BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Parker vs. Massey

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Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joseph Parker - 31(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 27.01.2023 vs. Helaman Olguin - 9(4) 4(3) 1 - (BoxRec's #243)

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA

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Are the rankings affected with Joseph Parker's win over Massey?

Please vote in poll.

[oogiebe]

I can't lower Parker without lowering Whyte. So no change.

[Ruthless-RKO]

No change for me.

Nice comeback win after that tough loss to Joyce.

For me, it's a good turnaround to get back in the ring.

I think we'll see him fight someone better around Summer.

Some said, he shouldn't have returned so soon.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It's looks pretty dead at the moment..

We have potential fights.

Fury-Usyk
Joshua-Franklin
Joyce-Zhang
Ruiz-Hrgovic/Wilder
Whyte-Wallin
Yoka-Takam

[oogiebe]

Fury-Usyk - determines #1 in the world
Joshua-Franklin - No movement for AJ. Could move up Franklin if he pulls off the upset
Joyce-Zhang - JJ moves up after demolishing Zhang
Ruiz-Hrgovic - Hrg drops out after getting stopped by Ruiz
Whyte-Wallin - Couldn't care less
Yoka-Takam - Ok, I could care less.

[DrDuke]

Parker to 8th. Whyte deserves to be higher. He won Parker, his last loss was to a champion, Parker's one was to a contender. Whyte's last win was over a fringe contender, while Parker has just defeated a complete noname.

[CMCanavessi]

I don't like him 7th (would rank him lower), but in this ranking the ones below him are awful so he should remain there.

[tiny_acres]

No change.
The top 5 are solid. After that it is a big drop. I don't remember such an uneventful and boring division in a very long time.

[joshj909]

Parker to 8. No reason for him to be above Whyte, who he lost to. Both have wins over similar level opposition, though I'd give Whyte the edge especially over the past few years, but Whyte holds a historic win over Parker. Both have losses to top 3 guys which shouldn't change the rankings of guys ranked down at 7/8.

[KiwiRider]

Fury-Usyk - determines #1 in the world
Joshua-Franklin - No movement for AJ. Could move up Franklin if he pulls off the upset
Joyce-Zhang - JJ moves up after demolishing Zhang
Ruiz-Hrgovic - Hrg drops out after getting stopped by Ruiz
Whyte-Wallin - Couldn't care less
Yoka-Takam - Ok, I could care less.

Bloody heck Oogs, your a Guru.
This will save an absolute fortune in PPVs!
You only have to watch Fury Uysk and it probably won't happen anyway

[oogiebe]

Fury-Usyk - determines #1 in the world
Joshua-Franklin - No movement for AJ. Could move up Franklin if he pulls off the upset
Joyce-Zhang - JJ moves up after demolishing Zhang
Ruiz-Hrgovic - Hrg drops out after getting stopped by Ruiz
Whyte-Wallin - Couldn't care less
Yoka-Takam - Ok, I could care less.

Bloody heck Oogs, your a Guru.
This will save an absolute fortune in PPVs!
You only have to watch Fury Uysk and it probably won't happen anyway

Funny but sad, isn't it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

9 or below seems off. He just won..

Bakole hasn’t done anything since the Yoka win.

Inactivity is gonna be the end of him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Any more votes on this.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

04.03.2023 - Agit Kabayel - 22(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #47) vs. Agron Smakici - 19(17) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #38)

23.03.2023 - Simon Kean - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #37) vs. Eric Molina - 29(21) 8(8) 0 - (BoxRec's #100)

[DrDuke]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

04.03.2023 - Agit Kabayel - 22(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #47) vs. Agron Smakici - 19(17) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #38)

23.03.2023 - Simon Keanl - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #37) vs. Eric Molina - 29(21) 8(8) 0 - (BoxRec's #100)

Another mismatches.

[HomicideHenry]

No change because after all who the hell is Jack Massey anyways? If it was an opponent with any real name recognition floating in the top 15 or 20 it might have made a difference.

[stevec@france]

only saw highlights and it looked a dull and laborious version of parker maybe he hasnt fully recovered from the JJ beating.
Massey is way below elite whilst parker aspires to be champion again

[oogiebe]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

04.03.2023 - Agit Kabayel - 22(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #47) vs. Agron Smakici - 19(17) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #38)

23.03.2023 - Simon Keanl - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #37) vs. Eric Molina - 29(21) 8(8) 0 - (BoxRec's #100)

Another mismatches.

kean can be KO'd. If Molina has anything left in the tank and can be somewhat motivated, could be a barnburner. More likely a Kean early KO.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

04.03.2023 - Agit Kabayel - 22(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #47) vs. Agron Smakici - 19(17) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #38)

23.03.2023 - Simon Keanl - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #37) vs. Eric Molina - 29(21) 8(8) 0 - (BoxRec's #100)

Another mismatches.

kean can be KO'd. If Molina has anything left in the tank and can be somewhat motivated, could be a barnburner. More likely a Kean early KO.

Molina usually just folds for no reason

[oogiebe]

Another mismatches.

kean can be KO'd. If Molina has anything left in the tank and can be somewhat motivated, could be a barnburner. More likely a Kean early KO.

Molina usually just folds for no reason

True, but if lands early (which he sometimes does) Kean might be seeing stars.

[DrDuke]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

04.03.2023 - Agit Kabayel - 22(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #47) vs. Agron Smakici - 19(17) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #38)

23.03.2023 - Simon Keanl - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #37) vs. Eric Molina - 29(21) 8(8) 0 - (BoxRec's #100)

Another mismatches.

kean can be KO'd. If Molina has anything left in the tank and can be somewhat motivated, could be a barnburner. More likely a Kean early KO.

Yet recently Molina has been looking shot against anyone decent.

[gregregegg]

Q: When was the last time Molina fought someone semi decent and didnt get chinned?

A: approximately 7 years ago vs tommas adamek (who was a cruiserweight and nearly 40 and winning wide on points)

IF you dont count that as decent you have to go back to DaVarryl Williamson or Tony Grano who were both at the verrrrry end of there carrers... IF you dont count them as decent then Molina has never fought a decent fighter and not got stopped....

Which begs another question.... How the fornicate is Molina a name?...

[joshj909]

Q: When was the last time Molina fought someone semi decent and didnt get chinned?

A: approximately 7 years ago vs tommas adamek (who was a cruiserweight and nearly 40 and winning wide on points)

IF you dont count that as decent you have to go back to DaVarryl Williamson or Tony Grano who were both at the verrrrry end of there carrers... IF you dont count them as decent then Molina has never fought a decent fighter and not got stopped....

Which begs another question.... How the fornicate is Molina a name?...

I can only guess it's because he got promoted as a good opponent by the propaganda machine for his first big fight against Arreola and by the time he faced Wilder he was "an established contender who has been in there with big names like Arreola". Once that has been rinsed and repeated a few times people stop asking questions and it is just accepted. It's similar to a few of the "big names" Wilder defended his belt against. Just look at how people perceive Wallin currently...

[DrDuke]

Q: When was the last time Molina fought someone semi decent and didnt get chinned?

A: approximately 7 years ago vs tommas adamek (who was a cruiserweight and nearly 40 and winning wide on points)

IF you dont count that as decent you have to go back to DaVarryl Williamson or Tony Grano who were both at the verrrrry end of there carrers... IF you dont count them as decent then Molina has never fought a decent fighter and not got stopped....

Which begs another question.... How the fornicate is Molina a name?...

I can only guess it's because he got promoted as a good opponent by the propaganda machine for his first big fight against Arreola and by the time he faced Wilder he was "an established contender who has been in there with big names like Arreola". Once that has been rinsed and repeated a few times people stop asking questions and it is just accepted. It's similar to a few of the "big names" Wilder defended his belt against. Just look at how people perceive Wallin currently...

That's right, sometimes fighters are brought to a relatively big fight barely from nowhere, after what they are known for that and promoters use it. They can cherry pick someone for a title defence and then promote him as a former title challenger.

[gregregegg]

Q: When was the last time Molina fought someone semi decent and didnt get chinned?

A: approximately 7 years ago vs tommas adamek (who was a cruiserweight and nearly 40 and winning wide on points)

IF you dont count that as decent you have to go back to DaVarryl Williamson or Tony Grano who were both at the verrrrry end of there carrers... IF you dont count them as decent then Molina has never fought a decent fighter and not got stopped....

Which begs another question.... How the fornicate is Molina a name?...

I can only guess it's because he got promoted as a good opponent by the propaganda machine for his first big fight against Arreola and by the time he faced Wilder he was "an established contender who has been in there with big names like Arreola". Once that has been rinsed and repeated a few times people stop asking questions and it is just accepted. It's similar to a few of the "big names" Wilder defended his belt against. Just look at how people perceive Wallin currently...

Yep, probably the case. It would be one thing if he was going close with champs... but the truth is, he isnt good at winning rounds, and he gets stopped at anything above brittish levle... add in he is 40+ and Still a fornicating name.

Yep wallin is one i fornicating hate. i dont actualy think he is that bad, better than molina anyway. but fornicating hell, he cut fury and now seems to be top 15 for ever... looked very average vs breazeal, looked dogshit vs soko and is now fighting a guy i wouldent put in with the likes of johny fisher...