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Joe Joyce is activating the rematch clause.
Probably be more tactical from Joyce this time around.

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:11 Joe Joyce is activating the rematch clause.
Probably be more tactical from Joyce this time around.

Not sure Joyce employed any tactics first time around. If he did they weren't evident. Let alone successful. Hard to see him doing any worse.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:11 Joe Joyce is activating the rematch clause.
Probably be more tactical from Joyce this time around.

Not sure Joyce employed any tactics first time around. If he did they weren't evident. Let alone successful. Hard to see him doing any worse.

Zhang carries a punch and a plod, his jab is ok but he's not that mobile.
Zhang seems to have a strong spirit.
Joyce isn't a spring chicken.
Could come down to who wants it more and a few tear up rounds to decide this one.

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:08

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:11 Joe Joyce is activating the rematch clause.
Probably be more tactical from Joyce this time around.

Not sure Joyce employed any tactics first time around. If he did they weren't evident. Let alone successful. Hard to see him doing any worse.

Zhang carries a punch and a plod, his jab is ok but he's not that mobile.
Zhang seems to have a strong spirit.
Joyce isn't a spring chicken.
Could come down to who wants it more and a few tear up rounds to decide this one.

The first fight looked like a battle of who wants it more but Joyce had no tactical answer to Zhang's left hand hitting him flush on the head round after round.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:27

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:08

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:55

Not sure Joyce employed any tactics first time around. If he did they weren't evident. Let alone successful. Hard to see him doing any worse.

Zhang carries a punch and a plod, his jab is ok but he's not that mobile.
Zhang seems to have a strong spirit.
Joyce isn't a spring chicken.
Could come down to who wants it more and a few tear up rounds to decide this one.

The first fight looked like a battle of who wants it more but Joyce had no tactical answer to Zhang's left hand hitting him flush on the head round after round.

Joyce didn't look that upset at losing.

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:52

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:27

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:08
Zhang carries a punch and a plod, his jab is ok but he's not that mobile.
Zhang seems to have a strong spirit.
Joyce isn't a spring chicken.
Could come down to who wants it more and a few tear up rounds to decide this one.

The first fight looked like a battle of who wants it more but Joyce had no tactical answer to Zhang's left hand hitting him flush on the head round after round.

Joyce didn't look that upset at losing.

He was probably just relieved Zhang had stopped hitting him in the head.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 00:52

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:52

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:27
The first fight looked like a battle of who wants it more but Joyce had no tactical answer to Zhang's left hand hitting him flush on the head round after round.

Joyce didn't look that upset at losing.

He was probably just relieved Zhang had stopped hitting him in the head.

They were real sluggish punches.

Evander wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 01:36

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 00:52

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:52
Joyce didn't look that upset at losing.

He was probably just relieved Zhang had stopped hitting him in the head.

They were real sluggish punches.

Joyce had a head like a robber's dog by the end.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 20:21

Evander wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 01:36

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 00:52

He was probably just relieved Zhang had stopped hitting him in the head.

They were real sluggish punches.

Joyce had a head like a robber's dog by the end.

They're almost both in their 40's.

Joyce is 37
Zhang is 40 ... I think

Evander wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 23:39

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 20:21

Evander wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 01:36
They were real sluggish punches.

Joyce had a head like a robber's dog by the end.

They're almost both in their 40's.

Joyce is 37
Zhang is 40 ... I think :maybe:

They only had 3 eyes between them at the final bell.

I think Joyce will get done again.

His problem is Zhang took his jab away extremely easily, and countered him with a short stabbing straight left over and over.

For most fights, you'd want to see them create angles for the jab by pivoting slightly, but Joyce has the turning circle of a supertanker, and by the time he's moved into position, Zhang will already be on the flight home.

Zhang v Joyce was strangely like a mirror image of Joyce v Dubois.

Both of the losers got stopped by eye damage after shipping obvious left hands all night.

It's difficult to understand how this could have happened.

However it is interesting to note that Ismael Salas could not join Joyce for the Dubois fight due to the Convid restrictions and that Steve Broughton stepped in for their December 2020 epic clash.

Since Joyce's game plan against the southpaw Zhang could not have been much worse it would seem sensible to ditch Salas and get his previous trainer Broughton back in asap.

Jimmy Tibbs too if he feels the need.

Never change a winning team. It's highly risky and often ends badly.

Joyce fought as if he'd never heard of Southpaws before, that, or he has suddenly become old.

He needs to be 100% better next time.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 May 2023, 04:58 I think Joyce will get done again.

His problem is Zhang took his jab away extremely easily, and countered him with a short stabbing straight left over and over.

For most fights, you'd want to see them create angles for the jab by pivoting slightly, but Joyce has the turning circle of a supertanker, and by the time he's moved into position, Zhang will already be on the flight home.

Blimmin heck James
We have been calling him Slow Joe for years on here. Its been amazing he has got this far really. I still think the rematch will be close, without the eye swelling he was taking advantage of Zhang's abysmal cardio.

Zhang gotta be favored. He not only outboxed and injured Joyce, but he also dazed him, what nobody had been able to do before. Joyce won't improve significantly in a single fight.

There's talk that the rematch could happen in China.

I'm not sure how that would work but it could be huge for boxing.

Zhang at 40 has done something that is unprecedented.

Quite remarkable really to come from such a background and get right up to the summit since losing to Anthony Joshua in the quarter finals of the 2012 London Olympics.

Evander wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 01:36

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 00:52

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 23:52
Joyce didn't look that upset at losing.

He was probably just relieved Zhang had stopped hitting him in the head.

They were real sluggish punches.

Zhang threw sluggish punches, true. That's my conclusion after watching the fight a second time. I'm not as impressed as before.

But still, Zhang almost never missed with his lead left-cross. Could be that he's here to stay.

zhang's punches were sharp and crisp, disagree. the feet were sluggish but hands were good

Zhang has tremendous power and joyce gets hit by everything. That usually doesnt go well

What can Joyce do differently the next time vs. Zhang who hit him at will. He is not a mover nor does he have a good jab. He might do marginal better the next time around but IMO he'll lose.

He is brings his slow hands and no defense into the match and he has no clue on how to fight a South Paw.

if joyce can last a few more rounds......then it could get interesting given zhang's history of stamina problems.

if i were joyce, i would put the gloves up and shell up, throwing little but jabs over the first half. a bit like the dub fight where he actually showed some respect for the opponent's power. maybe he fell too in love with his chin

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 15:31 if joyce can last a few more rounds......then it could get interesting given zhang's history of stamina problems.

if i were joyce, i would put the gloves up and shell up, throwing little but jabs over the first half. a bit like the dub fight where he actually showed some respect for the opponent's power. maybe he fell too in love with his chin

We all fell in love with his chin Mags
But yeah, shell up, whip a few to the body - Zhang didn't like those, but they were too infrequent. Try and tire the old fella, take advantage of his tiny gas tank and come on strong from R5

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 22:11 Joe Joyce is activating the rematch clause.
Probably be more tactical from Joyce this time around.

Hard to see him doing any worse.

This. He could not have turned in a more disappointing performance. Surely he can do better than that?

How far can Zhang go? He wants to get a wiggle on.

23rd September 2023 the rematch is on in London England.