Ray Robinson (peak) vs Roberto Duran (Leonard I)

[elmersalsa]

Robinson could fight on the inside, he was just much better from the outside. I could just as easily make an argument that Duran couldn't fight on the outside.

What fight you saw that he had tremendous inside game. Even Muhammad Ali was a better inside fighter than he.

Like I said before, I could name at least 10 fighters/boxers that were MORE COMPLETE than Robinson. Duran was one of them.

[elmersalsa]

These guys just like yapping and yapping out of their mouth. I challenged them to find where was the great Sugar Ray Robinson a great inside fighter? When and what fight? There are his videos on YouTube.

I went myself to do the homework. The guy was not a great inside fighter.

Ten more complete fighters than Robinson, no order: at least, I found 10.
1. Roberto Duran
2. Salvador Sanchez
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Eusebio Pedroza (the most complete fighter that I have ever seen)
5. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
6. Eder Jofre
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Ricardo " Finito" Lopez
9. Miguel "Happy" Lora
10. Ismael Laguna

[oogiebe]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

[tiny_acres]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

[oogiebe]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

[HomicideHenry]

Maybe one way to put it would be that Ray Robinson could fight on the inside but he wasn't the greatest at it. Now if he went up against some average boxer of his era, or even a fringe contender of his era, he could easily tear them up on the inside or easily defend against their attacks on the inside. But, he could not do it as well (keywords) against top contenders or the elite of his era.

Which is why he struggled with people like Jake LaMotta, Carmen Basilio, and Gene Fullmer. And it's not just because of being a middleweight or him being older, but that even the best fighters have some sort of limitation in their overall abilities.

Maybe Ray Robinson was the greatest overall fighter where his speed was 9/10, chin 9/10, etc but his inside fighting offense and defense was more like 7/10. A drop or two in points on a scale from 0 to 10 can change everything. In this regard I would rate Roberto Duran higher than Ray Robinson in terms of infighting.

[elmersalsa]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

[elmersalsa]

Maybe one way to put it would be that Ray Robinson could fight on the inside but he wasn't the greatest at it. Now if he went up against some average boxer of his era, or even a fringe contender of his era, he could easily tear them up on the inside or easily defend against their attacks on the inside. But, he could not do it as well (keywords) against top contenders or the elite of his era.

Which is why he struggled with people like Jake LaMotta, Carmen Basilio, and Gene Fullmer. And it's not just because of being a middleweight or him being older, but that even the best fighters have some sort of limitation in their overall abilities.

Maybe Ray Robinson was the greatest overall fighter where his speed was 9/10, chin 9/10, etc but his inside fighting offense and defense was more like 7/10. A drop or two in points on a scale from 0 to 10 can change everything. In this regard I would rate Roberto Duran higher than Ray Robinson in terms of infighting.

Welk put, but I think his inside game was a 4/10 at best.

[Seamus]

Robinson demonstrating he could fight on the inside

[tiny_acres]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

Check Seanus' video below.
Check mate Cockgobbler

[elmersalsa]

Robinson demonstrating he could fight on the inside

You failed Seamus. Just as you think that boxing is fighting like running Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. That is not inside fighting at all. Sorry.

[elmersalsa]

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

Check Seanus' video below.
Check mate Cockgobbler

You don't have a clue what is inside fighting. Check mate, again!

[Seamus]

Where do you get he couldn't fight on the inside ? Because he foolishly went toe to toe for long periods with some guys who were physically stronger and sometimes much heavier like LaMotta. Even then,while he lost more rds than he would have by fighting on the outside, he certainly wasn't dominated.

[gilgamesh]

Robinson demonstrating he could fight on the inside

You failed Seamus. Just as you think that boxing is fighting like running Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. That is not inside fighting at all. Sorry.

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

[HomicideHenry]

Robinson demonstrating he could fight on the inside

I agree that he could fight on the inside but my view is something had to be the weakest attribute of Ray Robinson's overall fight game. If it wasn't fighting on the inside then it had to be something else. There's no way somebody could ever be a perfect 10 across the board.

[elmersalsa]

Where do you get he couldn't fight on the inside ? Because he foolishly went toe to toe for long periods with some guys who were physically stronger and sometimes much heavier like LaMotta. Even then,while he lost more rds than he would have by fighting on the outside, he certainly wasn't dominated.

There's no indication of any of his boxing career footage that Sugar Ray Robinson showed he was a great inside fighter. None!

To say that he was the most complete fighter ever is a LIE to many people. I have ten better complete fighters that had better boxing skills than he did. Another great one, Mike McCallum, is the eleventh fighter that I have seen that was most complete than he.

[elmersalsa]

Robinson demonstrating he could fight on the inside

You failed Seamus. Just as you think that boxing is fighting like running Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. That is not inside fighting at all. Sorry.

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

[oogiebe]

Ok, he's taking the piss, yeah?

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

How about a fight where he struggled inside?

[oogiebe]

You failed Seamus. Just as you think that boxing is fighting like running Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. That is not inside fighting at all. Sorry.

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

Bruh, give it up. PLEASE give it up.

[gilgamesh]

You failed Seamus. Just as you think that boxing is fighting like running Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. That is not inside fighting at all. Sorry.

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

It's hard not to get personal when someone makes an argument with as much merit as 2+2 = Jello.

[p4p1]

That video shows that Robinson had a lot of craft on the inside and also used tricks to turn his opponent and gain distance. From what I have seen he was very well rounded and very tough but not flashy in the way that say a Jones Jr was. His style could certainly be used successfully by fighters without his physical gifts. From some of the footage I have seen from his LaMotta fights he could certainly fight on the inside.

Robinson's day wasn't that far removed from the days where guys would fight more rounds and fight more inside in what I can only assume was a strategy to conserve energy? It makes sense that a lot of trainers would still be working with those strategies and that knowledge and the importance placed on being able to fight on the inside or coming up with effective ways (other than foot movement) to get distance from your opponent.

Anyway - I think Robinson wins. Duran would be able to get on the inside but I think that Robinson could match him when he needed to and still be able to keep him on the outside for enough of the fight to put rounds in the bank. He would have the power to hurt Duran, I'm not so sure that Duran would have the power to hurt Robinson though.

[elmersalsa]

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

It's hard not to get personal when someone makes an argument with as much merit as 2+2 = Jello.

Oh, so you want to get personal?

[elmersalsa]

He's literally breathing on the guys you f*cking moron. That's as inside as it gets.

You don't even have a clue what is the art of fighting inside, gilgamesh. Don't get personal, okay?

Bruh, give it up. PLEASE give it up.

You give it up.

[elmersalsa]

I still think he masturbates to Duran fights. I've seen fanboys but this guy is a cockgobbler

That's all you got to say? Grow up, boy! Show me a fight that Sugar Ray Robinson fought well inside. He was not a good inside fighter. That is a fact that you and your 2 goon friends can't accept. Check mate!

How about a fight where he struggled inside?

Every time that Robinson is in danger of mixing it up, he grabs and holds. He is not a great inside fighter by any means. He ain't gonna whip Duran in the inside.

[Seamus]

A considerably worse match up would be when Robinson makes Duran fight on the outside, where Sugar Ray has big advantages in reach, handspeed and of course punching power.