Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 08:38
Prime Cheating Mexican v Prime Calzaghe
Who wins??
Who wins??
Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
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Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 08:43
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:17
Agreed. Both got cast iron whiskers but Joe was an absolute machinekeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 08:43Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:23
He's in the conversation for best British boxer ever. Maybe he's at the top of the list.Stobbo wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:17Agreed. Both got cast iron whiskers but Joe was an absolute machinekeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 08:43Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:25
JC clearly, bigger man, better, busier boxer and a chin which would hold up.
Canelo is obviously one of the best in the world at the moment, but people also forget he was outboxed by little PBF.
Even with the Mexican beef, JC wins at a canter
Canelo is obviously one of the best in the world at the moment, but people also forget he was outboxed by little PBF.
Even with the Mexican beef, JC wins at a canter
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:27
I trained with Alex Arthur for a few months and he said Calzaghe was hands down the best fighter he ever knew. Said he was on another level strength and fitness wise.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:23He's in the conversation for best British boxer ever. Maybe he's at the top of the list.Stobbo wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:17Agreed. Both got cast iron whiskers but Joe was an absolute machinekeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 08:43
Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:29
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:27I trained with Alex Arthur for a few months and he said Calzaghe was hands down the best fighter he ever knew. Said he was on another level strength and fitness wise.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:23He's in the conversation for best British boxer ever. Maybe he's at the top of the list.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:53
Styles make fights, and this would be a pretty easy one for Calzaghe imo, Canelo is made for him.
Someone like Andre Ward would be a far more difficult proposition.
Someone like Andre Ward would be a far more difficult proposition.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 09:58
Now there was a fighter … Andre Ward.
I think a prime Ward would have beaten Calzaghe.
I think a prime Ward would have beaten Calzaghe.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:28
For me only a prime RJJ and BHOP beats Joe in their eras. BHOP did nick their fight imo and he was like 70 years old.
Joe would absolutely beat Canelo. I can’t see how he wins rounds never mind the fight.
Joe was truly special.
Joe would absolutely beat Canelo. I can’t see how he wins rounds never mind the fight.
Joe was truly special.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:41
Great question - I would favour Joe, but I wouldn't write off Canelo. Calzaghe did lose rounds against Kessler, Brewer, and a few others - the Lacy hype might have flattered Joe a little.
Again not being critical of those favouring Joe - but to say its difficult to see how Joe loses rounds might be doing Canelo a disservice - he is not a Lacy.
Again not being critical of those favouring Joe - but to say its difficult to see how Joe loses rounds might be doing Canelo a disservice - he is not a Lacy.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:42
^keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 08:43Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:44
People also forget Joe could hit hard until his hands went and he changed technique.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:49
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 11:10
Hard to pinpoint where Calzaghe’s peak sits. The obvious choice everyone picks was probably when his hands were shot and he was winning every fight on points. Thinking of Sturm v De La Hoya, some America judges might plump for Canelo on home ground. I don’t think any serious polls in Boxing News ever put Calzaghe above Jones. I think it’s fair comment Ward would have had live chances with his accuracy. Maybe Calzaghe squeaks it on home territory. I don’t think in America he would ever have beaten Ward.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 11:30
Khan wasn't doing too badly against Canelo but eventually got caught....Calzaghe wouldn't get caught and would throw even more punches......Calzaghe's legacy gets better as time goes by.....I'm pleased I got to see him live many times.
Hard to argue that he isn't our all time greatest?!
Hard to argue that he isn't our all time greatest?!
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 11:31
Joe wud have Bivoled CaneloStobbo wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 09:17Agreed. Both got cast iron whiskers but Joe was an absolute machinekeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 08:43Calzaghe on points. Canelo ain't putting Joe to sleep and the Welshman throws too many shots to lose on points.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 11:36
Prime Ward, before the layoff would have beaten any Super Middle in history for me.polecateddy wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 11:10 Hard to pinpoint where Calzaghe’s peak sits. The obvious choice everyone picks was probably when his hands were shot and he was winning every fight on points. Thinking of Sturm v De La Hoya, some America judges might plump for Canelo on home ground. I don’t think any serious polls in Boxing News ever put Calzaghe above Jones. I think it’s fair comment Ward would have had live chances with his accuracy. Maybe Calzaghe squeaks it on home territory. I don’t think in America he would ever have beaten Ward.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 13:04
In the UK Calzaghe, in the states Canelo.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 13:04
what about Manchester and its high altitude? 
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 13:28
Calzaghe vastly outworks Canelo, taps and slaps the sh1t out of the Redhead.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 13:48
Canelo for sure. Calzaghe getting overrated on the British forum.
Calzaghe would lose to Bivol too.
Calzaghe would lose to Bivol too.
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 13:49
Calzaghe was hurt plenty of times.TopGun wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 11:30 Khan wasn't doing too badly against Canelo but eventually got caught....Calzaghe wouldn't get caught and would throw even more punches......Calzaghe's legacy gets better as time goes by.....I'm pleased I got to see him live many times.
Hard to argue that he isn't our all time greatest?!
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 14:05
I am going to have to remain consistent from the old days … 
I had a downer on Calzaghe and was extremely stubborn considering his abilities and in addition I argued and argued about Calzaghes standing in the p4p ranks …
So lets start rucking like the old days
when I give you the following statements …
Joe Calzaghe had a padded & inflated record.
Calzaghe’s best wins were against:
Over hyped american “club” fighter Jeff Lacey.
An old & past it Roy Jones Jr.
An old & past it Bernard Hopkins.
Whilst I think Joe Calzaghe was a good fighter …
Carl Froch had a better record in that he was not protected and fought fighters in their prime
I invite the forums considered responses
I had a downer on Calzaghe and was extremely stubborn considering his abilities and in addition I argued and argued about Calzaghes standing in the p4p ranks …
So lets start rucking like the old days
when I give you the following statements …Joe Calzaghe had a padded & inflated record.
Calzaghe’s best wins were against:
Over hyped american “club” fighter Jeff Lacey.
An old & past it Roy Jones Jr.
An old & past it Bernard Hopkins.
Whilst I think Joe Calzaghe was a good fighter …
Carl Froch had a better record in that he was not protected and fought fighters in their prime
I invite the forums considered responses
Re: Canelo & Calzaghe
Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 14:34
That's a bold statement.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 11:36Prime Ward, before the layoff would have beaten any Super Middle in history for me.polecateddy wrote: ↑17 Nov 2022, 11:10 Hard to pinpoint where Calzaghe’s peak sits. The obvious choice everyone picks was probably when his hands were shot and he was winning every fight on points. Thinking of Sturm v De La Hoya, some America judges might plump for Canelo on home ground. I don’t think any serious polls in Boxing News ever put Calzaghe above Jones. I think it’s fair comment Ward would have had live chances with his accuracy. Maybe Calzaghe squeaks it on home territory. I don’t think in America he would ever have beaten Ward.
1. Prime Roy Jones?
2. Hopkins as he went up.
3. Sven ottke?
(One of those 3 is a joke of course).