Keir Starmer & Labour

[HomicideHenry]

The comment was made on GBNews that if people were asked out on the street to name two economic policies that Keir Starmer was putting forward that nobody could really name it.

I tend to agree, because if BoxRec is a microcosm of England I haven't seen a single left-wing voter really explain what Starmer actually would do differently than Rishi Sunak.

It seems everything boils down to people just hating the Tories so much that they just want to get rid of them even though they have no real idea how Starmer will do anything, and there are some polls out there where people on the whole are not really sold on Starmer personally but rather they are just majorly dissatisfied with the Tories.



I think if people were to stand back a bit and look at the exchanges between the two-party leaders one might feel a sense of embarrassment because Keir Starmer is coming across like a child bickering at another child on the playground.



According to Redfield & Wilton Strategies on their word association poll concerning Starmer when asked what do voters associate policy-wise with Starmer the most common answer was, "I don't know," which is shocking because the man has been the leader of the labour party for 3 years.

[Nightmare Roy]

Anything is better than the corrupt criminals we have in charge at the moment.

[Counter-puncher]

wait, what? Henry casts his discerning, and entirely objective, eye on the UK political scene, and, would you believe? it seems that he finds the Tories more to his liking.

well, if that doesn't shock you, nothing will.

[HomicideHenry]

wait, what? Henry casts his discerning, and entirely objective, eye on the UK political scene, and, would you believe? it seems that he finds the Tories more to his liking.

well, if that doesn't shock you, nothing will.

No I'm just merely asking the question if nobody really knows what Starmer's policies or agenda actually is or how he would actually fix anything... why are people so gung-ho on electing the labour party?

It has to be strictly about the poor performance of the Tories more than anything else since nobody can quite pinpoint what Starmer is really all about. For me that's kind of like taking a major gamble on something completely uncertain.

[chinarich]

In many respects Labour under Keir Starmer are absolutely infuriating, it's hard to discern major policy differences between them and the Conservatives although I suppose one has to wait until the release of election manifestos to draw a proper conclusion. In my opinion it seems that Starmer is scared to present any policies that will spook the Red Wall, whose votes he needs in order to win back the traditional Labour heartlands lost to the Tories in 2019. The approach to Brexit and refusing to even countenance rejoining the Single Market whilst at the same time pledging to remove some of the current barriers to trade illustrates this. He can't explain how he is going to achieve what he says he will do.

I just think that Starmer hopes Labour will win the election based on them not being as corrupt or mired in scandal as the Conservatives and people largely feeling that they need a change. They certainly won't get my vote, although I won't vote Conservative I hasten to add...

[Counter-puncher]

why are people so gung-ho on electing the labour party?

because they have seen the Tories and their corruption (tory cronies making £millions over the covid crisis), and incompetence (Liz Truss killing the economy costing us 65 billion in one day with the mini-budget) for oevr a decade

and so on and so on

you mention that Labour don't seem to have any alternatives, thats kind of true at the moment

have you also noticed that Sunak's pretty much only answer is to refer to Jeremy Corbyn? he's so sh1t, his only line is to diss the dude who hasn't even lead the labour party in about 3-4 years.

my point being the tories are just as mired in having no actual plan/s, i mean their killer line is 'meh the guy who used to lead you was really bad', I mean, dudes, really? but they also come with the baggage of royally fvcking loads of things up over the past few years.

[The Gratest]

why are people so gung-ho on electing the labour party?

because they have seen the Tories and their corruption (tory cronies making £millions over the covid crisis), and incompetence (Liz Truss killing the economy costing us 65 billion in one day with the mini-budget) for oevr a decade

and so on and so on.

If only there was a thread detailing all this that he could read......

[HomicideHenry]

In many respects Labour under Keir Starmer are absolutely infuriating, it's hard to discern major policy differences between them and the Conservatives although I suppose one has to wait until the release of election manifestos to draw a proper conclusion.

In my opinion it seems that Starmer is scared to present any policies that will spook the Red Wall, whose votes he needs in order to win back the traditional Labour heartlands lost to the Tories in 2019. The approach to Brexit and refusing to even countenance rejoining the Single Market whilst at the same time pledging to remove some of the current barriers to trade illustrates this. He can't explain how he is going to achieve what he says he will do.

I just think that Starmer hopes Labour will win the election based on them not being as corrupt or mired in scandal as the Conservatives and people largely feeling that they need a change. They certainly won't get my vote, although I won't vote Conservative I hasten to add...

I tend to agree with you. He refuses to be pinned down on virtually anything, and he won't give no answers one way or another on various topics because he knows if he does it will cause people to pump the brakes and either not vote all or continue to vote for the Tories.

The moment the man was ever forced into a debate where he had to outline a solid position and how he would do things, I think the support for the labour party would start to dwindle. By how much is the question, though.

[TheRiverCityHippy]

Starmer is the second coming of Tony Blair, the guy is a snake oil salesman, a complete and utter carpetbagger. The deafening silence from our media re Al Jazeera’s Labour Files documentaries just shows you how well connected he is.
He’s a knight of the realm, writes articles in right wing papers, goes after left wing MP’s and spent last week in Davos cosying up to crooked spivvy billionaires yet see”s his @rse if any front bench MP has the temerity to join a picket line.

[Lenny Cravats]

Name two economic policies of Sunak, without Googling, Henry.

Leaving the PMQs bit aside, as Starmer wins every single week (I genuinely don't know what you're watching) - 50% voter intention Vs 21% is massive.

Starmer is competent. He has a decent track record of competence.

He's more traditional Tory than old Labour.

I'm not a big fan, but yes, Henry... You're right. We need this corrupt, inept gang of wankers out ASAP, and fortunately, huge numbers of the population agree.

[HomicideHenry]

Name two economic policies of Sunak, without Googling, Henry.

Leaving the PMQs bit aside, as Starmer wins every single week (I genuinely don't know what you're watching) - 50% voter intention Vs 21% is massive.

Starmer is competent. He has a decent track record of competence.

He's more traditional Tory than old Labour.

I'm not a big fan, but yes, Henry... You're right. We need this corrupt, inept gang of wankers out ASAP, and fortunately, huge numbers of the population agree.

To be honest with you as I have said many times before I can't necessarily call Sunak a conservative because fiscally or socially it's not conservative. Whatever it is that the Tories are it's a far cry from genuine conservatism. I think the same is true of Truss, Johnson and May that even though they run under a conservative tag their policies socially or fiscally are not necessarily conservative.

So I think really Rishi Sunak, in many ways, is in the same boat as Keir Starmer. He may put out his wish list of what he wants to accomplish but he does not say how he's going to achieve it. He waves the flag of conservatism but the high taxation, etc seems more in line with progressive spending. So he is an enigma. I think if you were to ask people out on the street what was his agenda or specific policies nobody could really answer that either.

It's as if both men are being purposefully mysterious because the election is in the not so distant future so they don't want to say anything too much on any particular subject. The only thing the two men are good at is pointing out flaws in both political parties or in each other, and unfortunately for Sunak he's not as good a talker as Starmer.

I would like you to elaborate however on how Starmer is more a traditional Tory than he is old Labour, especially when there is so many people in the Labour party who are of this woke mindset.

[Teddy's Toupee]

wait, what? Henry casts his discerning, and entirely objective, eye on the UK political scene, and, would you believe? it seems that he finds the Tories more to his liking.

well, if that doesn't shock you, nothing will.

No I'm just merely asking the question if nobody really knows what Starmer's policies or agenda actually is or how he would actually fix anything... why are people so gung-ho on electing the labour party?

It has to be strictly about the poor performance of the Tories more than anything else since nobody can quite pinpoint what Starmer is really all about. For me that's kind of like taking a major gamble on something completely uncertain.

Homicide "Just Asking Questions" Henry.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Starmer is the second coming of Tony Blair, the guy is a snake oil salesman, a complete and utter carpetbagger. The deafening silence from our media re Al Jazeera’s Labour Files documentaries just shows you how well connected he is.
He’s a knight of the realm, writes articles in right wing papers, goes after left wing MP’s and spent last week in Davos cosying up to crooked spivvy billionaires yet see”s his @rse if any front bench MP has the temerity to join a picket line.

He's acceptable to the established elites of this country who can just about tolerate a Torylite, right-wing Labour government every now and again to give the impression of democratic choice and change.

[skanksta]

Anything is better than the corrupt criminals we have in charge at the moment.

Yeah and that’s why Labour aren’t going big on policy or ideas. Their whole pitch is “he’s somebody else !”
Worked for Biden…

[skanksta]

Starmer is the second coming of Tony Blair, the guy is a snake oil salesman, a complete and utter carpetbagger. The deafening silence from our media re Al Jazeera’s Labour Files documentaries just shows you how well connected he is.
He’s a knight of the realm, writes articles in right wing papers, goes after left wing MP’s and spent last week in Davos cosying up to crooked spivvy billionaires yet see”s his @rse if any front bench MP has the temerity to join a picket line.

Yes, but you were conned by the Tories’ Brexit, so maybe he can fool enough Tories to vote for him? Tories promised “ levelling up” and £350m a week spent on the NHS, Labour promise not to “fcvk business”
It’s called campaigning.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Anything is better than the corrupt criminals we have in charge at the moment.

Yeah and that’s why Labour aren’t going big on policy or ideas. Their whole pitch is “he’s somebody else !”
Worked for Biden…

They aren't going big on policy or ideas because the Labour right haven't got any. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you think otherwise.

[Boxerbeetle]

Britain is a right wing country, think we can all agree on that by now. Labour will never get in on a left-wing platform, certainly not whilst the Boomers are still around anyway.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Britain is a right wing country, think we can all agree on that by now. Labour will never get in on a left-wing platform, certainly not whilst the Boomers are still around anyway.

England is right-wing. Too many idiots convinced the values of their houses increasing is down to their innate entrepeneurship, and the Tories are the party for aspiring entrepeneurs.

[skanksta]

Anything is better than the corrupt criminals we have in charge at the moment.

Yeah and that’s why Labour aren’t going big on policy or ideas. Their whole pitch is “he’s somebody else !”
Worked for Biden…

They aren't going big on policy or ideas because the Labour right haven't got any. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you think otherwise.

More than likely, sadly.
I’m still hopeful tho - I’m a naive optimist and Biden turned out to be about as left wing as any POTUS since the 30s !

[skanksta]

Britain is a right wing country, think we can all agree on that by now. Labour will never get in on a left-wing platform, certainly not whilst the Boomers are still around anyway.

England is right-wing. Too many idiots convinced the values of their houses increasing is down to their innate entrepeneurship, and the Tories are the party for aspiring entrepeneurs.

We’ll put.
Wales and Scotland generally vote lefter.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Yeah and that’s why Labour aren’t going big on policy or ideas. Their whole pitch is “he’s somebody else !”
Worked for Biden…

They aren't going big on policy or ideas because the Labour right haven't got any. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you think otherwise.

More than likely, sadly.
I’m still hopeful tho

Don't be. "SensibleCentrist" Starmer is the establishment's Labour leader of choice to make it seem like we have a choice, but with no real change.

[Coco]

Smarmer is a beacon in the darkness



...........for the Tories

[Boxerbeetle]

Fvcking Little Englander Tory idiots, ruining Britain for the rest of us.

[Fray Bentos]

I am sure they got what they voted for 'eating or heating' 'universal credit' 'food banks' 'zero hour contracts' 'bank of mum and dad' etc etc -we got all these realities because people keep voting for these pudenda.
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[IRONFIST]

Wootton knows the score with today's Labour morons: