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Well well, it appears that Deontay has decided he is the hardest hitting HW of all time. Is he right?

I found this article by Mr Kini yesterday, and thought it an interesting take. Since he's talking about past boxers, I thought this would be the appropriate section of the Forum. I have given full credit to the author and publisher.




Deontay Wilder drops bold KO power take that will annoy Mike Tyson fans
Story by Abhinav Kini • Yesterday 5:07 PM

Former WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder believes he easily carries more power than Mike Tyson.


When it comes to knockout power today, most boxing fans think of Wilder who has knocked out every single one of his opponents other than Tyson Fury.

Of course, back in the day, Tyson was known for his own explosive knockout power as the former heavyweight champion scored a remarkable 21 first-round knockout wins with 44 of his 50 professional wins coming by knockout as well.

But as far as Wilder is concerned, there is no comparison between the pair’s power — and that isn’t a slight on Tyson either.


“It’s me! That is not even an argument no more, come on. It’s me, It’s me, it’s not arguable, and there is nothing wrong with that,” Wilder told ES News (via BoxingSocial). “Like I told Mike, as history unfolds, they say that it repeats itself, but it is supposed to be better than the past history. There is nothing wrong with that, because I love all the old-school fighters that came forward, like I told Mike, that is how it is supposed to be.


“The new generation is supposed to come up and pass the old generation, because if that doesn’t occur that means that we haven’t accomplished anything, we haven’t evolved into nothing. This world is all about timing and patience and good decision-making.

“If you ain’t evolving, then you are behind, you get left behind, you are becoming part of the problem that we are trying to get rid of. I told Mike, you paved the way for me, like Muhammad Ali had paved the way for you and I will pave the way for those who are coming behind me.”

While Wilder brings up a valid point that today’s boxers will naturally be better than boxers of the past, it’s still very much up for debate as to whether he carries more knockout power than Mike Tyson.

The post Deontay Wilder drops bold KO power take that will annoy Mike Tyson fans appeared first on ClutchPoints.

Maybe the biggest single punch, but I'm not so sure he's the best puncher of all time. A guy can have a lot of punching power but not put combinations together well. Even if Tyson or Louis didn't hit as hard as Wilder, they put punches together so much better than Wilder that they'd land 4-5 punches to his 1 and arguably would stop him before he could stop them. This is evident in matches like Louis vs Baer or Tyson vs Seldon where the one punch at a time guy got annihilated by the combination punchers.

Yeah you could make a case for his right hand being the single most effective punch a boxer has, but there's definitely not a case for him being the all time best puncher because he's 1 note.

He's got a right hand. That's it.

That being said, I don't know that I've seen too many guys with less technical skill go as far as he has. To be as accomplished as he's been, and to have the career he's had is truly incredible considering his amateurish skill level other than the punching power.

The issue is his opposition. He hasn't KOd anyone of note.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑15 Apr 2023, 01:49 Maybe the biggest single punch, but I'm not so sure he's the best puncher of all time. A guy can have a lot of punching power but not put combinations together well. Even if Tyson or Louis didn't hit as hard as Wilder, they put punches together so much better than Wilder that they'd land 4-5 punches to his 1 and arguably would stop him before he could stop them. This is evident in matches like Louis vs Baer or Tyson vs Seldon where the one punch at a time guy got annihilated by the combination punchers.

Seldon took a dive.

Billy Tully wrote: ↑15 Apr 2023, 04:03 The issue is his opposition. He hasn't KOd anyone of note.

That is the thing. Would he be able to stop someone that we know was good? He never actually did it. He does seem like he had good one punch power, but would a guy with a great chin just walk through it? Tyson knocked out guys who were much better. And there were guys who hit harder than Tyson.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Apr 2023, 14:29

Billy Tully wrote: ↑15 Apr 2023, 04:03 The issue is his opposition. He hasn't KOd anyone of note.

That is the thing. Would he be able to stop someone that we know was good? He never actually did it. He does seem like he had good one punch power, but would a guy with a great chin just walk through it? Tyson knocked out guys who were much better. And there were guys who hit harder than Tyson.

Tyson is a very good example. Cooney, a puncher, and Holmes, who had some pop, couldn't budge Spinks but Tyson knocked him cold. Bonecrusher and Spoon couldn't hurt Tubbs, nor could Bowe years later, but Tyson knocks him cold. The likes of Berbick and Holmes, who barely touched the canvas in their lengthy careers, against a high level of opposition and multitude of punchers, were both obliterated by Tyson's punch power. On and on.

Deontay's victims simply don't have any form line and the commonly cited best name, Luis Ortiz, was 40!

Foreman is the best HW puncher.

Tyson is probably the second one. The likes of Tucker and Bonecrusher survived against Tyson, because they were avoiding the action.

For just a single shot Wilder is in the frame.

For one punch, he is probably up there. Of course, usually one punch is not enough against someone good. Hard to say because of his weak competition. Of course, usually one punch is not enough against someone good. Would certainly put Shavers and Foreman ahead of him for one punch. Several others (such as Tyson, and Louis) are up there.

No doubt he has a very good right hand, but his opposition was far too dreadful to put him near any all time lists for anything. He never stopped anyone he wasn't supposed to, and when he fought the best name on his thin resume he lost. He put away guys not known for their chins later than others did; the most powerful puncher of all time won't take 9 rounds to stop Eric Molina.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2023, 01:23 Foreman is the best HW puncher.

Tyson is probably the second one. The likes of Tucker and Bonecrusher survived against Tyson, because they were avoiding the action.

Shavers is the best HW puncher. Followed by Foreman.

Tyson is down the list. Top 10 probably.

Everybody is saying how horrible Wilder's opposition is without remembering that virtually every guy Shavers knocked out was a bum. Same with Joe Louis to an extent. That's why I generally consider George Foreman to be a far superior puncher because he had a lot of quality knockouts: Frazier (2x), Norton, Lyle, Moorer, etc.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 Apr 2023, 22:32 Everybody is saying how horrible Wilder's opposition is without remembering that virtually every guy Shavers knocked out was a bum. Same with Joe Louis to an extent. That's why I generally consider George Foreman to be a far superior puncher because he had a lot of quality knockouts: Frazier (2x), Norton, Lyle, Moorer, etc.

Also I guarantee you that Joe Frazier would kick Deontay Wilder's ass 10 times out of 10.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 01:38

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 Apr 2023, 22:32 Everybody is saying how horrible Wilder's opposition is without remembering that virtually every guy Shavers knocked out was a bum. Same with Joe Louis to an extent. That's why I generally consider George Foreman to be a far superior puncher because he had a lot of quality knockouts: Frazier (2x), Norton, Lyle, Moorer, etc.

Also I guarantee you that Joe Frazier would kick Deontay Wilder's ass 10 times out of 10.

Possible.

Then again it's hard for me to invision a 5'11" 200 pound man to do much with someone 6'7" and ranging anywhere from 212-232 who has a wildly unorthodox style likened to Max Baer. The Fury fights demonstrated that Wilder had heart as well as a pretty good beard. I'm not sure that Frazier could win by a knockout. But, well conditioned as Frazier was I could see him out working Wilder if he didn't get busted up early.

Joe Frazier would obviously destroy Wilder. A man with a dodgy chin, two left feet, one punch and who fatigues when drawn into a rumble is going to be a sitting duck against a rhythmic, huge punching, finely conditioned Great like Joe.

Wilder would not be able to defend himself.

I don't see how anyone could be so certain of little Joe winning 10 of 10 from Wilder. P4P it's no contest, but the length difference and Wilder's lethal right would give me pause.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Apr 2023, 01:52 Yeah you could make a case for his right hand being the single most effective punch a boxer has, but there's definitely not a case for him being the all time best puncher because he's 1 note.

He's got a right hand. That's it.

That being said, I don't know that I've seen too many guys with less technical skill go as far as he has. To be as accomplished as he's been, and to have the career he's had is truly incredible considering his amateurish skill level other than the punching power.

Sums it up pretty well imo.

Possibly the greatest single shot puncher we’ve ever seen.

But there’s serious lack of ability in getting it there.
How he wasn’t found out at a lower level is a treatment to the lack of real quality in the division the last ten years.

even within a weak division he picked largely on uninspiring opponents. bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are among the 2 best guys he's beaten in almost 50 fights. his win list, the guys he actually finished with his power, is so so hollow

luis ortiz was good........and also had him danger of being stopped . that's easily his biggest career victory.

the power is serious, but gawd dang there a serious lack of quality there

that said, joe has walked into shots and been hurt early against guys i wouldnt rate any more dangerous than wilder, i could certainly see him having some calamity eventually if they had a series of fights. in this cross era hypotheticals people love to pick easy blastouts and shutouts, but reality is even lots of great fighters had issues with unspectacular opponents

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 Apr 2023, 22:32 Everybody is saying how horrible Wilder's opposition is without remembering that virtually every guy Shavers knocked out was a bum. Same with Joe Louis to an extent. That's why I generally consider George Foreman to be a far superior puncher because he had a lot of quality knockouts: Frazier (2x), Norton, Lyle, Moorer, etc.

Virtually everyone was a bum?
Shavers- Ellis, Williams, Smith, Norton, Bugner etc. were not bums.
Joe Louis - Seriously? Schmeling, Carnera, Walcott, Buddy, Baer, Max Baer, Pastor, Godoy etc. were not bums.

Shavers and Louis' opposition was light years better than Wilder.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑21 Apr 2023, 09:06

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑19 Apr 2023, 22:32 Everybody is saying how horrible Wilder's opposition is without remembering that virtually every guy Shavers knocked out was a bum. Same with Joe Louis to an extent. That's why I generally consider George Foreman to be a far superior puncher because he had a lot of quality knockouts: Frazier (2x), Norton, Lyle, Moorer, etc.

Virtually everyone was a bum?
Shavers- Ellis, Williams, Smith, Norton, Bugner etc. were not bums.
Joe Louis - Seriously? Schmeling, Carnera, Walcott, Buddy, Baer, Max Baer, Pastor, Godoy etc. were not bums.

Shavers and Louis' opposition was light years better than Wilder.

That's right the vast majority of their knockouts came against a bunch of bums, and the few good men they beat were either old or they were chinny to begin with.

In the case of Jimmy Young against Shavers he definitely wasn't old, but he was significantly less experienced than Shavers.

Ok, but even then, Young wasn't a bum. And the several other guys that I mentioned were not bums. Of course, many were, which is the case with anyone. Most guys began their career against a lot of bums and build up a high Ko%. Of course from there, some guys face a lot of competition in which inevitably their Ko% goes down.

The bottom line is that the victims list of Shaver's and Louis is much more impressive than Wilder's. Not even remotely close.

No,stop it, Szpilka, Audley ,, the basketball players etc. etc. ,

He but Charlie Zelenoff a flush lunch and couldn't OK him,

He has never,ever ,ever (go, look it up) knocked out a half decent jkurneyman who has a half decent chin

Certainly doesn't compare with Shavers or Louis.