Last night, I watched Mike Tyson appear on video link supporting Uysk and the Uysk Foundation, and he comes over so well.
I think his post boxing career has been even better than his boxing career: smash hit Broadway Shows, successful podcasts, profitable weed factory, cameo appearances, best selling memoirs, and he looks like he is enjoying life. That's a great result.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 09:56
by Rezzer1967
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 10:41
by Steveh583
Rezzer1967 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 09:56
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
Rezzer1967 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 09:56
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
lets not forget biting an opponent's ear.
Both ears.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 10:54
by stujones
Rezzer1967 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 09:56
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
Whilst he will go down as quite possibly my favourite fighter ever, the man who made me a fan of the sport - I do have a tendency to agree with this.
When I speak to friends about Tyson's post fight career the usual comments I get is that "I am so square" - personally I am not sure, as much as a fan I am of him as a fighter, he should hold that "can do no wrong" that many boxing fans have on him.
As time goes on both his in ring accomplishments and his out of ring accomplishments are magnified.
If, as an example, Anthony Joshua retired and became this constantly high mumbling shell (and I mean watch videos of a switch on young Mike Tyson talking boxing, his encylopedic knowledge is inspiring) making vlogs, the response would be "how the mighty have fallen" and "cannot cope with retirement" would be muttered. I've actually said this to friends in the real world but I just feel sad watching and listening to Tyson now - so a switched on, intelligent guy (when on form) in his youth and now just a mumbling, semi punch drunk guy with permantly glased eyes. I get called "square" for my views and I don't want to go down a cannibis usage debate - personally though I have seen the pitfalls of that much usage and I wouldn't describe it as a good role model, let alone a "god like" status he holds.
But also because he is becoming this influencer with a big impact outside of the sport, his abilities and achivements within it is also magnified. He's my favourite heavyweight and I truly believe that on his day he could have beaten anyone - however, he was also a seriously flawed fighter and the analogy of him just being only good on top and when the going got tough he didn't want to know is still very true. He would be the underdog for that reason against most of the top 10 all time heavyweights - but you here far more younger people talk about Tyson being the greatest ever than the likes of Lewis and Holyfield.
I would have loved to have heared how the Tyson without the influence of years of cannibis views the boxing scene now and make calls on fights etc. I see Tyson now and I just feel sad.
Rezzer1967 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 09:56
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
Whilst he will go down as quite possibly my favourite fighter ever, the man who made me a fan of the sport - I do have a tendency to agree with this.
When I speak to friends about Tyson's post fight career the usual comments I get is that "I am so square" - personally I am not sure, as much as a fan I am of him as a fighter, he should hold that "can do no wrong" that many boxing fans have on him.
As time goes on both his in ring accomplishments and his out of ring accomplishments are magnified.
If, as an example, Anthony Joshua retired and became this constantly high mumbling shell (and I mean watch videos of a switch on young Mike Tyson talking boxing, his encylopedic knowledge is inspiring) making vlogs, the response would be "how the mighty have fallen" and "cannot cope with retirement" would be muttered. I've actually said this to friends in the real world but I just feel sad watching and listening to Tyson now - so a switched on, intelligent guy (when on form) in his youth and now just a mumbling, semi punch drunk guy with permantly glased eyes. I get called "square" for my views and I don't want to go down a cannibis usage debate - personally though I have seen the pitfalls of that much usage and I wouldn't describe it as a good role model, let alone a "god like" status he holds.
But also because he is becoming this influencer with a big impact outside of the sport, his abilities and achivements within it is also magnified. He's my favourite heavyweight and I truly believe that on his day he could have beaten anyone - however, he was also a seriously flawed fighter and the analogy of him just being only good on top and when the going got tough he didn't want to know is still very true. He would be the underdog for that reason against most of the top 10 all time heavyweights - but you here far more younger people talk about Tyson being the greatest ever than the likes of Lewis and Holyfield.
I would have loved to have heared how the Tyson without the influence of years of cannibis views the boxing scene now and make calls on fights etc. I see Tyson now and I just feel sad.
Excellent post
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 12:24
by Controversial
I tried watching that one man stage show he done, it was cringey from what I remember and seemed to have canned laughter added. Maybe I need to watch it again as it seems to get good reviews.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:03
by emallini
He already did the prison time for the rape so why should he continue to pay for it?
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:12
by Steveh583
never has there been more excuses been made on a fighters behalf.
if only cus hadn't died......
if only he hadn't joined don king....
If only he stayed with Kevin rooney...
If only he hadn't married Robin Givens....
if only he hadn't raped someone.....
if only he kept moving his head....
if only he still threw combinations....
if only he trained for buster douglas.....
if only he hadn't kicked an OAP in the balls....
If only he hadn't become a druggy....
If only he hadn't blown through millions and millions....
If only he hadn't bitten Holyfields ear...
Like he never had a say in any of the above or could have made better choices. talking to tyson fans, you'd think no other boxer had out of the ring dramas they had to deal with. I also hear people bang on about his childhood, which was disneyland compared to say, Pacquiao's.
They are relentless with the shoulda, woulda, coulda's.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:23
by Rezzer1967
emallini wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:03
He already did the prison time for the rape so why should he continue to pay for it?
Rightly or wrongly, in life, many, many avenues are closed to people who commit crimes, particularly crimes of a sexual nature, after they are released from prison. A child sex offender wouldn’t be able to say ‘ I’m paid my debt to society, now I want to follow my dream and become a school classroom assistant. ‘Fortunately for Tyson, everyone has forgotten about his crimes against women, which started at a very young age ( Teddy Atlas left Cus D’Amato because the old man was using his contacts with law enforcement to get Tyson repeated cleared, it’s well documented particularly in Atlas’s autobiography). Some might say he’s a danger to women, especially as he is also a heavy drug user. Everyone deserves a second chance, apparently he’s had several, but let’s not pretend he’s a saint, a victim or a great example to us all. He isn’t , well not to me anyway.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:24
by Rezzer1967
Steveh583 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:12
never has there been more excuses been made on a fighters behalf.
if only cus hadn't died......
if only he hadn't joined don king....
If only he stayed with Kevin rooney...
If only he hadn't married Robin Givens....
if only he hadn't raped someone.....
if only he kept moving his head....
if only he still threw combinations....
if only he trained for buster douglas.....
if only he hadn't kicked an OAP in the balls....
If only he hadn't become a druggy....
If only he hadn't blown through millions and millions....
If only he hadn't bitten Holyfields ear...
Like he never had a say in any of the above or could have made better choices. talking to tyson fans, you'd think no other boxer had out of the ring dramas they had to deal with. I also hear people bang on about his childhood, which was disneyland compared to say, Pacquiao's.
They are relentless with the shoulda, woulda, coulda's.
"when the most earnest and compelling performance in a movie is turned in by Sir Mike Tyson, you know you're in trouble."
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:30
by Boxerbeetle
Steveh583 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:12
never has there been more excuses been made on a fighters behalf.
if only cus hadn't died......
if only he hadn't joined don king....
If only he stayed with Kevin rooney...
If only he hadn't married Robin Givens....
if only he hadn't raped someone.....
if only he kept moving his head....
if only he still threw combinations....
if only he trained for buster douglas.....
if only he hadn't kicked an OAP in the balls....
If only he hadn't become a druggy....
If only he hadn't blown through millions and millions....
If only he hadn't bitten Holyfields ear...
Like he never had a say in any of the above or could have made better choices. talking to tyson fans, you'd think no other boxer had out of the ring dramas they had to deal with. I also hear people bang on about his childhood, which was disneyland compared to say, Pacquiao's.
They are relentless with the shoulda, woulda, coulda's.
Yeah but in his prime
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 13:30
by Glass Joe
Steveh583 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:12
never has there been more excuses been made on a fighters behalf.
if only cus hadn't died......
if only he hadn't joined don king....
If only he stayed with Kevin rooney...
If only he hadn't married Robin Givens....
if only he hadn't raped someone.....
if only he kept moving his head....
if only he still threw combinations....
if only he trained for buster douglas.....
if only he hadn't kicked an OAP in the balls....
If only he hadn't become a druggy....
If only he hadn't blown through millions and millions....
If only he hadn't bitten Holyfields ear...
Like he never had a say in any of the above or could have made better choices. talking to tyson fans, you'd think no other boxer had out of the ring dramas they had to deal with. I also hear people bang on about his childhood, which was disneyland compared to say, Pacquiao's.
They are relentless with the shoulda, woulda, coulda's.
emallini wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:03
He already did the prison time for the rape so why should he continue to pay for it?
Rightly or wrongly, in life, many, many avenues are closed to people who commit crimes, particularly crimes of a sexual nature, after they are released from prison. A child sex offender wouldn’t be able to say ‘ I’m paid my debt to society, now I want to follow my dream and become a school classroom assistant. ‘Fortunately for Tyson, everyone has forgotten about his crimes against women, which started at a very young age ( Teddy Atlas left Cus D’Amato because the old man was using his contacts with law enforcement to get Tyson repeated cleared, it’s well documented particularly in Atlas’s autobiography). Some might say he’s a danger to women, especially as he is also a heavy drug user. Everyone deserves a second chance, apparently he’s had several, but let’s not pretend he’s a saint, a victim or a great example to us all. He isn’t , well not to me anyway.
Atlas also pulled a gun on Tyson for allegedly grabbing his young niece
Steveh583 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 13:12
never has there been more excuses been made on a fighters behalf.
if only cus hadn't died......
if only he hadn't joined don king....
If only he stayed with Kevin rooney...
If only he hadn't married Robin Givens....
if only he hadn't raped someone.....
if only he kept moving his head....
if only he still threw combinations....
if only he trained for buster douglas.....
if only he hadn't kicked an OAP in the balls....
If only he hadn't become a druggy....
If only he hadn't blown through millions and millions....
If only he hadn't bitten Holyfields ear...
Like he never had a say in any of the above or could have made better choices. talking to tyson fans, you'd think no other boxer had out of the ring dramas they had to deal with. I also hear people bang on about his childhood, which was disneyland compared to say, Pacquiao's.
They are relentless with the shoulda, woulda, coulda's.
Another excellent post
Except for the "bitten Holyfield's ear" bit. He bit both of Holyfield's ears.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 14:17
by orbtastic
He was tremendously exciting in his day. I remember watching most of his fights on TV. I recall watching him against Mitch Green, Tillis, Ribalta and Frazier, where he made him look like a broken jack in the box.
Then you had that blitzing of Berbick, Reg Gutteridge seemingly amazed.
I was still in my early teens and didn't quite understand how the belts worked or how DK was pulling the strings in the background. I remmeber all the talk and politics around Spinks and Holmes and the way he pulverised both. Then the get in there Frank from Harry and the huge upset against Buster.
Then obviously during the comeback I'm older and marginally wiser, you could see the politics a mile off but still entertaining nonetheless. Never quite sure what was going to happen (other than McNeeley was never going to wrap anyone in a cocoon of horror). The first Holyfield fight I watched live (on TV), that was something, you knew the first big right hand from Tyson that just budged Holyfield sideways slightly that it was not going to be Tyson's night.
Imploded and descended into farce from that point on but still highly unpredictable and still had a couple of good punches in him.
I don't tihnk I've experienced the aura, excitement or hype in a boxer since. Yeah there's been bigger stars, way bigger PPV hitters and the 90s were good (Hamed, Chavez, Trinidad, DLH, Whittaker, Lewis, Holy/Bowe, Toney, Mosley, Jones etc) but didn't quite match the interest around Tyson.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 14:49
by Terminator666
There seemed to be loads of Rottweilers called Tyson in the late 80s early 90s
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 14:59
by Teddy's Toupee
Terminator666 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 14:49
There seemed to be loads of Rottweilers called Tyson in the late 80s early 90s
Some Gypsy babies too.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 09:39
by big lennox
Rezzer1967 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 09:56
Yeah, he’s done well for a convicted rapist with a reputation for violence. He once punched his first wife so hard she bounced of 3 walls, or so the legend goes. There’s people in Britain who get cancelled for saying the wrong thing , once. I would say an incredibly fortunate post fight career. I can’t think of any other sex offender who’s had their previous wiped from history like he has but hey, he was in the Hangover films so who cares.
Not a fan, then.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 12:16
by orbtastic
He almost got cancelled with his UK visit over 20 years ago. He then went walkabout in Brixton and seemed to get a less frosty reaction
He then was actually banned about ten years after that but think he’s been back since.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 14:56
by high tower 1
My all time
Favourite fighter. But let’s be real here. Scum when he was younger.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 16:58
by TheLeprechaun
high tower 1 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 14:56
My all time
Favourite fighter. But let’s be real here. Scum when he was younger.
A product of his circumstances. He was very lucky to have people around him who took a good look at him and recognised his talent. Many a lad from those backgrounds has talent but nobody ever takes a look at them and tells them that.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 28 Oct 2022, 06:37
by high tower 1
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 16:58
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My all time
Favourite fighter. But let’s be real here. Scum when he was younger.
A product of his circumstances. He was very lucky to have people around him who took a good look at him and recognised his talent. Many a lad from those backgrounds has talent but nobody ever takes a look at them and tells them that.
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Spare me. No one made his rape her.
Re: Mike Tyson = amazing post fight career
Posted: 28 Oct 2022, 08:17
by tiny_acres
Was Tyson a piece of crap? No doubt about it.
I was one of the few who was not a fan of his even when he was active.
But has he changed his life around? It appears so. How much does say the last 10 years
of his life compensate for his past behavior? That is only an answer for a higher being not for me to make.
I was not a fan of Tyson the fighter. But I have became a fan of the man that appears to have attempted to change his life and become a very interesting human.
You do not have to agree with me. But I do think he is changing
