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If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 06:19
by apollo creed
I think the big stake in this fight for Canelo is to be the first fighter that would stop Golovkin. Of course GGG is old and he may be stopped by Canelo.
Of course that stopping a fighter like GGG it would look good on paper but we know that G is an old fighter and you can't beat Father Time.
As a fight imo this is a poor matching, a cash out for G, a huge money grab for both sides, milking the game big time and I'd have liked to see Canelo fighting a younger guy like Benavidez or rematch Bivol.
Probably at this point old GGG would get stopped or beat up badly by Canelo. But who knows, maybe G still has enough gas in his tank to make the fight competitive for 12 rounds.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 07:32
by Ruthless-RKO
He was getting tagged a bit against Murata, but didn't seem like he was o his way down at any point.
Canelo isn't Murata.
If he drops GGG, I won't be impressed.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 08:01
by H8Usernames
This fight offers up a million excuses really.
Going up to lhw knocked the gas out of Can.
Can is past prime.
Ggg is past prime.
Kim K has covid.
Can drank too many cervezas while eating tainted beef.
I didn't watch Can vs GGG I or II and I certainly wont be watching III.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 09:03
by jamesmcdonnell
It wouldnt be at this stage, GGG is too old. At his age, the wheels usually start to fall off pretty rapido.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:17
by Thomastearns
If GGG gets stopped it he will have no reason left not to retire.
Stoppages after the age of 30 were always clear indicators that it was time to hang up the gloves.
Nowadays, even if 40 is the new 30 due to less fights, better diets and training, nevertheless Golovkin has had a fabulous career and what better way to go out than at the very top?
Of course if GGG somehow wins, a fourth Canelo fight then becomes possible.
Unlikely, but not impossible.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:32
by HomicideHenry
No because this third fight came a little too far down the line for my liking. Had it occurred not long after their rematch it would have been impressive. But that was quite some time ago. GGG is older and more easier to hit now, and really the only praise I can see being given in the fight is if he defies all expectations because virtually everybody out there believes Canelo will win the fight.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:48
by apollo creed
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 07:32
He was getting tagged a bit against Murata, but didn't seem like he was o his way down at any point.
Canelo isn't Murata.
If he drops GGG, I won't be impressed.
Well G had some ring rust and he is a slow starter. Murata was fresh for a few rounds and lets be honest that Murata is a good fighter. He won that Olympic gold medal for a reason.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:49
by apollo creed
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 09:03
It wouldnt be at this stage, GGG is too old. At his age, the wheels usually start to fall off pretty rapido.
true
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:52
by apollo creed
Thomastearns wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 14:17
If GGG gets stopped it he will have no reason left not to retire.
Stoppages after the age of 30 were always clear indicators that it was time to hang up the gloves.
Nowadays, even if 40 is the new 30 due to less fights, better diets and training, nevertheless Golovkin has had a fabulous career and what better way to go out than at the very top?
Of course if GGG somehow wins, a fourth Canelo fight then becomes possible.
Unlikely, but not impossible.
yeah, I think G would need to hang up after this fight, unless somehow they have another close fight.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 10 Sep 2022, 14:58
by apollo creed
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 14:32
No because this third fight came a little too far down the line for my liking.
Had it occurred not long after their rematch it would have been impressive. But that was quite some time ago. GGG is older and more easier to hit now, and really the only praise I can see being given in the fight is if he defies all expectations because virtually everybody out there believes Canelo will win the fight.
even in 2019 GGG was old. 37 y/o?
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 13 Sep 2022, 12:45
by Bandog
The age of GGG definitely taints a victory by Canelo, and also somewhat exploits Canelo's reluctance to rematch Bivol.
That said, I like GGG's chances to win. He may perform better at 168, who knows. I don't think he had to drain hard for 160, but even a couple late days in a rubber suit can sap energy. Judges may be less inclined to favor Canelo after his loss. We'll see. I'm picking GGG to win, but not betting.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 13 Sep 2022, 15:26
by pound per pound
apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 06:19
I think the big stake in this fight for Canelo is to be the first fighter that would stop Golovkin. Of course GGG is old and he may be stopped by Canelo.
Of course that stopping a fighter like GGG it would look good on paper but we know that G is an old fighter and you can't beat Father Time.
As a fight imo this is a poor matching, a cash out for G, a huge money grab for both sides, milking the game big time and I'd have liked to see Canelo fighting a younger guy like Benavidez or rematch Bivol.
Probably at this point old GGG would get stopped or beat up badly by Canelo. But who knows, maybe G still has enough gas in his tank to make the fight competitive for 12 rounds.
If the judges give GGG the decision, now that would be a big performance by them!
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 14 Sep 2022, 08:53
by apollo creed
Bandog wrote: ↑13 Sep 2022, 12:45
The age of GGG definitely taints a victory by Canelo, and also somewhat exploits Canelo's reluctance to rematch Bivol.
That said, I like GGG's chances to win. He may perform better at 168, who knows. I don't think he had to drain hard for 160, but even a couple late days in a rubber suit can sap energy. Judges may be less inclined to favor Canelo after his loss. We'll see. I'm picking GGG to win, but not betting.
Realistically Canelo is accustomed to 168 lbs and he is in his prime. I think Canelo would be too sharp, powerful and fast for old GGG. I mean G may look too slow and old. I hope I'm wrong but age is gonna play a major role in this fight.
Old G is not accustomed to 168, so I think he'd be even more slower. Probably G's trainer would throw in the towel as G would get too much punishement from Canelo. I could see that happening.
Cash out fight for G.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 14 Sep 2022, 12:15
by gilgamesh
It's mainly just a win he needs for himself as much as anything. In his heart he knows he's never beaten Golovkin. He needs to really beat him to put the issue to rest in his own mind.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 04:29
by apollo creed
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Sep 2022, 12:15
It's mainly just a win he needs for himself as much as anything. In his heart he knows he's never beaten Golovkin. He needs to really beat him to put the issue to rest in his own mind.
Yeah, probably he's mad that he could not beat a 36 / 37 y.o GGG. So now he's trying to finish the business with a 40 y.o GGG. Its a big money fight mockery.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 04:43
by Mexi-Box
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 09:20
by NateJR
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
I agree with this and to be honest the nature of their first 2 fights were alot like the Pacquaio/Marquez fights considering how close the fights were.
You could even say Marquez bit off more than GGG is against Canelo. Marquez also moved up in weight and the fact age normally catches up with the smaller fighters quicker than the higher weight classes.
I think GGG has a style that will always trouble Canelo. Great jab, great power and the ability to take a big shot. GGGs biggest weakness IMO is his midsection and the only time I seen GGG troubled against Canelo at all was by a body shot.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 10:56
by jamesmcdonnell
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
You never fail to produce utter garbage do you?
Beating GGG at this stage, and at his age, is not a legacy fight, not even if he stops him. It's GGG's last fight most likely, and he's over 40.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 17:10
by apollo creed
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 10:56
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
You never fail to produce utter garbage do you?
Beating GGG at this stage, and at his age, is not a legacy fight, not even if he stops him. It's GGG's last fight most likely, and he's over 40.
Thats very true. Beating a 40+ y/o fighter ain't no thing to brag about. Canelo is 32 , in his prime.
When G was 34 y/o, Canelo vacated his mw wbc strap avoiding his mandatory challenger in GGG, hiding behind poor opposition like Khan, Smith and JCCjr.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 15 Sep 2022, 21:42
by Mexi-Box
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 10:56
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
You never fail to produce utter garbage do you?
Beating GGG at this stage, and at his age, is not a legacy fight, not even if he stops him. It's GGG's last fight most likely, and he's over 40.
GGG is still beating everyone put in front of him, and he's given Canelo his toughest fights. And if GGG wins does it count by the way?
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 16 Sep 2022, 08:23
by apollo creed
Thats true bc GGG is so damn strong and tough even if he is old. There is a reason why Canelo could not beat a 35-36 y/o GGG. But now are 4 years since their last fight and G is even older. Its a big money grab.
40+ y/o GGG beating a prime 32 y/o Canelo would be an ATG achievement hands down! Even if G goes 12 full rounds vs Canelo would be a good performance.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 16 Sep 2022, 10:11
by Bandog
If GGG does win, which I think he has a good chance to do, how will Canelo handle it? Say judges or ref weren't fair?
Had to laugh at Freddie Roach's comments on Canelo having new muscles he lacked before, wondering how he got them. He said he wanted to visit that store. Maybe they sell clenelo beef?
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 16 Sep 2022, 10:41
by apollo creed
Bandog wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 10:11
If GGG does win, which I think he has a good chance to do, how will Canelo handle it?
Say judges or ref weren't fair?
Had to laugh at Freddie Roach's comments on Canelo having new muscles he lacked before, wondering how he got them.
He said he wanted to visit that store. Maybe they sell clenelo beef?
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 16 Sep 2022, 11:36
by gilgamesh
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 10:56
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
You never fail to produce utter garbage do you?
Beating GGG at this stage, and at his age, is not a legacy fight, not even if he stops him. It's GGG's last fight most likely, and he's over 40.
Beating Golovkin now would indeed boost Canelo's legacy at least a little bit. Every big name win on your ledger counts when it's all said and done.
Re: If Canelo will stop old GGG, it would be a a big performance knowing that G wasn't dropped or stopped before?
Posted: 16 Sep 2022, 11:38
by gilgamesh
apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 17:10
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 10:56
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 04:43
He'll get a ton of credit, as he should. Stopping GGG is a huge feat, no matter his age. I'm no Canelo fan, but beating GGG clear will be a huge feat and keep him in the top 5 p4p for me. Haters will always hate. There is a lot to hate Canelo for, but this third GGG fight isn't one of them.
It's the same dumb mindset if Pacquiao bulldozed Marquez in their last fight. Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten any credit, but since it ended with a KO from the guy pushing 40, it ended up counting for Marquez.
You never fail to produce utter garbage do you?
Beating GGG at this stage, and at his age, is not a legacy fight, not even if he stops him. It's GGG's last fight most likely, and he's over 40.
Thats very true. Beating a 40+ y/o fighter ain't no thing to brag about. Canelo is 32 , in his prime.
When G was 34 y/o, Canelo vacated his mw wbc strap avoiding his mandatory challenger in GGG, hiding behind poor opposition like Khan, Smith and JCCjr.
It's noteworthy when the 40 year old is still a World Champion who's beating everyone else he fights wouldn't you say?
You guys are talking like Golovkin is shot, and not still a consistent winner.