does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 25 Sep 2022, 20:59
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Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 01:32
Nah, Usyk vs Fury is more preferrable for the spring.
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Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 09:09
Usyk was the mandatory challenger of the WBO for Joshua.
So whilst Joyce is the new mandatory for the WBO.
Usyk would be required to fight the mandatory challenger of the WBA first, then the IBF mandatory, and then finally WBO.
The thing is, Joshua in a sense was a voluntary defence. I expect the orgs to allow him to fight Fury next for undisputed. Might be difficult for him to fight Wilder without dropping a belt.
WBA = Dubious v (H. Fury/Hunter)
IBF = Hrgovic
WBO = Joyce
So whilst Joyce is the new mandatory for the WBO.
Usyk would be required to fight the mandatory challenger of the WBA first, then the IBF mandatory, and then finally WBO.
The thing is, Joshua in a sense was a voluntary defence. I expect the orgs to allow him to fight Fury next for undisputed. Might be difficult for him to fight Wilder without dropping a belt.
WBA = Dubious v (H. Fury/Hunter)
IBF = Hrgovic
WBO = Joyce
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 09:24
Certainly a usyk-fury fight would be a stinker and would tie the linear title up for ages
Joshua's team were stupid to persue the usyk route instead of fury
Wilder may progress if he stops helenius
Ruiz needs another big fight
Really the only one who deserves a shot at the usyk bauble right now is Joe Joyce now
Joshua's team were stupid to persue the usyk route instead of fury
Wilder may progress if he stops helenius
Ruiz needs another big fight
Really the only one who deserves a shot at the usyk bauble right now is Joe Joyce now
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 12:37
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 12:44
It's unclear, until it gets signed.Thomastearns wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:37
Fury's already tried to line up Chisora and now he seem to be suggesting Mahmoud Charr as his next opponent.
It would be amazing that if anyone still has any trust left in this man.
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 26 Sep 2022, 12:58
I believe it's the WBA's mandatory challenger.Finkel wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 09:09 Usyk was the mandatory challenger of the WBO for Joshua.
So whilst Joyce is the new mandatory for the WBO.
Usyk would be required to fight the mandatory challenger of the WBA first, then the IBF mandatory, and then finally WBO.
The thing is, Joshua in a sense was a voluntary defence. I expect the orgs to allow him to fight Fury next for undisputed. Might be difficult for him to fight Wilder without dropping a belt.
WBA = Dubious v (H. Fury/Hunter)
IBF = Hrgovic
WBO = Joyce
Usyk was AJ's WBO mandatory challenger.
Pulev was AJ's IBF mandatory challenger.
Povetkin was AJ's WBA mandatory challenger.
Ruiz Jr. was a voluntary defence, which included an immediate rematch clause.
Until the announcement of the Wilder bout, there was recently a lot of media coverage about the victor of Usyk-Joshua having to defend their straps against Robert Helenius, who was previously the WBA's mandatory challenger.
BT Sports last weekend stated that Joe was willing to step-aside to allow the heavyweight title unification to go ahead (i.e. Fury-Usyk), but if it doesn't, then we might see Usyk-Joyce.
The WBA are an utterly rancid organisation though, and Oleksandr Usyk said he would like to face the winner of Helenius-Wilder.
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 27 Sep 2022, 17:49
Who knows what the WBA will do. I recall Helenius v Kownacki was an eliminator, but I'm not sure he was ever mandatory. Seems he has gone the WBC route.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:58I believe it's the WBA's mandatory challenger.Finkel wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 09:09 Usyk was the mandatory challenger of the WBO for Joshua.
So whilst Joyce is the new mandatory for the WBO.
Usyk would be required to fight the mandatory challenger of the WBA first, then the IBF mandatory, and then finally WBO.
The thing is, Joshua in a sense was a voluntary defence. I expect the orgs to allow him to fight Fury next for undisputed. Might be difficult for him to fight Wilder without dropping a belt.
WBA = Dubious v (H. Fury/Hunter)
IBF = Hrgovic
WBO = Joyce
Usyk was AJ's WBO mandatory challenger.
Pulev was AJ's IBF mandatory challenger.
Povetkin was AJ's WBA mandatory challenger.
Ruiz Jr. was a voluntary defence, which included an immediate rematch clause.
Until the announcement of the Wilder bout, there was recently a lot of media coverage about the victor of Usyk-Joshua having to defend their straps against Robert Helenius, who was previously the WBA's mandatory challenger.
BT Sports last weekend stated that Joe was willing to step-aside to allow the heavyweight title unification to go ahead (i.e. Fury-Usyk), but if it doesn't, then we might see Usyk-Joyce.
The WBA are an utterly rancid organisation though, and Oleksandr Usyk said he would like to face the winner of Helenius-Wilder.
One thing I noticed yesterday is Warren is calling Dubois the WBA mandatory. Which means one of two things:
1) Warren is lying again about the status of one of his fighters; he spent a good year telling everyone Joyce the WBO mandatory (which he wasn't).
2) WBA have indeed made Dubois the mandatory for beating Bryan (but that goes against their rules for regular belt holders)
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 27 Sep 2022, 18:39
DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:44It's unclear, until it gets signed.Thomastearns wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:37
Fury's already tried to line up Chisora and now he seem to be suggesting Mahmoud Charr as his next opponent.
It would be amazing that if anyone still has any trust left in this man.
Love your optimism, it's unclear until he is in the dressing room ready to come out.It was signed between Fury and Joshua, with Fury knowing he was contractually obliged to fight Wilder again.
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 28 Sep 2022, 01:34
Fury (if he's willing), maybe Wilder, then Joyce / Ruiz. Of course, Wilder isn't next in line, so to speak, but is still probably a more important opponent than Joyce.
In reality, I believe Usyk and Wilder both plan to fight each other in their next fight after Wilder - Helenius. That means Joyce and Ruiz (and perhaps Dillian Whyte) are going to be locked into a race to achieve something to move them to the front of the line. Although, given their ages, Joyce is the only one who's running out of time.
In reality, I believe Usyk and Wilder both plan to fight each other in their next fight after Wilder - Helenius. That means Joyce and Ruiz (and perhaps Dillian Whyte) are going to be locked into a race to achieve something to move them to the front of the line. Although, given their ages, Joyce is the only one who's running out of time.
Re: does USYK have to fight JOE JOYCE next ?---or is some1 else next in line ? *
Posted: 28 Sep 2022, 02:50
Well, indeed...KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Sep 2022, 18:39DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:44It's unclear, until it gets signed.Thomastearns wrote: ↑26 Sep 2022, 12:37
Fury's already tried to line up Chisora and now he seem to be suggesting Mahmoud Charr as his next opponent.
It would be amazing that if anyone still has any trust left in this man.
It was signed between Fury and Joshua, with Fury knowing he was contractually obliged to fight Wilder again.