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Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 15:45
by rhino222
I saw Wardley v Gorman as a real 50/50 pick 'em
What surprised me was that Gorman, despite loads of notice had seemingly not got himself in the best of condition and was carrying a lot of excess.
Did that mean Gorman couldnt motivate himself for a career defining British title tilt?
Therefore, Is it all over for Nathan?
He has a decent skill set but i feel he should have tried to 'box' Wardley and not just have a shoot out with him.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 15:46
by keithmoonhangover
rhino222 wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 15:45
I saw Wardley v Gorman as a real 50/50 pick 'em
What surprised me was that Gorman, despite loads of notice had seemingly not got himself in the best of condition and was carrying a lot of excess.
Did that mean Gorman couldnt motivate himself for a career defining British title tilt?
Therefore, Is it all over for Nathan?
He has a decent skill set but i feel he should have tried to 'box' Wardley and not just have a shoot out with him.
Turns out all gypsies aren't natural boxers.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 15:55
by Glass Joe
It wouldn't surprise me if Gorman hanged up his gloves. Surprised he's only 26. Feels like he will always get poled axed whenever he fights a hungry contender
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 16:09
by Twinkle Toes
He isn't motivated enough to get in shape. Has enough boxing skill to compete at a decent level but not in his current shape.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 16:22
by maverick23
I think he possibly should walk away. The biggest issue for me isn’t so much his shape/fitness (whilst it is still a problem), it’s that he didn’t seem to have the heart for it.
He’s got some skills but doesn’t shift many tickets and is someone that I can’t see a promoter wanting to build up again. He’s probably too good to be used against guys like Adeleye/Fisher and anyone at a higher level that can punch will take him out without much fuss.
Unless he gets himself into better shape and gets a good win in the away corner then I struggle to see where he goes from here.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 16:29
by keithmoonhangover
Isn't he just another hype job with a padded record?
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 16:43
by dookus
As I said elsewhere, lovely skills and can punch a bit, but hard to see how he goes anywhere with that punch resistance and conditioning. It's strange, he always seems clear eyed but just can't stand up to power shots above a certain level.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 16:43
by rhino222
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 16:29
Isn't he just another hype job with a padded record?
i dont think so, he just has a bit too much talent to be cannon fodder
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 17:28
by Dioufy
Gorman is just weird. Obviously very talented…. but he has the traits of a bully in the ring. If he doesn’t get you out and you stand up and fight back he will fold.
Fabio was hurt. Then showed balls to fight back and NG just capitulated. His corner know him very well and probably sensed what was going to happen.
Just can’t see this version being of 270lbs NG going anywhere beyond British level.
Thomas Salek rematch.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 17:37
by Old bones Ian
There's been a lot of boxers with better wins on their record without getting a shot at the British title, let alone 2 shots.
Gorman has been disappointing in both attempts, I'm not sure where he goes from here
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 18:42
by TheLeprechaun
He's not motivated enough. Lazy habits. Disgraceful body in the ring.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 18:45
by margaret thatcher
yep, just doesnt seem into the game, wasnt in there at all
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 19:24
by THEBUTCH
He was overhyped and now people wonder why he's flopped badly twice.
Gorman is useful at English title level but struggles at British level.
I seriously doubt he will have the gumption to carry on, but could possibly get another crack at the British title or the Commonwealth title if he can string a few wins together again. Maybe even a late notice call for a Europan title if an opponent drops out, but hard to see what else he is going to achieve.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 20:04
by Coco
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 19:24
He was overhyped and now people wonder why he's flopped badly twice.
Gorman is useful at English title level but struggles at British level.
I seriously doubt he will have the gumption to carry on, but could possibly get another crack at the British title or the Commonwealth title if he can string a few wins together again. Maybe even a late notice call for a Europan title if an opponent drops out, but hard to see what else he is going to achieve.
Dave Allen level
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 27 Nov 2022, 20:12
by milpool
I suspect so…
I didn’t think he was ever going achieve much and it comes as no surprise that he’s been found wanting as soon as he faces opponents that fight back.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 02:31
by mickey1975
Coco wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 20:04
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 19:24
He was overhyped and now people wonder why he's flopped badly twice.
Gorman is useful at English title level but struggles at British level.
I seriously doubt he will have the gumption to carry on, but could possibly get another crack at the British title or the Commonwealth title if he can string a few wins together again. Maybe even a late notice call for a Europan title if an opponent drops out, but hard to see what else he is going to achieve.
Dave Allen level
If you combined Gormans skill with Daves chin and heart, you’d have a top level fighter.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 04:52
by dookus
mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 02:31
Coco wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 20:04
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑27 Nov 2022, 19:24
He was overhyped and now people wonder why he's flopped badly twice.
Gorman is useful at English title level but struggles at British level.
I seriously doubt he will have the gumption to carry on, but could possibly get another crack at the British title or the Commonwealth title if he can string a few wins together again. Maybe even a late notice call for a Europan title if an opponent drops out, but hard to see what else he is going to achieve.
Dave Allen level
If you combined Gormans skill with Daves chin and heart, you’d have a top level fighter.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 08:57
by CaptainSpacerod
He’s fighting at the wrong weight. If he lived the life he’d be a cruiserweight.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 15:52
by JamesPhilips
CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 08:57
He’s fighting at the wrong weight. If he lived the life he’d be a cruiserweight.
You think he could lose 70 pounds lol
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 15:58
by margaret thatcher
well he'd only have to lose 55 or so, then cut the rest
i mean he's pretty f@ckin flabby, there's clearly a lot there he could lose. he was 250 in his debut and was still completely soft with love handles, jiggling, and 0 definition. whether he could get low enough for cruiser i dunno, but if he were in really good shape i doubt he'd be much above the 220 range. heavyweight conditioning and discipline is pathetic these days
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 16:09
by JamesPhilips
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:58
well he'd only have to lose 55 or so, then cut the rest
i mean he's pretty f@ckin flabby, there's clearly a lot there he could lose. he was 250 in his debut and was still completely soft with love handles, jiggling, and 0 definition. whether he could get low enough for cruiser i dunno, but if he were in really good shape i doubt he'd be much above the 220 range. heavyweight conditioning and discipline is pathetic these days
Bridgerweight sounds good for him
but come on if you can’t get in shape when you’re facing big punchers that could seriously damage you…. You’re not going to commit
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 16:10
by rd350lc
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:58
well he'd only have to lose 55 or so, then cut the rest
i mean he's pretty f@ckin flabby, there's clearly a lot there he could lose. he was 250 in his debut and was still completely soft with love handles, jiggling, and 0 definition. whether he could get low enough for cruiser i dunno, but if he were in really good shape i doubt he'd be much above the 220 range. heavyweight conditioning and discipline is pathetic these days
It's got to be harder to motivate themselves because they don't have to make a weight , plus they've seen Fury make a mockery of conditioning .
Not making excuses because Gorman has wasted a good career in my eyes , got plenty of talent .
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 16:30
by mickey1975
rd350lc wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:10
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:58
well he'd only have to lose 55 or so, then cut the rest
i mean he's pretty f@ckin flabby, there's clearly a lot there he could lose. he was 250 in his debut and was still completely soft with love handles, jiggling, and 0 definition. whether he could get low enough for cruiser i dunno, but if he were in really good shape i doubt he'd be much above the 220 range. heavyweight conditioning and discipline is pathetic these days
It's got to be harder to motivate themselves because they don't have to make a weight , plus they've seen Fury make a mockery of conditioning .
Not making excuses because Gorman has wasted a good career in my eyes , got plenty of talent .
There is a video circulating on Twitter of Fury rapping in his hotel room before the Wlad fight (as its seven years ago today) and he is in fantastic shape. Very lean.
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 16:35
by keithmoonhangover
mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:30
rd350lc wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:10
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 15:58
well he'd only have to lose 55 or so, then cut the rest
i mean he's pretty f@ckin flabby, there's clearly a lot there he could lose. he was 250 in his debut and was still completely soft with love handles, jiggling, and 0 definition. whether he could get low enough for cruiser i dunno, but if he were in really good shape i doubt he'd be much above the 220 range. heavyweight conditioning and discipline is pathetic these days
It's got to be harder to motivate themselves because they don't have to make a weight , plus they've seen Fury make a mockery of conditioning .
Not making excuses because Gorman has wasted a good career in my eyes , got plenty of talent .
There is a video circulating on Twitter of Fury rapping in his hotel room before the Wlad fight (as its seven years ago today) and he is in fantastic shape. Very lean.
Was the failed PED test before or after the dancing?
Re: Nathan Gorman - Is that it?
Posted: 28 Nov 2022, 16:40
by bripez
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:35
mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:30
rd350lc wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:10
It's got to be harder to motivate themselves because they don't have to make a weight , plus they've seen Fury make a mockery of conditioning .
Not making excuses because Gorman has wasted a good career in my eyes , got plenty of talent .
There is a video circulating on Twitter of Fury rapping in his hotel room before the Wlad fight (as its seven years ago today) and he is in fantastic shape. Very lean.
Was the failed PED test before or after the dancing?
Yeah, he has always looked terrible physique wise and he looked 40 when he was 20.
Recently though he has looked good, leaned out and looks a lot better.
Wonder wfat has changed?