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Both Joshua and Hearn have been saying he will next fight in December 2022.

Who would you like to see him fight?

It won't be Dubois or Joyce because of promotional differences. Wilder would not return so soon after his fight in October. The winner of Ruiz-Ortiz would likely want more time.

I think Dillian Whyte would want it, but might demand too much money. Bakole would be a very good opponent, as would Makhmudov (who would likely be willing to fight in December despite fighting in September. Zhang would make for a fairly interesting matchup. Miller would be okay.

Someone like Kabayel, Kossobutskiy or Wallin would likely be willing and not too dangerous.

I wonder if Filip Hrgović intentionally delivered a subpar performance against Zhilei Zhang to improve his chances of facing AJ?

Filip Hrgović would be a very good opponent for Anthony Joshua.

A very beatable hyped-up unbeaten heavyweight that holds mandatory challenger status and also boasts a superficially impressive knockout highlight reel/resume.

Filip Hrgović's name isn't included in the voting poll.

He was sure he deserved to win against Usyk so there is no need for a Chisora type tomato can to knock over.

He needs to build on what was a decent performance from him. Otto Wallin would be good if he can do a better job than Fury could.

tonyevs wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:21 He was sure he deserved to win against Usyk so there is no need for a Chisora type tomato can to knock over.

He needs to build on what was a decent performance from him. Otto Wallin would be good if he can do a better job than Fury could.

Chisora even at this stage in his career can not be called a tomato can. It is an insult to a very good fighter who has given his all.
I think Chisora would give Joshua some good rounds and is a very good name for a comeback.

Kabayel then a top 5-8 guy. Maybe even winner of Joyce/Parker.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:49 Kabayel then a top 5-8 guy. Maybe even winner of Joyce/Parker.

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:49 Kabayel then a top 5-8 guy. Maybe even winner of Joyce/Parker.

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:49 Kabayel then a top 5-8 guy. Maybe even winner of Joyce/Parker.

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

I'm not a big AJ fan. I personally think his personality is so fake and scripted.
I have enjoyed several of his fights. I am just thinking of what his team will do.
I can not see them throwing him to the wolves in the next 12-18 months. Unless it is a massive financial fight.
If they are really looking at 4 fights over 12 months he will have to pick his competition carefully

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

I'm not a big AJ fan. I personally think his personality is so fake and scripted.
I have enjoyed several of his fights. I am just thinking of what his team will do.
I can not see them throwing him to the wolves in the next 12-18 months. Unless it is a massive financial fight.
If they are really looking at 4 fights over 12 months he will have to pick his competition carefully

That's completely different than what I posted. I'm stating what I think he should do. His team is a completely different story. I don't think they ever thought they'd be in this position with him and have no f'n clue the best path for him. if it's 4 fights over 12 months, I reckon I like this path:
1 - Kabayel
2- Ali Eren Demirezen
3-Derek Chisora
4 - a belt holder if he gets through the first three.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:49 Kabayel then a top 5-8 guy. Maybe even winner of Joyce/Parker.

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

you are talking about aj like he's an average hw contender in terms of cash generation. he's one of the biggest draws of all time if you look at crowds and $$$, and him vs fury would still be a massively lucrative fight . have you seen the money aj brings in? he got splattered by ruiz then made like 50m his next fight

hrg should be on that list too

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:20

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

you are talking about aj like he's an average hw contender in terms of cash generation. he's one of the biggest draws of all time if you look at crowds and $$$, and him vs fury would still be a massively lucrative fight . have you seen the money aj brings in? he got splattered by ruiz then made like 50m his next fight

hrg should be on that list too

no Jam, I'm talking like he lost 3 of his last 4 fights.

he didnt actually

who is a bigger draw in the hw division today than aj? like maybe fury and then.....?

he's a massive star still, maybe being a yank you underestimate how big he is in the uk. he could fight anyone next and still sell out an arena

fyi - chisora , with 12 losses or whatever it is now, makes millions a fight here in the uk, josh is like 10x that

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:17I wonder if Filip Hrgović intentionally delivered a subpar performance against Zhilei Zhang to improve his chances of facing AJ?

Filip Hrgović would be a very good opponent for Anthony Joshua.

A very beatable hyped-up unbeaten heavyweight that holds mandatory challenger status and also boasts a superficially impressive knockout highlight reel/resume.

Filip Hrgović's name isn't included in the voting poll.

Because as IBF mandatory, Hrgovic won't risk his mandatory status against a dangerous heavyweight like Joshua.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:17I wonder if Filip Hrgović intentionally delivered a subpar performance against Zhilei Zhang to improve his chances of facing AJ?

Filip Hrgović would be a very good opponent for Anthony Joshua.

A very beatable hyped-up unbeaten heavyweight that holds mandatory challenger status and also boasts a superficially impressive knockout highlight reel/resume.

Filip Hrgović's name isn't included in the voting poll.

Because as IBF mandatory, Hrgovic won't risk his mandatory status against a dangerous heavyweight like Joshua.

boxing is mostly about money - why would he wait to get a shot at a belt usyk holds, and get beaten for way less money than he'd get for facing aj?

and if he thinks he beats usyk, surely he thinks he'd beat aj too, in which case why not do both and make way more money while at it?

hrg is dazn aligned too isnt he? it makes way more sense than most of those guys listed

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:31 he didnt actually

who is a bigger draw in the hw division today than aj? like maybe fury and then.....?

he's a massive star still, maybe being a yank you underestimate how big he is in the uk. he could fight anyone next and still sell out an arena

ok. Can't speak for UK fans, so I guess we'll see when the time comes. Just a guess, but I'd say he's barely over 50% of his popularity from couple of years ago. He's becoming a curiosity now. And I'm certain casuals flocked from the Adonis to Fury in recent times. When he lost to Ruiz, it was interesting to see how he'd respond. Now with two losses in a row to Usyk, his stock has dropped considerably. Is he still in the upper echelon of drawing? Maybe, and certainly in UK. Rest of the world? I doubt it but I can't know for certain. None of this has anything to do with what matchups I'd make for him moving forward.

as i said, chisora has 12 losses and makes millions a fight in the uk - joshua will still easily be very very lucrative fighter. he's been one of the biggest draws in boxing history, he's not suddenly gonna be a run of the mill attracation

and he didnt lose 3 of his last 4!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:41 as i said, chisora has 12 losses and makes millions a fight in the uk - joshua will still easily be very very lucrative fighter

and he didnt lose 3 of his last 4!

Yeah, 3 of 5. Forgot about old man Pulev!

How much he can make has nothing to do with who he should fight unless your looking for a cashout.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:42

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:41 as i said, chisora has 12 losses and makes millions a fight in the uk - joshua will still easily be very very lucrative fighter

and he didnt lose 3 of his last 4!

Yeah, 3 of 5. Forgot about old man Pulev!

How much he can make has nothing to do with who he should fight unless your looking for a cashout.

werent you just talking about 'significant monies' ? that's what i was responding to - there will be significant monies even if he fights his nan

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:20

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:54

Why the Parker Joyce winner? That is a risky fight that could be a loss. If he losses again so soon it would have to have financial ramifications.
If he is looking for 4 fights in the next year I can only see taking a big risk if a vacant belt or the Fury fight is offered.
I expect Chisora, Hughie, Maybe a rematch with Whyte or Ruiz as the next 3 or 4 fights

He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

you are talking about aj like he's an average hw contender in terms of cash generation. he's one of the biggest draws of all time if you look at crowds and $$$, and him vs fury would still be a massively lucrative fight . have you seen the money aj brings in? he got splattered by ruiz then made like 50m his next fight

hrg should be on that list too

No doubt he is the cash cow of the Heavyweight division. But how much of that cash cow would be left if he lost to the Parker Joyce winner in his next fight? If he was 1-4 in his last 5?
Would the fans still pay? Would he still sell out Wimbledon at that point?
Just questions.
I do not see them putting him in the biggest fights when the Chisora's of the world would still make him 30 million. That is all I am saying

oh i get you there - he can still make huge money vs guys he can comfortably beat, and i doubt they'll have him back in december vs too serious a threat

hrgovic or chisora are the type of guys id expect for that date

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:42

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:41 as i said, chisora has 12 losses and makes millions a fight in the uk - joshua will still easily be very very lucrative fighter

and he didnt lose 3 of his last 4!

Yeah, 3 of 5. Forgot about old man Pulev!

How much he can make has nothing to do with who he should fight unless your looking for a cashout.

werent you just talking about 'significant monies' ? that's what i was responding to - there will be significant monies even if he fights his nan

Yes, specific to fighting Fury. He'll need to have a couple of wins under his belt (one of which against a top 15) in order to make that fight more interesting AND lucrative outside of UK. As I said earlier, we'll see. I'm sure his fans would pay to see him vs anyone. I'm just saying I don't think he has as many as a couple of years ago. He still has oodles more than guys like Wilder I'm certain. But it's waning. I'm sure even you would agree with that.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:49

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:42

Yeah, 3 of 5. Forgot about old man Pulev!

How much he can make has nothing to do with who he should fight unless your looking for a cashout.

werent you just talking about 'significant monies' ? that's what i was responding to - there will be significant monies even if he fights his nan

Yes, specific to fighting Fury. He'll need to have a couple of wins under his belt (one of which against a top 15) in order to make that fight more interesting AND lucrative outside of UK. As I said earlier, we'll see. I'm sure his fans would pay to see him vs anyone. I'm just saying I don't think he has as many as a couple of years ago. He still has oodles more than guys like Wilder I'm certain. But it's waning. I'm sure even you would agree with that.

get him to destroy someone like chisora or hrgovic next, maybe he could do those back to back, and the hype machine will do its job on the masses (99 percent of whom are way more gullable than hardcore fans) to think he's beastly again

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:18

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:57
He'll need one fight to get his bearings back.

He'll need a major step up win to get back into a major fight. Fury won't fight AJ unless there was significant monies and right now there ain't none having lost 3 of 4 fights. and honestly, at this point, anyone in the top 15 poses some sort of risk to AJ. Sounds like you want him to be ultra careful and get that one last big payday.

I'm not a big AJ fan. I personally think his personality is so fake and scripted.
I have enjoyed several of his fights. I am just thinking of what his team will do.
I can not see them throwing him to the wolves in the next 12-18 months. Unless it is a massive financial fight.
If they are really looking at 4 fights over 12 months he will have to pick his competition carefully

That's completely different than what I posted. I'm stating what I think he should do. His team is a completely different story. I don't think they ever thought they'd be in this position with him and have no f'n clue the best path for him. if it's 4 fights over 12 months, I reckon I like this path:
1 - Kabayel
2- Ali Eren Demirezen
3-Derek Chisora
4 - a belt holder if he gets through the first three.

That is not a bad list of opponents. I would skip Kayabel maybe throw in Ajagba or Trevor Bryan. An easy confidence builder for first fight if they don't go with Chisora who would be my first pick. Chisora is tough and extremely popular it would be a big dollar fight with limited risk

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:51

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:49

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 14:43

werent you just talking about 'significant monies' ? that's what i was responding to - there will be significant monies even if he fights his nan

Yes, specific to fighting Fury. He'll need to have a couple of wins under his belt (one of which against a top 15) in order to make that fight more interesting AND lucrative outside of UK. As I said earlier, we'll see. I'm sure his fans would pay to see him vs anyone. I'm just saying I don't think he has as many as a couple of years ago. He still has oodles more than guys like Wilder I'm certain. But it's waning. I'm sure even you would agree with that.

get him to destroy someone like chisora or hrgovic next, maybe he could do those back to back, and the hype machine will do its job on the masses (99 percent of whom are way more gullable than hardcore fans) to think he's beastly again

Def if he blows someone up in short order like either of those two, he would be catapult right back where he was before. Folks want that. The BoxRec boards would be overflowing with what a turnaround AJ made and debating what significant change he must have made. Then he'll get steamrolled by Tyson or someone else and it'll be over. Wilder too will see the same fate for much less moolah!