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As Lomachenko looks for challengers. I think the next guy to beat him going forward won't get full credit. As of right now do you consider him to still be in his prime.

Prime? No. He's been impressive in his last two fights, but he had an (extremely) extensive amateur career, isn't young, and has suffered from injuries (shoulder in the Lopez fight) and inactivity (Ukraine situation).

He definitely isn't prime. If Haney (or whoever) were to comprehensively beat him though, he'd/they'd still deserve credit - albeit not as much, as Haney is huge at 135, and Loma is above his natural weight class.

no not in his prime, looked good last two fights though. it would still look good beating him

135 was never his ideal weight i dont think

feel like true prime loma was vs walters or ringo...

his style is so relient on speed and reflexes that it probably wont age very well... he will know what to do, but if your body lags a bit you can never cut those angles.

Still a top 5 lightweight (mabey the best), and a top 3 superfeather (mabey the best)...

The teo preformance was the weirdest thing iv ever seen. I know he had some shoulder problems, but really does not explain why he didnt throw a punch for the first 6 rounds...I Remember watching it with an MMA fan mate, and id just spent about 3 hours talking loma up, then he landed about 20 punches toatal in the first 6 rounds.... If compubox is correct he was throwin 1 punch ever 18 seconds for the first half of the fight.... how do you do that. landing 1 every 36second...

Lomachenko must be around the end of his physical prime and his skills are so developed that it would be very difficult to improve on past form. He could adjust his strategy in upcoming fights, but he cannot get faster or more well coordinated. Time flies unfortunately and he is already mid-30's, but he is still one of the most capable in the 130-135 range.

I wouldn't call him prime, but I think he's closer to prime than he is a shot fighter. He's still a top 3-5 fighter at 135 and don't see anyone beating him easily, if at all.

Teo was a bit lucky Loma didn't step on the gas earlier, but that I feel had a lot to do with Teos jab and physicality that left Loma reluctant to throw in the first half of their fight. Loma seemed generally scared of getting clipped by a fresh Teofimo early in that fight and it wasn't until Loma noticed Teofimo fading a bit that he decided to throw punches.

How can you know? His recent fights were against the lower level opponents. Anyway, even during his championship times he was overrated. Still he gotta be credible.

Have to see him against a top guy to know. Fighters age differently depending on a number of both physical and mental factors. Also the opponent's style can make them look prime, or not. With the best footwork in the game and quality lifestyle, he'll at least look it for a few years yet.

chucktaylor wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 20:24 Lomachenko must be around the end of his physical prime and his skills are so developed that it would be very difficult to improve on past form. He could adjust his strategy in upcoming fights, but he cannot get faster or more well coordinated. Time flies unfortunately and he is already mid-30's, but he is still one of the most capable in the 130-135 range.

I would rather see him back down at 130. Lightweights are a bit too big for him.

He can still perform at the top level.

Probably past his prime though.

Yes well past his prime.

Should have a tune up fight before fighting Haney.

As some one said here past his prime can still perform well , I agree.

Has to get out of war zone in one piece..

Past his prime but still one of the best at 135. I think he could beat just about anyone in the division.

Of course he isn't.

No, he is not. One of best boxing talents in last decades wasted best prime years to Commey, Nakatani, Campbell and Crolla. Good job

Vasyl Lomachenko is the oldest fighter within the top-twenty ratings at 135lbs.

He’ll be six years older than the mathematical average calculated from the top-twenty world-rated lightweights.

There’s a possibility he might fight in October, and if he does, he would have endured almost a years’ worth of inactivity.

And if his next fight is in October, then he wouldn’t have won a world title bout for at least 38 months.

Therefore, when you consider all these stats, coupled with using the proverbial eyeball test to his most recent outings, then I don’t really understand how anyone could possibly suggest that Vasyl Lomachenko might still be in his “prime.”

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:33 Vasyl Lomachenko is the oldest fighter within the top-twenty ratings at 135lbs.

He’ll be six years older than the mathematical average calculated from the top-twenty world-rated lightweights.

There’s a possibility he might fight in October, and if he does, he would have endured almost a years’ worth of inactivity.

And if his next fight is in October, then he wouldn’t have won a world title bout for at least 38 months.

Therefore, when you consider all these stats, coupled with using the proverbial eyeball test to his most recent outings, then I don’t really understand how anyone could possibly suggest that Vasyl Lomachenko might still be in his “prime.”

I agree with that you're saying, but age doesn't have anything to do with prime does it?

I do think he's past his prime.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:33 Vasyl Lomachenko is the oldest fighter within the top-twenty ratings at 135lbs.

He’ll be six years older than the mathematical average calculated from the top-twenty world-rated lightweights.

There’s a possibility he might fight in October, and if he does, he would have endured almost a years’ worth of inactivity.

And if his next fight is in October, then he wouldn’t have won a world title bout for at least 38 months.

Therefore, when you consider all these stats, coupled with using the proverbial eyeball test to his most recent outings, then I don’t really understand how anyone could possibly suggest that Vasyl Lomachenko might still be in his “prime.”

I agree with that you're saying, but age doesn't have anything to do with prime does it?

I do think he's past his prime.

I feel that age is relevant when fighters reach their mid-thirties, especially the lighter weight classes.

They usually find it harder to dig deep and go to the well at that age.

Also, fighters that are at least in their mid-thirties find it far more difficult to pick up the pace when they’re behind on the scorecards and they are often unable to compete for every minute of every round, and instead resort to fighting in spurts.

But most veteran fighters can still look good when they’re facing over-matched opposition, because they can dictate the pace.

I’ll concede that there are always exceptions to every general rule though, meaning that there’ll inevitably be one or two fighters that defy norms.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 06:01

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:33 Vasyl Lomachenko is the oldest fighter within the top-twenty ratings at 135lbs.

He’ll be six years older than the mathematical average calculated from the top-twenty world-rated lightweights.

There’s a possibility he might fight in October, and if he does, he would have endured almost a years’ worth of inactivity.

And if his next fight is in October, then he wouldn’t have won a world title bout for at least 38 months.

Therefore, when you consider all these stats, coupled with using the proverbial eyeball test to his most recent outings, then I don’t really understand how anyone could possibly suggest that Vasyl Lomachenko might still be in his “prime.”

I agree with that you're saying, but age doesn't have anything to do with prime does it?

I do think he's past his prime.

I feel that age is relevant when fighters reach their mid-thirties, especially the lighter weight classes.

They usually find it harder to dig deep and go to the well at that age.

Also, fighters that are at least in their mid-thirties find it far more difficult to pick up the pace when they’re behind on the scorecards and they are often unable to compete for every minute of every round, and instead resort to fighting in spurts.

But most veteran fighters can still look good when they’re facing over-matched opposition, because they can dictate the pace.

I’ll concede that there are always exceptions to every general rule though, meaning that there’ll inevitably be one or two fighters that defy norms.

Age and being in your prime are almost synonymous. Few fighters peak and reach their prime beyond ages 23-30. They usually hit it right in that range somewhere.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 06:01

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:33 Vasyl Lomachenko is the oldest fighter within the top-twenty ratings at 135lbs.

He’ll be six years older than the mathematical average calculated from the top-twenty world-rated lightweights.

There’s a possibility he might fight in October, and if he does, he would have endured almost a years’ worth of inactivity.

And if his next fight is in October, then he wouldn’t have won a world title bout for at least 38 months.

Therefore, when you consider all these stats, coupled with using the proverbial eyeball test to his most recent outings, then I don’t really understand how anyone could possibly suggest that Vasyl Lomachenko might still be in his “prime.”

I agree with that you're saying, but age doesn't have anything to do with prime does it?

I do think he's past his prime.

I feel that age is relevant when fighters reach their mid-thirties, especially the lighter weight classes.

They usually find it harder to dig deep and go to the well at that age.

Also, fighters that are at least in their mid-thirties find it far more difficult to pick up the pace when they’re behind on the scorecards and they are often unable to compete for every minute of every round, and instead resort to fighting in spurts.

But most veteran fighters can still look good when they’re facing over-matched opposition, because they can dictate the pace.

I’ll concede that there are always exceptions to every general rule though, meaning that there’ll inevitably be one or two fighters that defy norms.

If I can just add making weight to your list EO.
Early 30's onwards, guys tend to struggle dropping and rehydrating weight without affecting chin and stamina. Obviously not all, it's a generalisation. But every book I've read from retired (non HW) fighters recalls greater struggling with weight at the tail end if their careers.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 15:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 06:01

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 05:37

I agree with that you're saying, but age doesn't have anything to do with prime does it?

I do think he's past his prime.

I feel that age is relevant when fighters reach their mid-thirties, especially the lighter weight classes.

They usually find it harder to dig deep and go to the well at that age.

Also, fighters that are at least in their mid-thirties find it far more difficult to pick up the pace when they’re behind on the scorecards and they are often unable to compete for every minute of every round, and instead resort to fighting in spurts.

But most veteran fighters can still look good when they’re facing over-matched opposition, because they can dictate the pace.

I’ll concede that there are always exceptions to every general rule though, meaning that there’ll inevitably be one or two fighters that defy norms.

Age and being in your prime are almost synonymous. Few fighters peak and reach their prime beyond ages 23-30. They usually hit it right in that range somewhere.

I know these outliers but Gabe Flores and Josue Vargas look done and not even mid 20's

Nah, his prime was at FW and SFW. His fight against GRJ was amazing, though. GRJ couldn't keep up with him even with that crazy speed. He also outboxed Rigondeaux and made him quit.

I don't think Haney has a chance in beating Lomachenko. His style is wrong here. No power and good luck outboxing a master. Lopez and Garcia both moved up, and off the top of my head, I don't think anyone beats Lomachenko at 135.

no well past it i think, Nicholas Walters fight was when he was in his prime

brilo33 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2022, 15:47 no well past it i think, Nicholas Walters fight was when he was in his prime

As mentioned earlier in the thread, I think Rigo was his peak.
Especially making him quit. You rarely get to see elite guys quit. It's almost unheard of.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Aug 2022, 16:10

brilo33 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2022, 15:47 no well past it i think, Nicholas Walters fight was when he was in his prime

As mentioned earlier in the thread, I think Rigo was his peak.
Especially making him quit. You rarely get to see elite guys quit. It's almost unheard of.

yea greg said it also, yea that demolition of opponents was something else his movement timing everything was on point ,he did turn pro quite latish really was it 25