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With the recent Cotto situation and the fact that most fighters at the lower weights drain themselves to make weight and put on a stone or more after the weight in, should weightins be on the same day.

The fighters like Cotto and Gatti get unfair advantages coming in a stone or more heavier than their opponent but if they did that on the same day weigh in, the advantage would be with the other guy because they would be severely dehydrated.

A fighter outweighing another fighter by nearly 20 pounds just shouldn't happen in boxing, especially at the lower weights

That's how boxers get hurt. Aslo, I guarantee you that if a fighter like Cotto boiled down to Light W and made 140 on a same day weigh in, and got KO'd, he wouldn't do it again.

i agree 100%!!!!
i cannot see the logic of it making it safer by weighing in the day before...... in my opinion its fairly obvious that fighters take bigger risks now than they did before.

only Hopkins and the cruisers and heavyweights would keep there title

yip i concur on this one, would make it "real" weight divisions this aside fomr the obvious advantage that fighters wouldnt weight drain as much in the end.
good thread

I would hope so. This would benifit most of the danish boxers since they they walk around weight isnt much higher than their fighting weight ie Markussen and Bredahl made weight weight on the first of the pre weigh in for the latest fights. I think several of the danish fighters could go down a weight class if they really wanted to (Spend Abazi went two weight classes down to get a EBU title shot). In the long run I think it would benifit most boxers but in the start there will probably still be someone that will try to squize them down to a certain weight and cant recoup for the fight.

Can't remember when this rule came in, but I know it was talked about a lot around the time of the 2nd Eubank/Watson fight.

And the Gatti/Gamache "fight" was pretty controversial too - brutal ko and Gatti was about two weight divisions up come fight time.

lirva33 wrote:With the recent Cotto situation and the fact that most fighters at the lower weights drain themselves to make weight and put on a stone or more after the weight in, should weightins be on the same day.

The fighters like Cotto and Gatti get unfair advantages coming in a stone or more heavier than their opponent but if they did that on the same day weigh in, the advantage would be with the other guy because they would be severely dehydrated.

A fighter outweighing another fighter by nearly 20 pounds just shouldn't happen in boxing, especially at the lower weights

That's how boxers get hurt. Aslo, I guarantee you that if a fighter like Cotto boiled down to Light W and made 140 on a same day weigh in, and got KO'd, he wouldn't do it again.

Agree 100%

When I fought the last time 20 years ago, I weighed in on the afternoon of the fight, at the Board of control offices.

When I weighed in I weighed 9st 4 or whatever. When I fought I may have been a couple of pound heavier but no more than that.

Today, you end up with Middleweights fighting lightweights.

That can onlybe bad for the game.

MightyWarrior wrote:Can't remember when this rule came in, but I know it was talked about a lot around the time of the 2nd Eubank/Watson fight.

And the Gatti/Gamache "fight" was pretty controversial too - brutal ko and Gatti was about two weight divisions up come fight time.

early 90's wasnt it, I remember Garry Delaney telling me he used to weigh in on the day during his light heavy days....... how he made that i never know... and how is manage let him i never know

They should make all the boxers walk around at no more than a stone above there fighting weight, then have same day weigh in's, problem is at the moment you've got Cotto, Hatton weighing around 12 1/2 or more at a guess, boiling themselves down to 10st, then putting between 12-17Lbs on in one day, Harrison is the same, if they weighed in same day most of them would need to go up one or two divisons at least, this would be a much better way of keeping the fights more even at the start of the contest.

The solution is to have weigh-ins 2weeks before, an official weigh in, and a fight night weigh-in. The fighter needs to hit the official weight at the weigh-in and can not deviate more than (8lbs for example) over the fight weight.

We all know this is probably bad for business so it won't happen. Its also going to cost more.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:The solution is to have weigh-ins 2weeks before, an official weigh in, and a fight night weigh-in. The fighter needs to hit the official weight at the weigh-in and can not deviate more than (8lbs for example) over the fight weight.

We all know this is probably bad for business so it won't happen. Its also going to cost more.

EBU and WBC(?) already have 3 weigh ins, Cant remember how many weeks the two first are from the fight.

Great thread.

There's always someone (normally a manager/promoter) who says "What about the danger of dehydration " et cetera whenever this is brought up; to which I say "what about the danger of fighting a guy a stone and a half heavier than you are, fuckwit?"

Some sort of structured weigh-in is needed. Make the weight on the day, perhaps, but weigh in two weeks before at (maybe) ten per cent over the limit, a week before at (maybe) five per cent. That'd be the safest, fairest way.

This is the sort of thing (and it's an exception, the only time I start thinking about stuff like this) where some sort of international commission is needed to regulate it. The sanctioning bodies are such a fornicating joke, they nominate guys to fight for their titles, and as long as they're creaming money don't ever bother to try and regulate it properly. BASTARDS.

Sorry, needed that.

Damn my arthritic typing skills...

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:The solution is to have weigh-ins 2weeks before, an official weigh in, and a fight night weigh-in. The fighter needs to hit the official weight at the weigh-in and can not deviate more than (8lbs for example) over the fight weight.

We all know this is probably bad for business so it won't happen. Its also going to cost more.

trouble is people cut for the check weigh in!!!!!

Surely it's safer for someone to be hit by someone a stone heavier than them, than it is for someone to be hit while severely dehydrated?

Lesser of two evils if you ask me.

Kilburn wrote:Surely it's safer for someone to be hit by someone a stone heavier than them, than it is for someone to be hit while severely dehydrated?

Lesser of two evils if you ask me.

Not quite that simple as its not like dehydration doesnt exist at day before weigh ins....
to be able to put on 20lbs you must be seriously dehydrated at the weigh in and 24 hours isnt enough to rehydrate properly...

Yeah but the guys who have piled on lots of weight afterwards aren't usually the ones that end up in trouble are they?

Agreee with 100% with this and it is a major issue - always wondered about this.

It's ridiculous fighters weight draining like that as the advantage gained detracts from how talented the fighter actually is never mind the health risks.

For example more weight suggests more punching power and probably more punch resistance.

IMO it should be if you can't make 140 safely on the day of the fight you're not a jr welter. Fight at your true weight.

Nels wrote:Great thread.

There's always someone (normally a manager/promoter) who says "What about the danger of dehydration " et cetera whenever this is brought up; to which I say "what about the danger of fighting a guy a stone and a half heavier than you are, fuckwit?"

Some sort of structured weigh-in is needed. Make the weight on the day, perhaps, but weigh in two weeks before at (maybe) ten per cent over the limit, a week before at (maybe) five per cent. That'd be the safest, fairest way.

This is the sort of thing (and it's an exception, the only time I start thinking about stuff like this) where some sort of international commission is needed to regulate it. The sanctioning bodies are such a fornicating joke, they nominate guys to fight for their titles, and as long as they're creaming money don't ever bother to try and regulate it properly. BASTARDS.

Sorry, needed that.

I know what you're saying. However, you have to wonder just how much of an advantage it is coming in so much heavier. Look at what happened to Cotto the other day, reeling all over the ring like a drunk after being tagged by a non-puncher like Corley......

Don't some commissions have a structured weigh in, in fact the BBBofC do don't they, they stop fights if someone is too much overweight in the preceding weeks before a fight.

They could eradicate this problem simply, but saying that any fighter who weighs in more than 10% over their weight limit so for instance a 140 lb fighter could weigh in a maximum of 154 (still too much in my opinion), or the fight is either a non-title fight, or is cancelled.

Of course, there's too much money to be lost for this to happen.

Of course, they are not going to do that.

Bottom line and correct me if i am wrong, i dont think there has been any less injuries in the ring since they changed the weigh in days!

Boxing always was and always will be a dangerous sport..

Paul Ingle was a a classic example of the risks of day before weigh in...... he blew up before fights knowing he could cut then, get it back on by fight time.... sadly it really hurt him in the end...

J wrote:yip i concur on this one, would make it "real" weight divisions this aside fomr the obvious advantage that fighters wouldnt weight drain as much in the end.
good thread

yup, a lot of boxers would be obliged to train better or go to the next weight class. e.g. Dariusz has about 2-5 kilos more in fight night. a lot of fighters boil the weight away till weigh-in. as you said we would have "real weight divisions"

BubiScholz wrote:

J wrote:yip i concur on this one, would make it "real" weight divisions this aside fomr the obvious advantage that fighters wouldnt weight drain as much in the end.
good thread

yup, a lot of boxers would be obliged to train better or go to the next weight class. e.g. Dariusz has about 2-5 kilos more in fight night. a lot of fighters boil the weight away till weigh-in. as you said we would have "real weight divisions"

i have to say most of the Danish and German fighters dont seem to struggle with their weight as the promoters/managers have them fighting in the weight category they should be in.

If Erdei was a Brit or an american he would be doing super middle...
Jurgen Brehmer boxed Hatton as an amateur and now fights at super middle...

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
They could eradicate this problem simply, but saying that any fighter who weighs in more than 10% over their weight limit so for instance a 140 lb fighter could weigh in a maximum of 154 (still too much in my opinion), or the fight is either a non-title fight, or is cancelled.

Of course, there's too much money to be lost for this to happen.

Of course, they are not going to do that.

That's exactly the conclusion i came to last time this was discussed. There should be a % limit. I'm sure medical experts could calculate how much weight can be lost by dehydration before the fluid surrounding the brain starts to be drained.

It's forgivable to be a little tight at the weight but what happens today is a calculated gamble with the health of boxers.

Rather than cancelling fights which was cited as a reason not to go with this idea, i reckon there should be financial penalties for not meeting the weights. Hit 'em in the pocket.

Rather than money being lost it could even reinvigorate the boxing world. When suddenly we've got lots of fighters shifting divisions and facing a bunch of new opponents. It would be intriguing to see how much the weight advantages made a difference.
With the added incentive of keeping boxers safer & healthier.

The penalties involved would have to be huge though, they would have to be a significant percentage of the purse, and it would have to go to the boxing commission rather than the opponent or the sanctioning body.

Otherwise fighters would just sacrifice money to be able to come in with a massive weight advantage.

knockout wrote:

BubiScholz wrote:

J wrote:yip i concur on this one, would make it "real" weight divisions this aside fomr the obvious advantage that fighters wouldnt weight drain as much in the end.
good thread

yup, a lot of boxers would be obliged to train better or go to the next weight class. e.g. Dariusz has about 2-5 kilos more in fight night. a lot of fighters boil the weight away till weigh-in. as you said we would have "real weight divisions"

i have to say most of the Danish and German fighters dont seem to struggle with their weight as the promoters/managers have them fighting in the weight category they should be in.

If Erdei was a Brit or an american he would be doing super middle...
Jurgen Brehmer boxed Hatton as an amateur and now fights at super middle...

Speaking of German fighters and Brähmer.
I was just updating the weights for the Universum card tomorrow, Stipe Drews weighed in at 174 3/4 for a non title fight, I wonder if he can make supermiddle if he really wants to, quite scary when you think about it.

I read that Brähmer will return this summer when he comes out of prison.