I remembered Ellis being smaller when they fought. But Ellis weight 160lb the year before this and would likely have been around 174 here. Doesn't even look that judging by his build
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2023, 12:32
by Caractacus
Jimmy Ellis also severly bruised Muhammad Ali's ribs during a sparring session just before the second fight with Liston.
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 28 Jul 2023, 13:18
by Caractacus
For whatever reason, I just came across this concerning Ali's exhibitions.
scroll about 60 percent down on this page, D
It was hiding in plane sight, dUH !
Does anyone have any proof / confirmation that the following exhibitions did indeed occur:
10/28/1965 - Freeport, Bahamas
05/xx/1969 - Buster Mathis in Grand Rapids, Michigan
02/26/1971 - Ron Lyle
08/xx/1971 - Barbados
08/xx/1971 - Jamaica
09/xx/1971 - Uruguay
09/29/1971 - Pointe a Pitre, Guadaloupe
10/11/1971 - Paris
01/xx/1972 - UAE (Abu Dhabi, Qatar, and Kuwait)
03/xx/1973 - George Chuvalo in Pennsylvania
10/14/1973 - Surabaya, Indonesia
07/28/1977 - Newcastle, England
08/12/1977 - London, England
xx/xx/1980 - Mike Rossman in Chicago, Illinois
10/xx/1982 - Pakistan
xx/xx/1984 - Kevin Porter in Kalamazoo, Michigan
I have seen mentions of a number of them, as well as some video of a few, but no mentions in any day-after papers talking about the exhibition, where it took place, date, etc. etc.
I will be putting out a much more detailed listing than the one referenced above in the next week or so after I finish checking a few more possibilities (as well as checking any information supplied from the above request).
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 31 Jul 2023, 17:52
by Caractacus
Muhammad Ali doing an exhibition for CBS-TV with Ron Lyle , February 1971 at 11:20 of this clip.
-1977-
at 1;25 of this clip, clips of an exhibition in South Shields, England
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 31 Jul 2023, 18:53
by Bob
1. I'm not convinced the Lyle video was for an exhibition...seemed more like a planned sparring session (with Ali training for the Frazier fight);
2. I believe that is from the July 16th exhibition in Newcastle...I think the July 28th date is a typo someone made previously but just trying to make sure.
Thank you for putting these on here...very helpful.
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 01 Aug 2023, 03:34
by evrenb
Correct. The Lyle footage is sparring...Caractacus do you even watch the endless footage you post???
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 01 Aug 2023, 07:27
by chinarich
Bob wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 15:10
Does anyone have any proof / confirmation that the following exhibitions did indeed occur:
10/28/1965 - Freeport, Bahamas
05/xx/1969 - Buster Mathis in Grand Rapids, Michigan
02/26/1971 - Ron Lyle
08/xx/1971 - Barbados
08/xx/1971 - Jamaica
09/xx/1971 - Uruguay
09/29/1971 - Pointe a Pitre, Guadaloupe
10/11/1971 - Paris
01/xx/1972 - UAE (Abu Dhabi, Qatar, and Kuwait)
03/xx/1973 - George Chuvalo in Pennsylvania
10/14/1973 - Surabaya, Indonesia
07/28/1977 - Newcastle, England
08/12/1977 - London, England
xx/xx/1980 - Mike Rossman in Chicago, Illinois
10/xx/1982 - Pakistan xx/xx/1984 - Kevin Porter in Kalamazoo, Michigan
I have seen mentions of a number of them, as well as some video of a few, but no mentions in any day-after papers talking about the exhibition, where it took place, date, etc. etc.
I will be putting out a much more detailed listing than the one referenced above in the next week or so after I finish checking a few more possibilities (as well as checking any information supplied from the above request).
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 01 Aug 2023, 13:54
by Caractacus
Bob wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 18:53
1. I'm not convinced the Lyle video was for an exhibition...seemed more like a planned sparring session (with Ali training for the Frazier fight);
Thank you for putting these on here...very helpful.
according to an article in EMPIRE newspaper, published just a day before THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY (March 1971)
the Ali vrs Lyle sparring session was on Saturday January 30th at the Fifth Street Gym, Miami Beach Florida
CBS 60 Minutes brought Lyle to the Gym to spar 2 ,three minute rounds with Ali for the camera,
then later that night. they flew to the Concord Hotel in the Catskills New York to spar with Joe Frazier on Sunday, but Frazier's management did not want Frazier to spar with an amateur, because Frazier never took it easy, so Lyle sparred with Ken Norton instead.
The source for this information is the book, OFF THE ROPES ,The Ron Lyle Story pp 102-103.
Bob wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023, 15:10
Does anyone have any proof / confirmation that the following exhibitions did indeed occur:
10/28/1965 - Freeport, Bahamas
05/xx/1969 - Buster Mathis in Grand Rapids, Michigan
02/26/1971 - Ron Lyle
08/xx/1971 - Barbados
08/xx/1971 - Jamaica
09/xx/1971 - Uruguay
09/29/1971 - Pointe a Pitre, Guadaloupe
10/11/1971 - Paris
01/xx/1972 - UAE (Abu Dhabi, Qatar, and Kuwait)
03/xx/1973 - George Chuvalo in Pennsylvania
10/14/1973 - Surabaya, Indonesia
07/28/1977 - Newcastle, England
08/12/1977 - London, England
xx/xx/1980 - Mike Rossman in Chicago, Illinois
10/xx/1982 - Pakistan xx/xx/1984 - Kevin Porter in Kalamazoo, Michigan
I have seen mentions of a number of them, as well as some video of a few, but no mentions in any day-after papers talking about the exhibition, where it took place, date, etc. etc.
I will be putting out a much more detailed listing than the one referenced above in the next week or so after I finish checking a few more possibilities (as well as checking any information supplied from the above request).
I think his 1977 'Newcastle ' exhibition was actually Washington , Wearside and was against Richard Dunn ...
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 01 Aug 2023, 15:32
by Caractacus
evrenb wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 03:34
Correct. The Lyle footage is sparring...Caractacus do you even watch the endless footage you post???
On January 30th 1971, Ron Lyle was brought down to Miami Beach by CBS-TV specifically to get in the ring with Muhammad Ali
and go two-three minute rounds with "The Greatest" for the TV cameras for their 60 minutes tv show
Two rounds and then there were off to the Catskills for Joe Frazier.
How would you NOT call that an 'Exhibition" ?
the segment aired February 1971 on CBS-TV
Re: The Muhammad Ali Exhibitions Thread
Posted: 01 Aug 2023, 16:20
by Caractacus
over on Ebay some sellers are selling vintage Ali exhibition posters.
here are a few.
October 1971-Royal Albert Hall, London (England) https://ebay.com/itm/304779200708
evrenb wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023, 03:34
Correct. The Lyle footage is sparring...Caractacus do you even watch the endless footage you post???
On January 30th 1971, Ron Lyle was brought down to Miami Beach by CBS-TV specifically to get in the ring with Muhammad Ali
and go two-three minute rounds with "The Greatest" for the TV cameras for their 60 minutes tv show
Two rounds and then there were off to the Catskills for Joe Frazier.
How would you NOT call that an 'Exhibition" ?
the segment aired February 1971 on CBS-TV
If you listen to the footage you will hear...'lyle came to spar with Ali at his training csmp'