Ray Robinson (peak) vs Roberto Duran (Leonard I)

[keithmoonhangover]

Who ya got?

[gilgamesh]

This would probably be pretty goddamn tremendous actually. Duran I think would ultimately be outgunned, but he was a skilled enough inside fighter, and just a tough enough and tenacious enough little bastard to give even the very best Ray Robinson a hell of a time.

That being said. I don't know that Robinson ever lost a bout as a Welterweight did he?I know he had a loss when he fought the Middleweight Jake Lamotta while still competing as a Welterweight, but did any Welterweight ever beat him?

I don't think they did.

So no, I think this a mountain a little too tall for Roberto.

But I think he'd make it a Fight of the Year type fight in his effort to try to win.

I can see Robinson stopping Duran in the 13th or 14th round of an epic battle.

[Ambling Alp II]

There is actually little film of Robinson at his peak. However, everything points to Robinson winning. Of course there would have been crybaby excuses for Duran.

[gilgamesh]

Every thread has to turn into a jab at someone in it's way

[Ambling Alp II]

Just can't help myself with Duran. He was just such a disgusting person.

I just want to get in before elmer comes in and says that no one could have beaten the Duran that "whupped" Leonard. (Even though elmer himself only had Duran winning by three points.)
Obviously we can't count Duran getting out boxed by Leonard or Benitez. We must always remember that Duran was always a lightweight no matter what the scale said.

[Nile4000]

I think Ray wins by UD. Roberto would put up an admirable effort but is ultimately outgunned.

[keithmoonhangover]

Every thread has to turn into a jab at someone in it's way

I wouldn't do that, because it's beneath me. But... Duran have just quit. Because he had a poorly stomach.

[DrDuke]

Since Duran won the improved and supplied version of Robinson, he definitely would have chances against the original one.

[oogiebe]

Every thread has to turn into a jab at someone in it's way

You beat me to it. So predictable.

[HomicideHenry]

Ray Robinson is generally considered the greatest welterweight of all time although little film of this peak time frame of his life exists. Roberto Duran is generally considered the greatest lightweight of all time and the biggest win of his career was against arguably the second best welterweight of all time Ray Leonard.

It would be a very competitive matchup between the Duran who defeated Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson that could go either way. The smart money would say Ray but I could see Duran winning a majority or split decision against Robinson, considering he won a unanimous decision over Ray Leonard.

[scorpio83]

SSR would out-box Duran through the early rounds, then Duran would use heavy counter shots to get even with Robinson, but Robinson would come back to out-box Duran behind his jabs and combinations without engaging him on the inside to take a hard fought decision.

[elmersalsa]

I put my mind and money on the great Roberto Duran. Especially in that night in Montreal in 1980, he was from another Planet.

I will also put my mind and money on Sugar Ray Leonard to beat the great original Sugar Ray, too.

[oogiebe]

I put my mind and money on the great Roberto Duran. Especially in that night in Montreal in 1980, he was from another Planet.

I will also put my mind and money on Sugar Ray Leonard to beat the great original Sugar Ray, too.

At least you're consistent.

[gilgamesh]

I put my mind and money on the great Roberto Duran. Especially in that night in Montreal in 1980, he was from another Planet.

I will also put my mind and money on Sugar Ray Leonard to beat the great original Sugar Ray, too.

At least you're consistent.

Yep. He needs to start his own Religion. Duranity.

[Seamus]

I think Duran would be competitive from anywhere from 6 to 9 rds, but after that Robinson's main advantages would come into play. He's was stronger than Leonard and hits harder than Hearns, and that would be the difference. Duran would be forced to frequently hold in the late rounds, because as tough as he is, and that's considerable, he's just not going to be able to eat Sugar Ray powershots like Jake LaMotta did without a good deal of holding. At the bell I'd say Robinson by around 11-3-1.

[gilgamesh]

I think Duran would be competitive from anywhere from 6 to 9 rds, but after that Robinson's main advantages would come into play. He's was stronger than Leonard and hits harder than Hearns, and that would be the difference. Duran would be forced to frequently hold in the late rounds, because as tough as he is, and that's considerable, he's just not going to be able to eat Sugar Ray powershots like Jake LaMotta did without a good deal of holding. At the bell I'd say Robinson by around 11-3-1.

He don't hit harder than Hearns with his very best punch I don't think, but he has more potent punches in his repertoire. He is stronger than Leonard though.

Hearns' straight right is probably the most devastating punch between the 2 of 'em.

Robinson has the better overall arsenal though.

[elmersalsa]

I put my mind and money on the great Roberto Duran. Especially in that night in Montreal in 1980, he was from another Planet.

I will also put my mind and money on Sugar Ray Leonard to beat the great original Sugar Ray, too.

At least you're consistent.

Yep. He needs to start his own Religion. Duranity.

Robinson can't fight inside. Duran would tear him up in close quarters.

[elmersalsa]

At 154lbs and above, Robinson
At 147 and below, Duran

[gilgamesh]

At least you're consistent.

Yep. He needs to start his own Religion. Duranity.

Robinson can't fight inside. Duran would tear him up in close quarters.

You're the 1st person that ever said Robinson couldn't fight inside.

[oogiebe]

Yep. He needs to start his own Religion. Duranity.

Robinson can't fight inside. Duran would tear him up in close quarters.

You're the 1st person that ever said Robinson couldn't fight inside.

He doesn't even realize how biased he is.

[Ambling Alp II]

Robinson's left hook we have all been seeing must be some sort of trick camera work.

[elmersalsa]

Yep. He needs to start his own Religion. Duranity.

Robinson can't fight inside. Duran would tear him up in close quarters.

You're the 1st person that ever said Robinson couldn't fight inside.

Well, show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. Show me one, please. That's your homework, mister!

[elmersalsa]

Robinson can't fight inside. Duran would tear him up in close quarters.

You're the 1st person that ever said Robinson couldn't fight inside.

He doesn't even realize how biased he is.

You, too. Show me a video that the great Sugar Ray Robinson was a great inside fighter.

I bet you that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better inside fighter than he.

[Seamus]

Robinson could fight on the inside, he was just much better from the outside. I could just as easily make an argument that Duran couldn't fight on the outside.

[oogiebe]

You're the 1st person that ever said Robinson couldn't fight inside.

He doesn't even realize how biased he is.

You, too. Show me a video that the great Sugar Ray Robinson was a great inside fighter.

I bet you that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better inside fighter than he.

LOL!!!! tell me again how I'm biased?