David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 02 Feb 2023, 08:48
Peak vs peak, Who ya got?
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David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
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Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 02 Feb 2023, 08:58
If to add Marciano some pounds, it would be a decent scrap. Two straighforward fighters with granite chins and huge powah.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 02 Feb 2023, 10:31
I do not see Marciano stopping the iron chinned Tua. This is one of the fights where Marciano is in a distinct disadvantage. Tua has a great chin, good stamina and loves to mix it to. Marciano would try to go toe to toe with him and you can't beat Tua on the inside.
Tua either ud or stoppage late
Would be a fun brawl
Tua either ud or stoppage late
Would be a fun brawl
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 02 Feb 2023, 11:55
Tua via TKO
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 02 Feb 2023, 15:38
Yes Tua had a greater chin than Marciano but peak for peak, Marciano would outwork Tua with more quickness with his better body punching and head shot while being hit himself, but Marciano's chin could endure punishment even from the heavier Tua as Marciano would take a decision. You should not underestimate the old school fighter like Marciano and never compare to different eras like Marciano and Tua, who never won the World Heavyweight or other major alphabet titles something Marciano won back then was the one World Heavyweight title.
Like I said before, Marciano outwork Tua behind his quicker feet and threw better punches to take a decision while Tua would be too much left hook happy as Marciano would bob and weave through.
Like I said before, Marciano outwork Tua behind his quicker feet and threw better punches to take a decision while Tua would be too much left hook happy as Marciano would bob and weave through.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 03 Feb 2023, 00:53
One title, but the lesser competition in comparison to the 90s.scorpio83 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2023, 15:38 Yes Tua had a greater chin than Marciano but peak for peak, Marciano would outwork Tua with more quickness with his better body punching and head shot while being hit himself, but Marciano's chin could endure punishment even from the heavier Tua as Marciano would take a decision. You should not underestimate the old school fighter like Marciano and never compare to different eras like Marciano and Tua, who never won the World Heavyweight or other major alphabet titles something Marciano won back then was the one World Heavyweight title.
Like I said before, Marciano outwork Tua behind his quicker feet and threw better punches to take a decision while Tua would be too much left hook happy as Marciano would bob and weave through.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 03 Feb 2023, 02:32
Marciano trying to slug it out with Tua. I feel like Marciano probably has better stamina, defense, and a busier work rate. That being said. I just can't see him hurting Tua, and I can see Tua hurting him, cutting him, busting him up.
They're both Hammers in this fight. But only one of 'em is also an Anvil. The Hammer breaks before the Anvil does.
They're both Hammers in this fight. But only one of 'em is also an Anvil. The Hammer breaks before the Anvil does.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 03 Feb 2023, 08:00
They were great fighters in the 1950s while the competition in the 1990s, most of the heavyweight fighters were a little inconsistent just imo.DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Feb 2023, 00:53One title, but the lesser competition in comparison to the 90s.scorpio83 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2023, 15:38 Yes Tua had a greater chin than Marciano but peak for peak, Marciano would outwork Tua with more quickness with his better body punching and head shot while being hit himself, but Marciano's chin could endure punishment even from the heavier Tua as Marciano would take a decision. You should not underestimate the old school fighter like Marciano and never compare to different eras like Marciano and Tua, who never won the World Heavyweight or other major alphabet titles something Marciano won back then was the one World Heavyweight title.
Like I said before, Marciano outwork Tua behind his quicker feet and threw better punches to take a decision while Tua would be too much left hook happy as Marciano would bob and weave through.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 03 Feb 2023, 08:13
Well, even Walcott with Charles had problems with consistency and they were the best in Rocky's resume.scorpio83 wrote: ↑03 Feb 2023, 08:00They were great fighters in the 1950s while the competition in the 1990s, most of the heavyweight fighters were a little inconsistent just imo.DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Feb 2023, 00:53One title, but the lesser competition in comparison to the 90s.scorpio83 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2023, 15:38 Yes Tua had a greater chin than Marciano but peak for peak, Marciano would outwork Tua with more quickness with his better body punching and head shot while being hit himself, but Marciano's chin could endure punishment even from the heavier Tua as Marciano would take a decision. You should not underestimate the old school fighter like Marciano and never compare to different eras like Marciano and Tua, who never won the World Heavyweight or other major alphabet titles something Marciano won back then was the one World Heavyweight title.
Like I said before, Marciano outwork Tua behind his quicker feet and threw better punches to take a decision while Tua would be too much left hook happy as Marciano would bob and weave through.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 04 Feb 2023, 15:12
At least you admitted that great fighters had consistency while we come to agree to disagree as we made our different opinion. Btw, the only way Marciano could beat Tua was not engaging him on the inside, but boxing him on the outside behind his jabs and heavy punches to take a decision like the Duke did to George Foreman and Marvelous Marvin did to Bad Bennie, who mostly boxed on the outside to take a decision with their speed, so could Rocky.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 04 Feb 2023, 21:45
Yet Marciano wasn't that type of a fighter.scorpio83 wrote: ↑04 Feb 2023, 15:12At least you admitted that great fighters had consistency while we come to agree to disagree as we made our different opinion. Btw, the only way Marciano could beat Tua was not engaging him on the inside, but boxing him on the outside behind his jabs and heavy punches to take a decision like the Duke did to George Foreman and Marvelous Marvin did to Bad Bennie, who mostly boxed on the outside to take a decision with their speed, so could Rocky.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 04 Feb 2023, 22:11
I could just imagine Rocky with his little flipper arms trying to outbox a manDrDuke wrote: ↑04 Feb 2023, 21:45Yet Marciano wasn't that type of a fighter.scorpio83 wrote: ↑04 Feb 2023, 15:12At least you admitted that great fighters had consistency while we come to agree to disagree as we made our different opinion. Btw, the only way Marciano could beat Tua was not engaging him on the inside, but boxing him on the outside behind his jabs and heavy punches to take a decision like the Duke did to George Foreman and Marvelous Marvin did to Bad Bennie, who mostly boxed on the outside to take a decision with their speed, so could Rocky.
from the outside.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 17:19
If it was the aggressive Tua, it would be interesting. However, if it's the Tua that just stands around, waiting to land the big left hook, Marciano would have dominated him.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 05 Feb 2023, 22:43
Tua would outweigh him by at least 40 pounds. Marciano weighed usually about 190. He was like a cruiserweight, but sometimes he fought guys who were above 200, but no one nearly as heavy as Tua. In Tua's 5 losses, he never was knocked out. I think Marciano would go to the body more, but we're talking about Tua at his peak, so he wouldn't be as flabby.
Marciano and Tua had similar height, reach, and possibly punching power. The major differences are weight, hand speed, and stamina. Tua has the weight advantage, but Marciano has better hand speed and stamina. Marciano threw a lot of punches without getting fatigued and he never lost. A video game simulation on YouTube has Marciano winning by KO in the fifth round, even with the weight disparity. My opinion is I could see it going the distance for 12 rounds, but this is 15 rounds, so I think it could be a KO in rounds 13-15 or close decision with Marciano winning.
Marciano and Tua had similar height, reach, and possibly punching power. The major differences are weight, hand speed, and stamina. Tua has the weight advantage, but Marciano has better hand speed and stamina. Marciano threw a lot of punches without getting fatigued and he never lost. A video game simulation on YouTube has Marciano winning by KO in the fifth round, even with the weight disparity. My opinion is I could see it going the distance for 12 rounds, but this is 15 rounds, so I think it could be a KO in rounds 13-15 or close decision with Marciano winning.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 06 Feb 2023, 12:43
Thank you RScarf1, some fans were ignoring the fact that despite the weight differences, Marciano had better speed and stamina to throw punches at long or short distance, then he could move side to side with bobbing and weaving to take a decision.RScarf1 wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023, 22:43 Tua would outweigh him by at least 40 pounds. Marciano weighed usually about 190. He was like a cruiserweight, but sometimes he fought guys who were above 200, but no one nearly as heavy as Tua. In Tua's 5 losses, he never was knocked out. I think Marciano would go to the body more, but we're talking about Tua at his peak, so he wouldn't be as flabby.
Marciano and Tua had similar height, reach, and possibly punching power. The major differences are weight, hand speed, and stamina. Tua has the weight advantage, but Marciano has better hand speed and stamina. Marciano threw a lot of punches without getting fatigued and he never lost. A video game simulation on YouTube has Marciano winning by KO in the fifth round, even with the weight disparity. My opinion is I could see it going the distance for 12 rounds, but this is 15 rounds, so I think it could be a KO in rounds 13-15 or close decision with Marciano winning.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 06 Feb 2023, 23:36
You're welcome. I just give my opinion based on their abilities. I met Tua recently at the Florida Boxing Hall of Fame. He is probably the best heavyweight to ever be inducted by them (with the exception of Muhammad Ali) and that includes the ones who were heavyweight champion briefly such as Shannon Briggs and Pinklon Thomas. Tua beat Michael Moorer who was also inducted in another class. I had to edit this because I forgot that Muhammad Ali was inducted in the second class of the Florida Boxing Hall of Fame.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 07 Feb 2023, 10:46
Marciano gets smashed up.RScarf1 wrote: ↑05 Feb 2023, 22:43 Tua would outweigh him by at least 40 pounds. Marciano weighed usually about 190. He was like a cruiserweight, but sometimes he fought guys who were above 200, but no one nearly as heavy as Tua. In Tua's 5 losses, he never was knocked out. I think Marciano would go to the body more, but we're talking about Tua at his peak, so he wouldn't be as flabby.
Marciano and Tua had similar height, reach, and possibly punching power. The major differences are weight, hand speed, and stamina. Tua has the weight advantage, but Marciano has better hand speed and stamina. Marciano threw a lot of punches without getting fatigued and he never lost. A video game simulation on YouTube has Marciano winning by KO in the fifth round, even with the weight disparity. My opinion is I could see it going the distance for 12 rounds, but this is 15 rounds, so I think it could be a KO in rounds 13-15 or close decision with Marciano winning.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 07 Feb 2023, 13:25
Appreciate it RScarfl and please ignore the next person who commented his opinion after you replied to my comment because to us, he never understands the abilities and skills for those fighters of the past. Thanks anyway my man. 
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 07 Feb 2023, 23:19
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just cannot envision Tua beating Marciano. Marciano was 5'10.5" and reach was 68". Tua is 5'10" and reach is 70." Marciano's KO percentage was about 88%. Tua's KO percentage was about 73%. Marciano trained on a 300 pound heavy bag. Thirteen boxers permanently retired from boxing after fighting him. He would throw a lot of punches per round, so it was not just that he possessed punching power.
This is a quote from Marciano's brother Peter: “Rocky fought a number of guys who were 30-40 pounds heavier than he was and those were his easiest fights. It was guys who were a little smaller, a little quicker, who threw punches in combinations that gave Rocky a more difficult time...The bigger they were, the easier it was for Rocky to tire them out and then to knock them out.” Tua and Marciano had similar height and reach. The weight difference was Tua's only advantage and it may not have been an advantage against Marciano.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 00:55
I'm not sure that Rocky Marciano would have ever knocked out the Samoan but Rocky Marciano had such an incredible work rate and his punches only increased as the rounds went on and he was so well conditioned that I think he potentially could have gotten a stoppage win on the basis of swelling and cuts.
Much as I like Tua, and I think he probably has the best resume among heavyweights to never win the heavyweight title, he didn't have the work rate and I tend to think that Rocky might have outlanded him five to one, and if it did go the entire distance Marciano would have got the decision.
I think Rocky's conditioning would have made him weather the storm against Tua. If you're constantly on the offense that means you're going to get hit less so I think that by sheer volume of punches Marciano basically smothers Tua's own offense.
Much as I like Tua, and I think he probably has the best resume among heavyweights to never win the heavyweight title, he didn't have the work rate and I tend to think that Rocky might have outlanded him five to one, and if it did go the entire distance Marciano would have got the decision.
I think Rocky's conditioning would have made him weather the storm against Tua. If you're constantly on the offense that means you're going to get hit less so I think that by sheer volume of punches Marciano basically smothers Tua's own offense.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 08:10
If Marciano was using today's sports science, diet, training facilities and supplements, I think he would be a lot bigger.
If Tua was around in Marciano's time, he would be either lighter or carrying more fat.
Just my opinion. of course. Either way, it would be an absolute barn burner.
If Tua was around in Marciano's time, he would be either lighter or carrying more fat.
Just my opinion. of course. Either way, it would be an absolute barn burner.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 12:18
I think the total opposite, If Marciano was around today with todays training methods and dieting. As well as day before weigh ins. I believe the normally 188 pound Marciano would of been a super middleweightkeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Feb 2023, 08:10 If Marciano was using today's sports science, diet, training facilities and supplements, I think he would be a lot bigger.
If Tua was around in Marciano's time, he would be either lighter or carrying more fat.
Just my opinion. of course. Either way, it would be an absolute barn burner.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 16:39
Thanks and I never envision Tua beating Marciano too. Sometimes whenever they say bigger is better, but some other time it was the opposite that smaller is better, but with quick speed and power would give Marciano an advantage over the heavier Tua.RScarf1 wrote: ↑07 Feb 2023, 23:19Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just cannot envision Tua beating Marciano. Marciano was 5'10.5" and reach was 68". Tua is 5'10" and reach is 70." Marciano's KO percentage was about 88%. Tua's KO percentage was about 73%. Marciano trained on a 300 pound heavy bag. Thirteen boxers permanently retired from boxing after fighting him. He would throw a lot of punches per round, so it was not just that he possessed punching power.
This is a quote from Marciano's brother Peter: “Rocky fought a number of guys who were 30-40 pounds heavier than he was and those were his easiest fights. It was guys who were a little smaller, a little quicker, who threw punches in combinations that gave Rocky a more difficult time...The bigger they were, the easier it was for Rocky to tire them out and then to knock them out.” Tua and Marciano had similar height and reach. The weight difference was Tua's only advantage and it may not have been an advantage against Marciano.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 16:47
Different strokes and all that.tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Feb 2023, 12:18I think the total opposite, If Marciano was around today with todays training methods and dieting. As well as day before weigh ins. I believe the normally 188 pound Marciano would of been a super middleweightkeithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Feb 2023, 08:10 If Marciano was using today's sports science, diet, training facilities and supplements, I think he would be a lot bigger.
If Tua was around in Marciano's time, he would be either lighter or carrying more fat.
Just my opinion. of course. Either way, it would be an absolute barn burner.
Re: David Tua vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds.
Posted: 08 Feb 2023, 21:21
This video shows that Tua was better when he was younger. When he was older (not past his potential prime), he was not as fit and therefore not as effective. Basically, Marciano was more dedicated to training than he was. However, this mythical fight is them both at their peak. Even taking this into consideration, I still think Marciano wins. His diet was good for him. He ate a lot of vegetables and he chewed meat and spit it out, so he was getting the juice of the meat. His body did not have to digest the meat, so he probably had more energy from that, but I believe that he trained harder than any boxer today which is why he was relentless and seemingly did not get tired in the later rounds which were up to 15 rounds back then.