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The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 17:19
by elmersalsa
This is my list of the top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per pound of all-time. European boxing had some fantastic fighters through the years.
Here is my list:
1. Bob Fitzsimmons (England)
2. Jimmy Wilde (Wales)
3. Jimmy McLarnin (Ireland)
4. Jack "Kid" Berg (England)
5. Lennox Lewis (England)
6. Ted "Kid" Lewis (England)
7. Benny Lynch (Scotland)
8. Nino Benvenutti (Italy)
9. Duilio Loi (Italy)
10. Owen Moran (England)
11. Joe Calzaghe (Wales)
12. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (Ukraine)
13. Georges Carpentier (France)
14. Marcel Cerdan (France)
15. Ken Buchanan (Scotland)
16. Tyson Fury (England)
17. Kostya Tszyu (Russia)
18. Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine)
19. Vitaly Klitschko (Ukraine)
20. Freddie Welsh (Wales)
21. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll (Wales)
22. Marcel Thil (France)
23. Naseem Hamed (England)
24. Max Schmeling (Germany)
25. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (Ireland)
This is based in quality of opposition, historical impact, longevity, division dominance, level of competition, and contribution and influence to the sport of boxing.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 19:21
by goose 5
Real good list you compiled. I'd rank Lennox and Cerdan higher, however. top 5.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 21 Apr 2023, 08:19
by DrDuke
elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 17:19
12. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (Ukraine)
Wha? He's Kazakhstani. So, he can't be in the list.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 21 Apr 2023, 08:37
by Ambling Alp II
elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 17:19
This is my list of the top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per pound of all-time. European boxing had some fantastic fighters through the years.
Here is my list:
1. Bob Fitzsimmons (England)
2. Jimmy Wilde (Wales)
3. Jimmy McLarnin (Ireland)
4. Jack "Kid" Berg (England)
5. Lennox Lewis (England)
6. Ted "Kid" Lewis (England)
7. Benny Lynch (Scotland)
8. Nino Benvenutti (Italy)
9. Duilio Loi (Italy)
10. Owen Moran (England)
11. Joe Calzaghe (Wales)
12. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (Ukraine)
13. Georges Carpentier (France)
14. Marcel Cerdan (France)
15. Ken Buchanan (Scotland)
16. Tyson Fury (England)
17. Kostya Tszyu (Russia)
18. Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine)
19. Vitaly Klitschko (Ukraine)
20. Freddie Welsh (Wales)
21. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll (Wales)
22. Marcel Thil (France)
23. Naseem Hamed (England)
24. Max Schmeling (Germany)
25. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (Ireland)
This is based in quality of opposition, historical impact, longevity, division dominance, level of competition, and contribution and influence to the sport of boxing.
The Top 15 is pretty good, though the guy at #2 is too high. Obviously, a lot of close calls. Would move up the guys at #20 #21, and #24 up a little, move down the guys #16 and 18 a bit, and take out the guy at #19 entirely. Would add Sammy Mandell. Overall, a decent list.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 21 Apr 2023, 22:10
by elmersalsa
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑21 Apr 2023, 08:37
elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 17:19
This is my list of the top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per pound of all-time. European boxing had some fantastic fighters through the years.
Here is my list:
1. Bob Fitzsimmons (England)
2. Jimmy Wilde (Wales)
3. Jimmy McLarnin (Ireland)
4. Jack "Kid" Berg (England)
5. Lennox Lewis (England)
6. Ted "Kid" Lewis (England)
7. Benny Lynch (Scotland)
8. Nino Benvenutti (Italy)
9. Duilio Loi (Italy)
10. Owen Moran (England)
11. Joe Calzaghe (Wales)
12. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (Ukraine)
13. Georges Carpentier (France)
14. Marcel Cerdan (France)
15. Ken Buchanan (Scotland)
16. Tyson Fury (England)
17. Kostya Tszyu (Russia)
18. Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine)
19. Vitaly Klitschko (Ukraine)
20. Freddie Welsh (Wales)
21. "Peerless" Jem Driscoll (Wales)
22. Marcel Thil (France)
23. Naseem Hamed (England)
24. Max Schmeling (Germany)
25. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey (Ireland)
This is based in quality of opposition, historical impact, longevity, division dominance, level of competition, and contribution and influence to the sport of boxing.
The Top 15 is pretty good, though the guy at #2 is too high. Obviously, a lot of close calls. Would move up the guys at #20 #21, and #24 up a little, move down the guys #16 and 18 a bit, and take out the guy at #19 entirely. Would add Sammy Mandell. Overall, a decent list.
Thanks for your feedback, Alp
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 21 Apr 2023, 22:10
by elmersalsa
goose 5 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 19:21
Real good list you compiled. I'd rank Lennox and Cerdan higher, however. top 5.
Thanks for the feedback
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 05 May 2023, 22:21
by elmersalsa
Wales had a great boxing tradition for a small country. My favorite Welsh fighter is Howard Winstone.
The last great fighter from Wales was Joe Calzaghe.
Other great Welsh boxers were Freddie Welsh, Peerless Jem Driscoll, and the greatest of them all: the great Jimmy Wilde!
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 05 May 2023, 22:23
by elmersalsa
Of the top 25, England has 7. The most of the European countries.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 06 May 2023, 03:24
by gilgamesh
Fitzsy at #1 seems about right. Lennox should be no worse than #2 and arguably #1. Joe Calzaghe has to rank highly.
Honestly a lot of your very, very best European boxers have come from recent times. With Americans you have to delve into the way back for the very best. With Europeans. It was pretty damn recent in a lot of cases.
The ranking and placement can always be debated, but overall I think you have a good list there Elmer. Everyone that belongs in the conversation is there pretty much.
If someone is forgotten I'm sure someone will mention it. Maybe even me when I'm not drunk
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 06 May 2023, 17:17
by Ambling Alp II
This list coming from elmer surprised me. I mentioned earlier what I would chance, but overall it's pretty good. Sammy Mandell was the biggest omission I thought of. 9 of the top 10 were guys from the 1970s or before.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 06 May 2023, 17:58
by Tony1244
Excellent list. I'd have 16, 14, 12, and 11 higher. But I'm far more familiar with those guys.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 06 May 2023, 18:59
by Baby Face Finster
Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 May 2023, 17:58
Excellent list. I'd have 16, 14, 12, and 11 higher. But I'm far more familiar with those guys.
Cerdan at 14 is a joke.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 07 May 2023, 07:10
by pound per pound
Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑06 May 2023, 18:59
Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 May 2023, 17:58
Excellent list. I'd have 16, 14, 12, and 11 higher. But I'm far more familiar with those guys.
Cerdan at 14 is a joke.
It is.
I don't want to belittle the mighty atom too much ( Wilde ) but his list of famous fighter's beaten is well, a bit short so to speak. Can someone educate me on the names he has beaten besides merely listing them?
The list is a UK version of the top ten. Perhaps that explains the bias against the Frenchman Cerdan?
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 07 May 2023, 15:15
by giacomino
Um, ELMO, you have No, 12 as GGG and listed him as being from Ukraine, He’s not European. He is from Kazakhstan, which is part of North Central Asia.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 08 May 2023, 14:14
by Bodyshot3
A good Top 25 - but Honeyghan needs to be in there, so does Randy Turpin - and you could make a strong case for Usyk and Lomchenko even now as active fighters.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 09 May 2023, 11:54
by chrisjs1985
Freddie Welsh at #20 seems way off.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 10 May 2023, 13:17
by jaouad
giacomino wrote: ↑07 May 2023, 15:15
Um, ELMO, you have No, 12 as GGG and listed him as being from Ukraine, He’s not European. He is from Kazakhstan, which is part of North Central Asia.
Technically Kazachstan is both part of Europe and Asia.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 10 May 2023, 22:49
by Benny The Kid
It seems like your missing a great deal of fighters here.
Ireland dominated the early pioneer era. There's no way that Jack NP Dempsey was the best of them. I have him ranked towards the bottom of the early irish boxers of his time.
Ireland is very poorly represented in this list.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 11 May 2023, 16:42
by mattdonnellon
Ah, good list, wouldn't get too bothered about placement. I'd have Usyk and Lomo in, Jack McAuliffe too but all just opinion.
Re: The Top 25 Greatest European Boxers Pound per Pound of All-time
Posted: 12 May 2023, 11:44
by elmersalsa
Benny The Kid wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 22:49
It seems like your missing a great deal of fighters here.
Ireland dominated the early pioneer era. There's no way that Jack NP Dempsey was the best of them. I have him ranked towards the bottom of the early irish boxers of his time.
Ireland is very poorly represented in this list.
Well, we got the great Jimmy McLarnin on the list. He is Irish.