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Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 13 Apr 2023, 18:11
by elmersalsa
Mike "The Body Snatcher" McCallum or Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns?

Who was the greatest super welterweight/jr middleweight of all-time and why?

Both were trained at Kronk Gym at one point. McCallum always says that The 4 Kings of Boxing ducked him and didn't want anything to do with him.

Your thoughts.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 13 Apr 2023, 19:37
by goose 5
Hearns for me-his win over Benitez is better than anything Mike did at the weight.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 13 Apr 2023, 22:54
by DrDuke
Mayweather won De La Hoya, Cotto, Canelo and Maidana at that weight. This probably tops McCallum's stuff. Yet Hearns also has a solid claim with winning Benitez and Duran. All of them had their wins over some past-prime opponents.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 14 Apr 2023, 10:18
by Jaywheel
elmersalsa wrote: 13 Apr 2023, 18:11 Both were trained at Kronk Gym at one point. McCallum always says that The 4 Kings of Boxing ducked him and didn't want anything to do with him.
As much as he says it, it remains untrue.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 14 Apr 2023, 13:27
by elmersalsa
Jaywheel wrote: 14 Apr 2023, 10:18
elmersalsa wrote: 13 Apr 2023, 18:11 Both were trained at Kronk Gym at one point. McCallum always says that The 4 Kings of Boxing ducked him and didn't want anything to do with him.
As much as he says it, it remains untrue.
He said it. Go to YouTube

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 14 Apr 2023, 13:41
by Jaywheel
Not disputing he said it, they didn't duck him. Ok, maybe Duran.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 14 Apr 2023, 19:23
by goose 5
The Mayweather-Maidana bouts were not at 154 pounds.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 15 Apr 2023, 01:54
by gilgamesh
I'd have to go with Hearns.

Seems like someone could've surpassed his achievements at the weight, but really most people never stick to this weight class particularly long.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 15 Apr 2023, 13:31
by Ambling Alp II
I would lean towards Hearns as well. McCallum is a solid #2. Big drop off after that.
It would have been interesting if there would have always been a Jr. Middleweight division. Sugar Ray Robinson would have been the best. Emile Griffith would have been up there as well.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 15 Apr 2023, 16:59
by elmersalsa
Jaywheel wrote: 14 Apr 2023, 13:41 Not disputing he said it, they didn't duck him. Ok, maybe Duran.
And why only Duran? When Mike said that Marvelous was in the program, too. Mike also told Manny Steward, "Give me Tommy!" Steward's reply according to Mike was that Steward gave him a pic of Tommy.

And with Leonard, Mike said that he told him right on his face "I beat your brother Roger. Let's fight!" Leonard looked the other way according to Mike.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 16 Apr 2023, 01:59
by Ezzard
I think Mike stops Hearns late if it's 15 rounds.

Re: Thomas Hearns or Mike McCallum: Who was the Best Super Welterweight of All-time?

Posted: 16 Apr 2023, 23:44
by elmersalsa
Ezzard wrote: 16 Apr 2023, 01:59 I think Mike stops Hearns late if it's 15 rounds.
I believe so, too. I think that Mike and the great Sugar Ray Robinson are the only guys that beat the great Thomas Hearns at 154lbs. Any other boxer at 154lbs, gets crushed by the Hitman.