outside of Fury has a better result than Wilder on their resume. AJ has never come close to achieving anything in the vicinity of Wilder retaining his title vs Fury. Wilder to me is still the #2 man at HW.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 18:00
by adislav123
Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 17:27
pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:35
Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:09
Helenius will win every round easily until he gets caught flush and then it is lights out.
I like the fight for both guys. Helenius needs to take this opportunity as another this big may never come and he can be KO'd by lesser guys too if he went that route. This is a very good comeback for Wilder against a guy with size and credible power. I am surprised a bit Wilder chose this high of a level of opponent. But I am very happy he did. I will watch this fight for sure. It is a very interesting matchup.
A high level opponent? Do you mean by being 38 and 6'6"+ then yes. Wilder doesn't fight high level opponents unless it for a title shot, then he losses.
Maybe years ago Helenius was a top ten opponent. I have little interest in this fight. A has been meets a never was, with the has been not being very good. Wilder has been belt milking the system in all his fights except for Fury for years.
This high of a level opponent. He could face a much lesser guy in his comeback. The big money bouts for him are against UK guys and he could get them without taking any risk. Helenius is somewhat dangerous, the stronger man, and a pretty good comeback opponent.
Wilder has a fairly legit draw against the best man in the world. I scored it for Fury but he was mere seconds from losing and never getting the other 2 fights. Yes he was fresh off coming back from his cocaine slob days but he was still Tyson Fury. Nobody else in HW boxing today outside of Fury has a better result than Wilder on their resume. AJ has never come close to achieving anything in the vicinity of Wilder retaining his title vs Fury. Wilder to me is still the #2 man at HW.
if u think that first fight was a draw anywhere else than on the corrupt judge's combined scorecards... well think again.
fury got caught twice so he definitely lost those rounds. you can both give them to wilder 10 - 8.
still you don't come close to a draw as fury won all the other rounds. without any doubt.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 18:18
by KiwiRider
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:39
DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:37
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 02:25
Kind of strange because Helenius was the chief sparring partner for Wilder in the last Tyson Fury fight, and the fact that Helenius is #1 in the WBA which you would think would only threaten his chances of getting a title shot.
Helenius isn't in the right condition to wait for the shot. He should grab every big opportunity at this age, while he's still credible.
All the more reason in my view to wait for the shot. When is he ever going to get the chance again considering his age and all the wear and tear on his body? I know if it was me they would have to pay me a tremendous amount of money to let that kind of opportunity slip out of my hands knowing most likely you would just be cannon fodder for Wilder.
After sparring with Wilder, based on that, possibly he truly believes he can beat him?
Helenius is a fairly clued up bloke, and I haven't read of him ducking anyone, but I would have to check in with EO on that for clarification
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 18:32
by bradinho
Typical can't please all the people all the time, it's a good fight that's all, can't always fight the best. Get active, stay active fight 3 times a year but don't duck anyone, should fight him instead! Make your minds up.
Watch the fight or don't. A fight is better than no fight. What you supposed to do, poll the fans to see Who you should fight next ?
Hang on .... Maybe I'm onto something
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 18:33
by bradinho
Typical can't please all the people all the time, it's a good fight that's all, can't always fight the best. Get active, stay active fight 3 times a year but don't duck anyone, should fight him instead! Make your minds up.
Watch the fight or don't. A fight is better than no fight. What you supposed to do, poll the fans to see Who you should fight next ?
Hang on .... Maybe I'm onto something
Re: Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius in October
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 19:33
by Bandog
adislav123 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 18:00
Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 17:27
pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:35
A high level opponent? Do you mean by being 38 and 6'6"+ then yes. Wilder doesn't fight high level opponents unless it for a title shot, then he losses.
Maybe years ago Helenius was a top ten opponent. I have little interest in this fight. A has been meets a never was, with the has been not being very good. Wilder has been belt milking the system in all his fights except for Fury for years.
This high of a level opponent. He could face a much lesser guy in his comeback. The big money bouts for him are against UK guys and he could get them without taking any risk. Helenius is somewhat dangerous, the stronger man, and a pretty good comeback opponent.
Wilder has a fairly legit draw against the best man in the world. I scored it for Fury but he was mere seconds from losing and never getting the other 2 fights. Yes he was fresh off coming back from his cocaine slob days but he was still Tyson Fury. Nobody else in HW boxing today outside of Fury has a better result than Wilder on their resume. AJ has never come close to achieving anything in the vicinity of Wilder retaining his title vs Fury. Wilder to me is still the #2 man at HW.
if u think that first fight was a draw anywhere else than on the corrupt judge's combined scorecards... well think again.
fury got caught twice so he definitely lost those rounds. you can both give them to wilder 10 - 8.
still you don't come close to a draw as fury won all the other rounds. without any doubt.
Wilder deserved to win the fight by KO, regardless of being outboxed. No where in history has anything happened like it. If you have a comparison, I'm all ears.
Wilder not deserving a draw is a moot point, because the fight should have been waved off. The ref should never be allowed to referee a championship fight ever again.