Tory scumbags

[Fray Bentos]

Just had to listen to Jeremy Hunt telling the nation not to shirk and to go back to doing a proper days work.

CP is right about how their actual demise should be.

[watsupdoc87]

Just had to listen to Jeremy Hunt telling the nation not to shirk and to go back to doing a proper days work.

CP is right about how their actual demise should be.

Motherfukers will probably still get back in

[Coco]

While Hunt is playing the safe pair of hands, and the markets are steady, he needs to do something special to make the electorate forget.

Especially when you have Tory plan B waiting in the wings with Starmer

[Bodyshot3]

While Hunt is playing the safe pair of hands, and the markets are steady, he needs to do something special to make the electorate forget.

Especially when you have Tory plan B waiting in the wings with Starmer

Hunt is prudent and might be that guy who gets a bit lucky too, the economy is overdue a surge of sorts.

Mr Steady probably does do sensible things you want from a Chancellor like.......

......listen to the BofE before announcing his policies, understand that major corporations always plead rag-and-bone poverty at taxation time and still need to get that invoice, and that repeated austerity budgets are moronic and not least because the government remains one of British industry's largest customers/sponsors.

He's not Mr Interesting or Creative. Nigel Lawson was brighter, Ken Clarke had chutzpah.
But he's not an idiot-zealot like Kwarteng and that's a start.

[Lenny Cravats]

Aye, the bar has been lowered pretty dramatically that simply not being an absolute, utter fvckwitt is a good enough for Chancellor, PM or any front bench position.

[watsupdoc87]

Tell you what, I was only half joking. I was in Donny the other day at it wasn't great.

I came on the train from London and what should have been a journey of 1hr 45 mins ended up taking about 5 hours - due to high winds apparently (there weren't any high winds). So, that wasn't a great start.

When I eventually got there and left the station I was immediately asked for money by a junkie.

Then I walked through town and a lot of the shops were either boarded up or were now charity shops; pawnbrokers; 'foreign' min-markets; or vape shops. There used to be some nice shops in Doncaster: Taylor and Colbrige; Binns; Hodgson and Hepworths; Cuttresses and loads of others. The outdoor market I noticed is dying as well.

A lot of the people looked defeated: overweight, disabled, ill, dishevelled, or a combination of all those things. Lots of piss artists stood outside pubs looking scruffy and disorientated. I cut through Silver Street and what used to be Rotters looks like a pig sty and then past the Danum hotel, which used to be a nice place. I remember my uncle getting married there back in the day. It's full of Afghan refugees nowadays I believe.

All in all, the place is going backwards and it's a great pity - and I take no pleasure in saying that. But city status, come on. Doncaster's not a city by any sensible criteria. It's not a big metropolis like Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, etc. Nor is it a 'pretty city' like York, Durham or Chester.

It's industry has gone; the local authority staggers from one crisis to another; it's sports teams have never won a brass bean; it's got no university; and no airport now. I can't see how it qualifies as a city. If Doncaster continues to decline over the next thirty years at the same rate as it has for the past thirty years, then third world won't be too far off the mark.

Actually doncaster rovers won the Johnstone paints trophy in cardiff in 2007 against Bristol rovers. I was there . Great game. Around the same time donny got promoted from conference up to championship in a handful of years . Last trophy to be won before the new Wembley if memory is right

[Lenny Cravats]

New poll figures are looking like these pudenda are clawing it back.

[Jaguar]

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Everybody's assuming the Tories are dead meat but the general election is still some time away and you know what they say - a week's a long time in politics.

Plus, we've heard all this before. They were predicting the end of the Conservative Party as we know it in the aftermath of New Labour's landslide in '97 and, yes, the Tories were on the sidelines for a good while thereafter, but they still got back in the end. They always do.

I actually think we'll get a hung parliament at the next GE. I don't think we'll get another Labour landslide, not now Scotland is effectively lost. In fact, if you do the figures, basically you can't. Plus, still loads of Tory voters in the English shires, millions of them, and those who don't want the Conservatives would rather vote Lib Dem or independent or anything but Labour.

I also think the Tories' nutty woke/Rwanda/Brexit/tax cut/xenophobia agenda is popular with big lumps of the electorate, including the blue rinses and white van man. Sad, I know. But I think it's true.

[Boxerbeetle]

New poll figures are looking like these pudenda are clawing it back.

Blame immigrants and the morons fall for it every single time.

[skanksta]

New poll figures are looking like these pudenda are clawing it back.

Blame immigrants and the morons fall for it every single time.

Worked with Brexit

[Lenny Cravats]

They could have painted themselves into a corner by chasing the far-right vote.

Whilst there's been a massive shift to far-right policies, the Tories aren't a natural far-right party.

The divisive, polarizing politics intended to push people to the far right seem to be working. Possibly too well. There's genuine hatred towards immigrants, leaving the door open to an even further right party splitting the Tory vote.
Reform UK or any of these other fringe loonies could take a lot of votes if they come out swinging.

[Jaguar]

They could have painted themselves into a corner by chasing the far-right vote.

Whilst there's been a massive shift to far-right policies, the Tories aren't a natural far-right party.

The divisive, polarizing politics intended to push people to the far right seem to be working. Possibly too well. There's genuine hatred towards immigrants, leaving the door open to an even further right party splitting the Tory vote.
Reform UK or any of these other fringe loonies could take a lot of votes if they come out swinging.

I partly agree with you, Len. The Tories aren't a naturally far-right party. They're right-wing in terms of economic liberalism but they're not a naturally racist party. In fact, I think immigration levels have been higher on their watch than Labour's.

I think this Braverman/Rwanda stuff is basically opportunism/desperation even though it does appeal to some people.

I don't however think being anti-mass immigration is necessarily a right-wing thing. I'm anti-immigration myself but don't regard myself as a right winger, or far right. In fact, I think there's a perfectly sensible centre-left position on this matter.

I also don't feel any great lurch to the far-right in general. Britain's never had a strong far right, certainly in comparison to most EU nations. I just don't think it's part of the culture. It would have happened well before now if it was.

In fact, it's quite remarkable how little support far-right politics gets given the volume of immigration we've had (and we're still getting). I know it's not a fashionable opinion, but I actually think the British are generally quite tolerant people and often fairly apolitical. But, immigration is far too high and has been for a long time - and a lot of people are cheesed off with it. Quite understandably too in my opinion.

Either way, I think the fact that Conservative politics have been so popular over the years is, for most voters, basically rooted in petty selfishness rather than any coherent ideology.

[Counter-puncher]

The once reliable Tory backbench news barometer has been in need of recalibration for some time now. For several years, specifically the Boris Johnson years, you could tell precisely how indefensible things had become by who it was who had appeared on the television to defend it.

For standard outrages there would always be Nadine Dorries. Abominations: Michael Fabricant. Actual atrocities: Desmond Swayne.
It provided, if nothing else, an unerringly precise matrix through which to calibrate the stupidest people in Westminster. For example, the Johnson defence on Partygate moved on from “there were no parties”, through “I didn’t know there were any parties” to, “I didn’t know there were any parties even though I was at them” - it was only at this very latest stage that the decks of the rolling news channels were cleared for Messrs Fabricant and Swayne.

But what made life tough was the occasional re-emergence of Mark Francois, given that his stupidity is so profound it comes with its own magnetic field.

His role, since 2016, has been to turn up not when something stupid has happened, but when something sensible has happened, and to then say no to it, on account of it not being stupid enough for him.

Unsurprisingly, in the wake of an actual, meaningful breakthrough on Brexit, this has happened again. Francois is now head of the European Research Group, mainly because having taken over the government, most of the European Research Group now have cabinet jobs instead, so the only one left to run the European Research Group is the only one whom no one in good faith would let run a cake stall at a summer fete.


Francois was back, on Tuesday morning, with some breathless pronouncements to make, yet another rhapsody on the theme of "no". The background is that the DUP have announced that they won’t back Rishi Sunak’s new Windsor Framework, which means they have now said no to every single form of Brexit that’s been put in front of them. And they’re quite correct to do so. They’ve worked out that it’s a completely unworkable catastrophe that, apart from making everyone poorer and their country a laughing stock, also threatens the unthinkable – a reunited Ireland. The only slight drawback is that they campaigned for it.

[banjo]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

[chinarich]

The once reliable Tory backbench news barometer has been in need of recalibration for some time now. For several years, specifically the Boris Johnson years, you could tell precisely how indefensible things had become by who it was who had appeared on the television to defend it.

For standard outrages there would always be Nadine Dorries. Abominations: Michael Fabricant. Actual atrocities: Desmond Swayne.
It provided, if nothing else, an unerringly precise matrix through which to calibrate the stupidest people in Westminster. For example, the Johnson defence on Partygate moved on from “there were no parties”, through “I didn’t know there were any parties” to, “I didn’t know there were any parties even though I was at them” - it was only at this very latest stage that the decks of the rolling news channels were cleared for Messrs Fabricant and Swayne.

But what made life tough was the occasional re-emergence of Mark Francois, given that his stupidity is so profound it comes with its own magnetic field.

His role, since 2016, has been to turn up not when something stupid has happened, but when something sensible has happened, and to then say no to it, on account of it not being stupid enough for him.

Unsurprisingly, in the wake of an actual, meaningful breakthrough on Brexit, this has happened again. Francois is now head of the European Research Group, mainly because having taken over the government, most of the European Research Group now have cabinet jobs instead, so the only one left to run the European Research Group is the only one whom no one in good faith would let run a cake stall at a summer fete.


Francois was back, on Tuesday morning, with some breathless pronouncements to make, yet another rhapsody on the theme of "no". The background is that the DUP have announced that they won’t back Rishi Sunak’s new Windsor Framework, which means they have now said no to every single form of Brexit that’s been put in front of them. And they’re quite correct to do so. They’ve worked out that it’s a completely unworkable catastrophe that, apart from making everyone poorer and their country a laughing stock, also threatens the unthinkable – a reunited Ireland. The only slight drawback is that they campaigned for it.

Penfold is a fool of the highest order, a wannabe military man who boasts of being deployed during the Cold War simply because the unit of the TA he was in once took a day trip to West Berlin. Utter, utter, tool.

[The Gratest]

IRONFRANCOIS

[Counter-puncher]

[chinarich]

[smiling assassin]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

[Tony1244]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

I'm an American so I don't know if that's true but it sounds like it could be right. Many Americans are conservative on immigration, but liberal on most social and economic issues.

[Fray Bentos]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

I'm an American so I don't know if that's true but it sounds like it could be right. Many Americans are conservative on immigration, but liberal on most social and economic issues.

The problem with a 'tough stance on immigration' is they want unrealistic demands - such as the promise of tens of thousands made by Theresa May - your country and mine rely on immigration and what people want - certain colours of people denied and the low numbers aren't going to happen. Not in todays world anyway.

[banjo]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

But they won't, just like the Tories because they aren't going to be the victims of foreign criminals or terrorists, it's the everyday people going about their business who suffer the brunt of that.

[Fray Bentos]

I think it's quite disturbing that people who have legitimate concerns about immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers etc. get labelled as being far right. Some of these people could potentially be very dangerous like those 4 Afghan lads who raped a girl in Kent or the other Afghan who stabbed a fella outside a Subway in Bournemouth and that one had previously been convicted of murder in Serbia so why the f*ck somebody thought it was alright for him to roam the streets I don't know.

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

But they won't, just like the Tories because they aren't going to be the victims of foreign criminals or terrorists, it's the everyday people going about their business who suffer the brunt of that.

If I know enough about the poster you're quoting, he doesn't want anyone who doesn't look like him here, that includes your wife and your kids.

If it was just the case of kicking out foreign criminals and layabouts, we would all be for that.

[Tony1244]

Labour would win a landslide in the next election if they took a tough stance against immigration.

I'm an American so I don't know if that's true but it sounds like it could be right. Many Americans are conservative on immigration, but liberal on most social and economic issues.

The problem with a 'tough stance on immigration' is they want unrealistic demands - such as the promise of tens of thousands made by Theresa May - your country and mine rely on immigration and what people want - certain colours of people denied and the low numbers aren't going to happen. Not in todays world anyway.

My post wasn't really anti immigrant or pro immigrant, just a comment on how some people vote. The US certainly is "a nation of immigrants." As I've said, I don't know much about the UK situation, but the situation here is kind of complicated. The US certainly needs some immigration for low paying jobs, and anyone with any sense wants more high skilled immigrants.

Having said that, and here comes the but, there is an horrendous situation going on in parts of our Southern border. I would not want to necessarily own land anywhere near the border. I don't have a problem with tightening our borders in certain areas, but some legal immigration is not only inevitable but helpful.

[Jaguar]

Just listening to this Boris Johnson Partygate trial thing and I reckon, almost unbelievably, he's going to worm his way out of this.

Boris is a total and utter bullshitter extraordinaire but I think he's going to get away with it. Amazing really.