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1okstcsb wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 15:52 Lots of them, Stephen Fulton was 19-13, Jermell Charlo was 2-2, Jermall Charlo was Winless 0-2 as an Amateur. Canelo did NOT have an Amateur Fight (All These, Source Boxrec)
Almost all of them had better records as Professionals and MOST of them fought more Good Fighters as Amateurs then they have as Pro's Example Ryan Garcia fought Haney Multiple times, Shakur Stevenson, Vergil Ortiz and others far better than the 3 best he has fought as A Professional L. Campbell, Tagoe and Fortuna are the only 3 good fighters he has fought as a Pro.

littlepug wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 15:56 There will be loads of these, don’t think Duke McKenzie had a very good am career.

bennie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 07:55

littlepug wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 15:56 There will be loads of these, don’t think Duke McKenzie had a very good am career.

His schoolboy and junior record is forgettable but Duke beat some good men on the way to the ABA semi-finals in 1981, where he was outscored by talented young Welshman Dai Williams, who then lost to Keith Wallace in the flyweight final on a majority decision. Williams turned pro afterwards and had every move in the book but as soon as he got hit with a big shot, he crumbled.
Duke tried again in 1982 and was outpointed by Steve Nolan in a messy London final. Duke spent the three rounds clutching at every opportunity. He did box for Young England a few times, winning at least one, but again did too much spoiling. Just before turning pro with Mickey Duff, McKenzie scored a clean knockout of good Welshman Brian Ahmed, which is worth a mention, Ahmed was out for several minutes. Duff, by the way didn't want to sign Duke but the fighter kept turning up at Duff's office in Wardour Street until Duff relented.
Duke's brothers Dudley and Clinton, were brilliant amateurs.

littlepug wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 11:02

bennie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 07:55

littlepug wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 15:56 There will be loads of these, don’t think Duke McKenzie had a very good am career.

His schoolboy and junior record is forgettable but Duke beat some good men on the way to the ABA semi-finals in 1981, where he was outscored by talented young Welshman Dai Williams, who then lost to Keith Wallace in the flyweight final on a majority decision. Williams turned pro afterwards and had every move in the book but as soon as he got hit with a big shot, he crumbled.
Duke tried again in 1982 and was outpointed by Steve Nolan in a messy London final. Duke spent the three rounds clutching at every opportunity. He did box for Young England a few times, winning at least one, but again did too much spoiling. Just before turning pro with Mickey Duff, McKenzie scored a clean knockout of good Welshman Brian Ahmed, which is worth a mention, Ahmed was out for several minutes. Duff, by the way didn't want to sign Duke but the fighter kept turning up at Duff's office in Wardour Street until Duff relented.
Duke's brothers Dudley and Clinton, were brilliant amateurs.

Cheers, I knew he was the lesser of his brothers in the ams but he was still quite decent himself then, heard him tell the Duff story in the Tris Dixon interview.

bennie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 11:45

littlepug wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 11:02

bennie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 07:55

His schoolboy and junior record is forgettable but Duke beat some good men on the way to the ABA semi-finals in 1981, where he was outscored by talented young Welshman Dai Williams, who then lost to Keith Wallace in the flyweight final on a majority decision. Williams turned pro afterwards and had every move in the book but as soon as he got hit with a big shot, he crumbled.
Duke tried again in 1982 and was outpointed by Steve Nolan in a messy London final. Duke spent the three rounds clutching at every opportunity. He did box for Young England a few times, winning at least one, but again did too much spoiling. Just before turning pro with Mickey Duff, McKenzie scored a clean knockout of good Welshman Brian Ahmed, which is worth a mention, Ahmed was out for several minutes. Duff, by the way didn't want to sign Duke but the fighter kept turning up at Duff's office in Wardour Street until Duff relented.
Duke's brothers Dudley and Clinton, were brilliant amateurs.

Cheers, I knew he was the lesser of his brothers in the ams but he was still quite decent himself then, heard him tell the Duff story in the Tris Dixon interview.

Duke really hit it off with Mickey and the two remained friends right up to Mickey's death in 2014. Duff was never known for the big financial gesture but he would leave tickets at Heathrow for Duke to fly over for the big fights in Las Vegas.

littlepug wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 13:03

bennie wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 11:45

littlepug wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 11:02
Cheers, I knew he was the lesser of his brothers in the ams but he was still quite decent himself then, heard him tell the Duff story in the Tris Dixon interview.

Duke really hit it off with Mickey and the two remained friends right up to Mickey's death in 2014. Duff was never known for the big financial gesture but he would leave tickets at Heathrow for Duke to fly over for the big fights in Las Vegas.

I don’t know if you saw the Tris Dixon interview but Duke talked about a train crash which spilled over into his garden a few years back, it sounded pretty gruesome and I think he said he needed counselling afterwards.

1okstcsb wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 15:52Canelo did NOT have an Amateur Fight (All These, Source Boxrec)

Noxy wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 10:48 Paddy Barnes lost his first 15 fights.