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funso banjo baby wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:54 Tubbs achieved the most but also probably wasted his talent as well.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:54 Tubbs achieved the most but also probably wasted his talent as well.

Bey and Williams best performances were arguably the wars against Holmes.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2023, 10:44 Only one I hadn't heard of was Melamed. He apparently retired at 7(6)-0-0. I've always found it curious when people retire with undefeated records.

It was a long time when being fat was a concern. Article made Frank and Fulilangi sound a lot better than they were, but boxing articles tend to do that.

hhaehre wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 16:08

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:54 Tubbs achieved the most but also probably wasted his talent as well.

Bey and Williams best performances were arguably the wars against Holmes.

Williams should have won a belt, he kicked Holmes' ass.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑29 Mar 2023, 11:47 Yes, Melamed was a curious addition. 17 is sooo young.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 19:46

hhaehre wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 16:08

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑30 Mar 2023, 15:54 Tubbs achieved the most but also probably wasted his talent as well.

Bey and Williams best performances were arguably the wars against Holmes.

Williams should have won a belt, he kicked Holmes' ass.

Good mention. That decision was unbelievable. Williams gets it, and people would think a lot more of him. For whatever reason, this fights usually gets swept under the rug. As it is, everyone is going to pick Tubbs out of this group. For a short period of time, Bey was pretty good. I remember Eddie Gregg fighting on USA fights at Madison Square Garden. They really tried to hype him up.

524046 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 20:06 James Broad had a 1st round KO of Marvis Frazier in the amateurs which is unfortunately not on YouTube as far as I can tell(their professional outing which Frazier won is though).

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑29 Mar 2023, 04:25 July 1983 Big Book of Boxing showcased the heavyweight prospects

It's a great bit of nostalgia

Carl Williams - 9-0 (7) 23 yrs old. Considered one of the finest prospects, decent amateur, unsigned to the big players but concerns over his quality of opponents. Carl's manager argues 'what heavyweights fights guys like Barry Funches and Leroy Boone so early in their careers?'. 6ft 4 225lbs

James Broad - 12-0 (7) 25 yrs old. Bags of potential but concerns over his 'rolls of fat'. Top Rank and ESPN threatens to drop him unless he loses the weight. He's 6ft 4 and 249lbs

Tony Tubbs 14-0 (11) 24 yrs old. 'TNT' is a protege of Ali. Gifted amateur. Promoted by Butch Lewis. Excellent handspeed and ring intelligence. Concerns over his 'baby fat'. Working out on the nautilus machine, the 6ft2 heavyweight tipped by Ali to be a future champ promises to get down to 215lbs.

Dorien Melamed 3-0 (2) a baby at 17 years old! 6ft1 206 lbs. Signed to Top Rank, his team say he's still growing and may end up 6ft 3.

Eddie Gregg 14-0-1 (13) 'im 28 years old and it's time to get going' says the New York Jets reject turned boxer. Biggest win to date bloodying Larry Holmes sparring partner Marvin Stinson (tko9) at the Felt Forum. A national TV appearance has been tentatively set for next summer.

Phillip Brown 21-0-2 (15) 6ft 3 27 yrs old weighs 218lbs. Biggest pro win an easy outpointing of fading contender Jimmy Young. No other notable wins. TV exposure planned. His weakness is lack of aggression.

Mitchell Green 12-0-1 (8) two-time golden gloves champion 6ft 5 with a huge reach advantage. Managed by Don and Carl King. Exceptional skills. Only blip on record is a draw over 6 against unheralded Robert Evans. Late scare against veteran Jumbo Cummings but he has the 'contacts' to make it big in the division.

Tony Fulilangi 21-0 (20) weighs 208 lbs, 6ft. Born in Tonga he's yet to face a meaningful opponent. Everyone is getting knocked out in 1 or 2 rounds. The rawest talent of the crop, wild and sloppy power puncher. Needs to be extended and is not ready for the top 10 yet.

Scott Frank 17-0-1 (14) an enigma. Big body puncher. Didn't know what he wanted at the start of his career left the Duvas for Don King and gained recognition with a nationally televised draw against top heavy Renaldo Snipes. Returned to the Duvas and trained by Johnny Torres he will face Lee Canalito on NBC then possibly Trevor Berbick. 6ft 2 and 210lbs.

David Bey 9-0 (8) another Don King fighter. 26 yrs old 6ft 2. Has lost more than 60lbs in the last year. Boxed as an amateur as heavy as 285lbs. Surprising agility and speed. In just his ninth outing battered cagey veteran George Chaplin stopping him in 4. Has done some high level sparring, will lose the rest of the belly fat and will get opportunities under King.




That's it. What do we think looking back?
Who achieved the most?
Who underachieved?

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2023, 15:20 No, I don't think Willams would have done as well against Bowe primarily because Williams didn't have as good of a chin as Tubbs. On the other hand, Williams did well against Holmes and Tubbs probably would not have.
You don't really think Holmes deserved the decision against Williams do you?

Billy Tully wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 14:42

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2023, 15:20 No, I don't think Willams would have done as well against Bowe primarily because Williams didn't have as good of a chin as Tubbs. On the other hand, Williams did well against Holmes and Tubbs probably would not have.
You don't really think Holmes deserved the decision against Williams do you?

I'll have to rewatch it. I vaguely recall last time feeling a Holmes stole it at the end. But then again I thought Spinks narrowly won his rematch with Holmes so my judging has to be brought into question.

Witherspoon certainly beat Holmes.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑24 May 2023, 01:40 Mitchell Green 12-0-1 (8) two-time golden gloves champion 6ft 5 with a huge reach advantage. Managed by Don and Carl King. Exceptional skills. Only blip on record is a draw over 6 against unheralded Robert Evans. Late scare against veteran Jumbo Cummings but he has the 'contacts' to make it big in the division.


Mitch Green I can only remember for his street fight with Mike Tyson.

Looked Green up and he finished with the rather unflattering record of 19-6-1. His first two losses were to Berbick and Tyson though.