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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Feb 2023, 13:40 I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:43

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Feb 2023, 13:40 I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

Leon was a mediocre one.

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:56 Because I am bored at work I am using boxrec to help me confirm my suspicions.
Hatton only lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao.
Corbett's losses were against Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Sharkey.
Pattersons 8 losses are to Maxim, Johanssen, Liston, Ali, Quarry, Ellis. All pretty bloody good fighters.
I thought I would check out Archie Moore's losses, based purely on his opponents records on paper he only lost to 2-3 guys who could not be considered good-great out of his 23 losses.
MAB's losses are to Jones, Morales, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Khan.
Depending on how you rate Leija and Hernandez, Azumah Nelson could be another one.
Lou Ambers looks to have only lost to guys who had over 50+ wins or were legitimate world champions.
Winky Wright only lost to world champions.

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:09

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:43

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Feb 2023, 13:40 I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

Leon was a mediocre one.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 05:50

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:09

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 01:43

Leon was a mediocre one.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:26 this depends how strict you are in what it takes to qualify as a good fighter.............does it have to be someone who is at least a boarderline hall of famer? does an alphabet champ or decent top 10 fighter count? euro champ but no higher?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 06:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 05:50

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:09

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 07:35

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 06:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 05:50

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Lol what? He's ok because he was fighting only sh1thouses before?

And his Olympic achievements mean nothing. There're plenty accomplished amateurs, who failed in pros. Rademacher, Biggs, Spinks, so many of them.

The alidiots are really funny guys. We're getting more gems every day with them. Now the guy is ok, if he beat some sh1thouses before getting exposed.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:26 this depends how strict you are in what it takes to qualify as a good fighter.............does it have to be someone who is at least a boarderline hall of famer? does an alphabet champ or decent top 10 fighter count? euro champ but no higher?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 08:05

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 07:35

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 06:26

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Lol what? He's ok because he was fighting only sh1thouses before?

And his Olympic achievements mean nothing. There're plenty accomplished amateurs, who failed in pros. Rademacher, Biggs, Spinks, so many of them.

The alidiots are really funny guys. We're getting more gems every day with them. Now the guy is ok, if he beat some sh1thouses before getting exposed.

No, he beat the reigning heavyweight champion of the world, who even at that stage wasn't a 'sh1thouse'. If you want to ignore his greatest achievement (which you have) then that's your business. And just because I disagree with you, it doesn't make me an Ali fan, or an 'alidiot'.

Your comments are so petty and it feels like you can't wait to slam someone and accuse them of being a 'fanboy'. That's just my take on you as a poster.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 11:29 it's a bit circular to count someone as a good fighter because they beat the guy in question , at least for this question. basically you are saying ali losing should give him more credit for winning. it basically removes the possibility that the guy wasnt actually good and that the other fighter was poor that night in losing to them. but very good fighters (esp near the end of their careers) can lose to guys much worse

leon had already drawn with ledoux and was ko'd in 1 by coetzee shortly after, then basically became a journeyman living off the ali win, barely managing a 50-50 record. obviously he wasnt a mug and might fit some definitions of being a good pro, but he's boarderline tbh

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 11:29 it's a bit circular to count someone as a good loss because the guy in question lost to them . it basically removes the possibility that the guy wasnt actually good and that the other fighter was poor that night. but very good fighters (esp near the end of their careers) can lose to guys much worse

considering that, it helps to look at what else they did in their career, and it's not too bright for leon

he'd already drawn with ledoux and was ko'd in 1 by coetzee shortly after, then basically became a journeyman living off the ali win, barely managing a 50-50 record and often getting totally trashed. obviously he wasnt a mug and might fit some definitions of being a good pro, but he's boarderline tbh and i can see the argument that he shouldnt count

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 06:26

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 05:50

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2023, 02:09

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.