It's the Cult of Donny. He has hoodwinked these people into really believing he gives two shits about them.tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 12:08And they still defend Donny. WTF is wrong with these peopleNightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 10:54Counter-puncher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 10:03 Rudy Giuliani Sued by Former Lawyers for $1.4 Million in Unpaid Legal Fees After Georgia Indictment
The lawsuit, which was filed on Monday in Manhattan state court, claimed that Giuliani owes the law firm Davidoff Hutcher & Citron approximately $1.4 million under a retainer agreement.
Giuliani allegedly agreed to pay more than $1.5 million to the firm but has only paid $214,000 to date.
The complaint also stated that Giuliani made a token payment of $10,000 earlier this month, leaving a remaining balance of $1,360,196 still owed to the firm.
Robert Costello, a partner at the Davidoff firm and a longtime friend and lawyer to Giuliani, is also a plaintiff in the lawsuit, according to Business Insider.
Costello represented Giuliani from 2019 until this past summer and advised Giuliani on a range of legal matters – including federal investigations into the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, attempts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia, and numerous civil lawsuits.
Meanwhile, Giuliani's financial woes have reportedly mounted in recent months.
The former NYC mayor recently claimed in court that he is tight on cash, and former President Donald Trump allegedly agreed to help Giuliani fundraise money.
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everyone who get involved with the Orange Turd ends up on skid row.
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I don't think they're mentally healthy enough to care what he thinks about them. In one case a very fat guy was yelling at one of Trump's rallies. Trump mistakenly believed the fat guy was heckling him. So, of course, Trump made fun of his weight. The guy couldn't care less! They either want him, or want to be him, or a strange combination of both.Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 20:01It's the Cult of Donny. He has hoodwinked these people into really believing he gives two shits about them.tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 12:08And they still defend Donny. WTF is wrong with these peopleNightmare Roy wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 10:54
everyone who get involved with the Orange Turd ends up on skid row.
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somewhat amusingly, Rupert Murdoch can be added to the long list of facilitators who initially backed Trump, to their own deep and profound regret ever after. Apparently he explodes in fits of rage about Trump, constantly speculating about his imminent death ('look at him! look at what he eats! how is he still alive?') and fervently hoping Trump dies and goes away.
it reminds me, of course that the likes of Hindenburg and Von Papin, and the steel barons and so on, all thought that they could control Hitler, and that he would be a cat's paw they could manipulate........
I doubt, of course, that Murdoch would even internally admit to himself that he is partially responsible for that which nor enrages him
it reminds me, of course that the likes of Hindenburg and Von Papin, and the steel barons and so on, all thought that they could control Hitler, and that he would be a cat's paw they could manipulate........
I doubt, of course, that Murdoch would even internally admit to himself that he is partially responsible for that which nor enrages him
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Oh that did make me laugh.Counter-puncher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 14:42Fantastic isn’t it? All those people like Rudy who’ve ended up with the stump of Trump’s shaft broken off inside their ass. And he won’t even give them a reach-around.hhaehre wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 13:45The alleged billionaire will "help fundraise".Counter-puncher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 10:03 The former NYC mayor recently claimed in court that he is tight on cash, and former President Donald Trump allegedly agreed to help Giuliani fundraise money.
I can’t help thinking some of them will turn by the time the Georgia and Jack Smith things get to trial- I should say many more of them, plenty have already when it’s their own ass on the line and according to the pundits I’ve been reading there are those who have cooperated that are as yet unknown. I mean Rudy is indefensible and I’m not sure turning would save him anyway but there will be those less culpable than him that can still stop short of the cliff top. Rudy is the original lemming he’s taking a header off the cliff like he’s diving to make home plate.
Once the awful reality dawns on many of rhe plaintiffs that Trump has as much use for them as a scab that's fallen off, there will be more singing than a Welsh male voice choir competition.
Trump is too reckless and stupid to realise he's digging his own grave.
The trouble is, Trump may be able to keep appealing long enough to run for president before being convicted. If he gets in, then he's obviously going to try and squash it, probably successfully.
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The Donald calculates Pi:
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So far, the several criminal prosecutions have not, significantly dented Trump’s approval ratings. While they were always going to galvanise his base – for whom every new indictment reinforces their belief that Trump is the victim of an establishment mega-conspiracy and they have not fled from Trump in droves.
In a bitterly divided America, cynical and weary voters have become so used to Trump’s outrageous behaviour that it has lost its capacity to shock. It has become the new normal. Even for independents who don’t like him, Trump has so stretched the boundaries of what counts as impermissible political conduct that they barely exist anymore.
In a bitterly divided America, cynical and weary voters have become so used to Trump’s outrageous behaviour that it has lost its capacity to shock. It has become the new normal. Even for independents who don’t like him, Trump has so stretched the boundaries of what counts as impermissible political conduct that they barely exist anymore.
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Trump keeps ramping up the temperature and the MSM keep understating the fact that he is literally dogwhistling violence with nearly every statement:
Donald Trump has demanded that the parent company of MSNBC and NBC be investigated for “treason” over what he described as “one-side and vicious coverage”.
In a Truth Social rant on Sunday, the former president threatened to launch a probe into Comcast if he wins the 2024 race.
“They are a true threat to Democracy and are, in fact, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! The Fake News Media should pay a big price for what they have done to our once great Country!” he wrote.
MSNBC = ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE
GENERAL MILLEY = TRAITOR SHOULD BE PUNISHED BY DEATH
Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH".
he is literally calling for anyone who ever says anything bad about him to be treated as traitors. and we know what the penalty for that is, don't we? He and Marge have told us all, on numerous occasions.
these are not idle threats.
Either he wins and carries them out himself via the justice system (which he #weaponised# more against Michael Cohen and others than the Dems ever did against him), or he loses and his fucken nutbar followers literally kill people he has said bad stuff about
it is so, so fvcked up, you guys are sleepwalking right into it. is this fvcker ever going to face any sort of consequences for anything he does or says? does he just get to incite violence on a daily basis and 1/3 of the country say 'right on', and the other 2/3 just say fvck all, it is fvcking normalised now, we/you're all afflicted with sh1t-fatigue, he's just blitzed us with so much sh1t that we're past any rational response its like, I'm at this exhausted fatigued place, its like a sensory overload of emotions across the gamut from contempt and hate to frustration and whatever-is-way-beyond-bemusement
this sh1t is so fvcked up.
Donald Trump has demanded that the parent company of MSNBC and NBC be investigated for “treason” over what he described as “one-side and vicious coverage”.
In a Truth Social rant on Sunday, the former president threatened to launch a probe into Comcast if he wins the 2024 race.
“They are a true threat to Democracy and are, in fact, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! The Fake News Media should pay a big price for what they have done to our once great Country!” he wrote.
MSNBC = ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE
GENERAL MILLEY = TRAITOR SHOULD BE PUNISHED BY DEATH
Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH".
he is literally calling for anyone who ever says anything bad about him to be treated as traitors. and we know what the penalty for that is, don't we? He and Marge have told us all, on numerous occasions.
these are not idle threats.
Either he wins and carries them out himself via the justice system (which he #weaponised# more against Michael Cohen and others than the Dems ever did against him), or he loses and his fucken nutbar followers literally kill people he has said bad stuff about
it is so, so fvcked up, you guys are sleepwalking right into it. is this fvcker ever going to face any sort of consequences for anything he does or says? does he just get to incite violence on a daily basis and 1/3 of the country say 'right on', and the other 2/3 just say fvck all, it is fvcking normalised now, we/you're all afflicted with sh1t-fatigue, he's just blitzed us with so much sh1t that we're past any rational response its like, I'm at this exhausted fatigued place, its like a sensory overload of emotions across the gamut from contempt and hate to frustration and whatever-is-way-beyond-bemusement
this sh1t is so fvcked up.
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'they say bad things about me, they should be prosecuted as traitors.'
in what fvcking world does that not make people conclude he is an actual wannabe fascist?
in what world do all the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and all their ilk exist, as an actual brownshirt-mob-in-waiting, without this being called what it is?
in what fvcking world does that not make people conclude he is an actual wannabe fascist?
in what world do all the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and all their ilk exist, as an actual brownshirt-mob-in-waiting, without this being called what it is?
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and the reaction from within the Reps:
The text of Gosar’s newsletter was published on X Sunday by reporter Ben Jacobs, who included a screenshot of the far-right congressman’s diatribe. Discussing the events of Jan. 6, 2021, Gosar writes:
After the riot was in full swing, the Chief’s request for National Guard was finally approved. But even after approval was given, General Milley, the homosexual-promoting-BLM-activist Chairman of the military joint chiefs, delayed. Of course, we now know that the deviant Milley was coordinating with Nancy Pelosi to hurt President Trump, and treasonously working behind Trump’s back. In a better society, quislings like the strange sodomy-promoting General Milley would be hung.
its always nice to see innovative additions to the usual Fascist-Republican word salad, 'sodomy' and 'deviant' are at least a welcome bit of variety
The text of Gosar’s newsletter was published on X Sunday by reporter Ben Jacobs, who included a screenshot of the far-right congressman’s diatribe. Discussing the events of Jan. 6, 2021, Gosar writes:
After the riot was in full swing, the Chief’s request for National Guard was finally approved. But even after approval was given, General Milley, the homosexual-promoting-BLM-activist Chairman of the military joint chiefs, delayed. Of course, we now know that the deviant Milley was coordinating with Nancy Pelosi to hurt President Trump, and treasonously working behind Trump’s back. In a better society, quislings like the strange sodomy-promoting General Milley would be hung.
its always nice to see innovative additions to the usual Fascist-Republican word salad, 'sodomy' and 'deviant' are at least a welcome bit of variety
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Gosar is a straight up nazi. It's truly frightening that people like him can rise to power. He got elected even though his entire family went public and said "do not vote for this man".Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2023, 05:11 and the reaction from within the Reps:
The text of Gosar’s newsletter was published on X Sunday by reporter Ben Jacobs, who included a screenshot of the far-right congressman’s diatribe. Discussing the events of Jan. 6, 2021, Gosar writes:
After the riot was in full swing, the Chief’s request for National Guard was finally approved. But even after approval was given, General Milley, the homosexual-promoting-BLM-activist Chairman of the military joint chiefs, delayed. Of course, we now know that the deviant Milley was coordinating with Nancy Pelosi to hurt President Trump, and treasonously working behind Trump’s back. In a better society, quislings like the strange sodomy-promoting General Milley would be hung.
its always nice to see innovative additions to the usual Fascist-Republican word salad, 'sodomy' and 'deviant' are at least a welcome bit of variety
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amazing.
meanwhile it seems that Mark Meadows burned so many documents in the runup to J6 that he complained it was difficult to get the 'bonfire smell' drycleaned out of his suits.
nothing to see there, of course. I mean, totally innocent, that's why he had to make sure there was no record whatsoever of whatever it was he was burning.
these people are such sick disgusting fvcking liars and hypocrites and fvcking creeps. everything they accuse the Dems of is projection, I mean fvck me they talk about the fucken DEMS wanting to take people's freedoms away, and their orange cult toy talking the whole time about settling his accounts with everyone who ever slighted or opposed him?
meanwhile it seems that Mark Meadows burned so many documents in the runup to J6 that he complained it was difficult to get the 'bonfire smell' drycleaned out of his suits.
nothing to see there, of course. I mean, totally innocent, that's why he had to make sure there was no record whatsoever of whatever it was he was burning.
these people are such sick disgusting fvcking liars and hypocrites and fvcking creeps. everything they accuse the Dems of is projection, I mean fvck me they talk about the fucken DEMS wanting to take people's freedoms away, and their orange cult toy talking the whole time about settling his accounts with everyone who ever slighted or opposed him?
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/th ... 0c2a&ei=34
The Republican attacks on fact-checkers come as increasing numbers of Americans reject Republican policies on everything from gutting Social Security to banning abortion to making it harder for city-dwellers to vote: the new Trumpy GOP has decided that abandoning that whole pesky idea of democracy itself is the way to go.
We see this in Ohio, where the Republican Secretary of State has re-written the description of an abortion-rights ballot measure to confuse voters after losing an attempt to prevent it from showing up on the ballot altogether failed.
We also see it in:
— Alabama, ignoring the US Supreme Court’s order to strip out the white supremacy from their electoral maps.
— North Carolina, where Republicans flipped their Supreme Court to overrule its own previous decision to prevent racial gerrymanders benefiting Republicans.
— Wisconsin where Republicans are trying to impeach a Democratic Supreme Court justice because she opposes their gerrymandered maps.
— Ohio’s gerrymandering, with Republicans ignoring their own GOP-controlled Supreme Court.
— Florida, where DeSantis and Republicans passed a permitless gun-carry bill opposed by 77 percent of Floridians and now allow the state to take trans kids away from their families.
— Tennessee, where Republicans kicked three Democrats out of office for daring to fight for abortion and civil rights.
— Red states across the country that have passed laws blocking tens of millions of mostly-city-dwelling American citizens from voting and continue to purge other tens of millions from the voter rolls just before elections.
This is where the lies come in, with Republican politicians routinely lying about everything from Democratic positions on abortion (falsely saying “Democrats support abortion up until the moment of birth and even, horrifically, after that”) to climate change to Ukraine to Republican plans to end or privatize Social Security to crimes committed by Donald Trump.
And that doesn’t begin to count the lies they tell about individual Democrats and the policies they support. As Justin Higgins, a former policy adviser for House Republican Tim Huelskamp of Kansas, told Aaron Rupar:
“You can basically make up your own reality in right-wing media.”
And Jim Jordan wants to keep it that way. The Republican Chair of the House Judiciary and “Weaponization of Government” committees is using his power to harass and intimidate fact-checking organizations at every level.
For example, as The Washington Post reports:
“The National Institutes of Health froze a $150 million program intended to advance the communication of medical information….
“Academics and government scientists say the [Jordan] campaign also is successfully throttling the years-long effort to study online falsehoods, which grew after Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election caught both social media sites and politicians unaware.”
Republican-aligned social media oligarchs are jumping on the bandwagon. The Washington Post report notes that:
“…12 major media accounts from Russia, China and Iran saw the number of likes and reposts on X nearly double after Musk removed labels calling them government-affiliated.”
Those Russian and Chinese sites have been major sources of lies and disinformation trashing Democrats and democracy while supporting Republican politicians, including Donald Trump. Oligarchic and authoritarian nations, after all, would much rather have America turn into a full-blown strongman state than remain a thorn in their side with all our talk about democracy and human rights.
Musk has also sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), alleging the group has engaged in a “scare campaign to drive away advertisers” and is using information technically not their own to identify falsehoods on the Twitter/X platform. Jordan then jumped into the action, accusing the group of taking federal funds that it insists don’t exist.
As The Washington Post noted:
“X also alleged, without offering evidence for its claims, that the CCDH operations were ‘activist organizations masquerading as research agencies, funded and supported by unknown organizations, individuals and potentially even foreign governments with ties to legacy media companies.’”
Republican-controlled appeals courts have even successfully blocked the Biden administration from telling social media companies and other news outlets when they’ve discovered foreign disinformation campaigns promoting lies that are destructive to American public health or our democracy.
Rightwing “news” outlets from Alex Jones to Fox “News” have been successfully sued for tens to hundreds of millions for promulgating lies; now the entire billionaire-supported authoritarian movement is pushing back against fact-checkers with muscle and money.
The Post reports that the attacks by Jordan, Senator Joni Ernst, and others have taken universities and academics who study online lies and disinformation “by surprise.” Numerous experts, not wanting to get embroiled in inquiries and litigation that could cost hundreds of thousands in legal fees, are fleeing the field or moving to private universities, where their work can’t be subpoenaed according to The Washington Post.
Laura Edelson, an assistant professor of computer science at Northeastern University who was formerly the Justice Department’s chief technologist and was investigating online lies, told The Washington Post about her job change:
“I knew that because of the way our field is being attacked that the cost of the work I do is a lot higher at a public institution. I just didn’t want to pay that cost, and that’s why I only applied to private universities.”
As the headline at Raw Story summarizes:
“Jim Jordan blamed for 'throttling' safeguards against misinformation before election.”
The Putin Caucus in the GOP, along with the fossil fuel billionaires who continue to fund climate denial online, appear quite pleased that they’ve succeeded in intimidating fact-checkers just in time for the 2024 election.
So now the work of fighting the lies and telling the truth falls to us, to you and me, and our own ability to use social media and networks of friends and family to rebut the lies coming from Moscow, Saudi Arabia, and China via the GOP
Republicans actively want a society in which the 'truth' is limited-exposure. They would rather push Chinese misinformation and fvck their own country a billion times, than lose. Their bottomfeeding supporters love this. They love being lied to. They lap up every fvcking morsel that aids their combination of misanthropy, an instinct towards division, and bad-faith.
The Republican attacks on fact-checkers come as increasing numbers of Americans reject Republican policies on everything from gutting Social Security to banning abortion to making it harder for city-dwellers to vote: the new Trumpy GOP has decided that abandoning that whole pesky idea of democracy itself is the way to go.
We see this in Ohio, where the Republican Secretary of State has re-written the description of an abortion-rights ballot measure to confuse voters after losing an attempt to prevent it from showing up on the ballot altogether failed.
We also see it in:
— Alabama, ignoring the US Supreme Court’s order to strip out the white supremacy from their electoral maps.
— North Carolina, where Republicans flipped their Supreme Court to overrule its own previous decision to prevent racial gerrymanders benefiting Republicans.
— Wisconsin where Republicans are trying to impeach a Democratic Supreme Court justice because she opposes their gerrymandered maps.
— Ohio’s gerrymandering, with Republicans ignoring their own GOP-controlled Supreme Court.
— Florida, where DeSantis and Republicans passed a permitless gun-carry bill opposed by 77 percent of Floridians and now allow the state to take trans kids away from their families.
— Tennessee, where Republicans kicked three Democrats out of office for daring to fight for abortion and civil rights.
— Red states across the country that have passed laws blocking tens of millions of mostly-city-dwelling American citizens from voting and continue to purge other tens of millions from the voter rolls just before elections.
This is where the lies come in, with Republican politicians routinely lying about everything from Democratic positions on abortion (falsely saying “Democrats support abortion up until the moment of birth and even, horrifically, after that”) to climate change to Ukraine to Republican plans to end or privatize Social Security to crimes committed by Donald Trump.
And that doesn’t begin to count the lies they tell about individual Democrats and the policies they support. As Justin Higgins, a former policy adviser for House Republican Tim Huelskamp of Kansas, told Aaron Rupar:
“You can basically make up your own reality in right-wing media.”
And Jim Jordan wants to keep it that way. The Republican Chair of the House Judiciary and “Weaponization of Government” committees is using his power to harass and intimidate fact-checking organizations at every level.
For example, as The Washington Post reports:
“The National Institutes of Health froze a $150 million program intended to advance the communication of medical information….
“Academics and government scientists say the [Jordan] campaign also is successfully throttling the years-long effort to study online falsehoods, which grew after Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election caught both social media sites and politicians unaware.”
Republican-aligned social media oligarchs are jumping on the bandwagon. The Washington Post report notes that:
“…12 major media accounts from Russia, China and Iran saw the number of likes and reposts on X nearly double after Musk removed labels calling them government-affiliated.”
Those Russian and Chinese sites have been major sources of lies and disinformation trashing Democrats and democracy while supporting Republican politicians, including Donald Trump. Oligarchic and authoritarian nations, after all, would much rather have America turn into a full-blown strongman state than remain a thorn in their side with all our talk about democracy and human rights.
Musk has also sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), alleging the group has engaged in a “scare campaign to drive away advertisers” and is using information technically not their own to identify falsehoods on the Twitter/X platform. Jordan then jumped into the action, accusing the group of taking federal funds that it insists don’t exist.
As The Washington Post noted:
“X also alleged, without offering evidence for its claims, that the CCDH operations were ‘activist organizations masquerading as research agencies, funded and supported by unknown organizations, individuals and potentially even foreign governments with ties to legacy media companies.’”
Republican-controlled appeals courts have even successfully blocked the Biden administration from telling social media companies and other news outlets when they’ve discovered foreign disinformation campaigns promoting lies that are destructive to American public health or our democracy.
Rightwing “news” outlets from Alex Jones to Fox “News” have been successfully sued for tens to hundreds of millions for promulgating lies; now the entire billionaire-supported authoritarian movement is pushing back against fact-checkers with muscle and money.
The Post reports that the attacks by Jordan, Senator Joni Ernst, and others have taken universities and academics who study online lies and disinformation “by surprise.” Numerous experts, not wanting to get embroiled in inquiries and litigation that could cost hundreds of thousands in legal fees, are fleeing the field or moving to private universities, where their work can’t be subpoenaed according to The Washington Post.
Laura Edelson, an assistant professor of computer science at Northeastern University who was formerly the Justice Department’s chief technologist and was investigating online lies, told The Washington Post about her job change:
“I knew that because of the way our field is being attacked that the cost of the work I do is a lot higher at a public institution. I just didn’t want to pay that cost, and that’s why I only applied to private universities.”
As the headline at Raw Story summarizes:
“Jim Jordan blamed for 'throttling' safeguards against misinformation before election.”
The Putin Caucus in the GOP, along with the fossil fuel billionaires who continue to fund climate denial online, appear quite pleased that they’ve succeeded in intimidating fact-checkers just in time for the 2024 election.
So now the work of fighting the lies and telling the truth falls to us, to you and me, and our own ability to use social media and networks of friends and family to rebut the lies coming from Moscow, Saudi Arabia, and China via the GOP
Republicans actively want a society in which the 'truth' is limited-exposure. They would rather push Chinese misinformation and fvck their own country a billion times, than lose. Their bottomfeeding supporters love this. They love being lied to. They lap up every fvcking morsel that aids their combination of misanthropy, an instinct towards division, and bad-faith.
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b b b b b b b but Hunter Biden, uh Ukraine, right, Hunter Biden, right, Ukraine, right? right?
One of the Republican conspiracy theories is that President Joe Biden had a top prosecutor in Ukraine fired because he was investigating Biden's son.
It is a tale that has been disproved by fact-check after fact-check, but it's something Fox's Brian Kilmeade tried to reinvigorate when he interviewed former Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. It failed spectacularly.
Kilmeade played a clip of the former prosecutor, Victor Shokin, who has promoted the conspiracy theory on numerous occasions for Fox. But on Sunday, Poroshenko wasn't playing ball.
He's "a complete crazy person," said Poroshenko of Shokin. "There's something wrong with him."
Kilmeade's face fell into a kind of blank sadness.
The moment led to internet ridicule for most of Monday afternoon.
"Did Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko just completely destroy the GOP’s Biden accusations?" asked Ed Krassenstein.
"Brian Kilmeade on Sunday inadvertently took a sledgehammer to a load-bearing pillar holding up a long-debunked conspiracy that Republicans are currently trying to use to impeach President Joe Biden," described the Daily Beast.
"Please do not use a person such as Shokin to undermine bipartisan support for Ukraine," quoted John Powers of former Ukrainian President Poroshenko to Brian Kilmeade.
Robin Unger called Kilmeade "a MAGA Trump stooge."
One of the Republican conspiracy theories is that President Joe Biden had a top prosecutor in Ukraine fired because he was investigating Biden's son.
It is a tale that has been disproved by fact-check after fact-check, but it's something Fox's Brian Kilmeade tried to reinvigorate when he interviewed former Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. It failed spectacularly.
Kilmeade played a clip of the former prosecutor, Victor Shokin, who has promoted the conspiracy theory on numerous occasions for Fox. But on Sunday, Poroshenko wasn't playing ball.
He's "a complete crazy person," said Poroshenko of Shokin. "There's something wrong with him."
Kilmeade's face fell into a kind of blank sadness.
The moment led to internet ridicule for most of Monday afternoon.
"Did Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko just completely destroy the GOP’s Biden accusations?" asked Ed Krassenstein.
"Brian Kilmeade on Sunday inadvertently took a sledgehammer to a load-bearing pillar holding up a long-debunked conspiracy that Republicans are currently trying to use to impeach President Joe Biden," described the Daily Beast.
"Please do not use a person such as Shokin to undermine bipartisan support for Ukraine," quoted John Powers of former Ukrainian President Poroshenko to Brian Kilmeade.
Robin Unger called Kilmeade "a MAGA Trump stooge."
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and these schmoes would probably go to jail still believing in the rightness of their cause and their leader, and the unfairness of their persecution.giacomino wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023, 17:41 The people who oughta sing are the rednecks from Coffee County who let the Trumpys into the election office to copy Dominion election system data. Happened as Trumpys were blubbering about Dominion machines being compromised. They were, by those idiots, and it's all on video (and a felony). In 'Murica, those are the kind of poor numbnuts who get convicted and sent to pound-me-in-the-azz prison, not the Trumps and Rudys of the world. Same goes for the dumbazzes who threatened the $30,000-a-year election workers because they didn't like that Trumpy lost.
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but 'both sides' are as bad as each other, right?
I mean, the Repubs will defend literally anything any of their people do, Trump's litany, George Santos's epic laundrylist of lies, and the Repubs won't just not condemn, but actively defend and laud these people. and detest their unfair persecution.
meanwhile tho, it's the Dems who weaponise the Justice system corruptly, right, against the Reps, right? ohg but wait, didnhj't some democrat get indicted recently? it's almost as tho the Dems just prosecute criminals where they find them,.
but the Dems are probably the same as the Reps, right, i mean this New Jersey guy Menendez, corrupt as fvck and the Dems probably will just stick by him, right, like the Reps have done with Santos and Trump, right? right?
Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) plans to give back $5,000 that Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) donated to his U.S. Senate campaign last year. The Pennsylvania Democrat, who was the first senator to call on the New Jersey politician to resign, will return the donation in envelopes full of $100 bills in a reference to evidence laid out by prosecutors in an indictment alleging that Menendez engaged in corruption with three associates and businessmen, reported The Messenger.
"Senator Menendez should resign. He’s entitled to the presumption of innocence, but he cannot continue to wield influence over national policy, especially given the serious and specific nature of the allegations," Fetterman posted on Saturday. "I hope he chooses an honorable exit and focuses on his trial."
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But elsewhere in New Jersey politics, it's a different story, as POLITICO reports Democrats in the Garden State are debating a move to strip him of key ballot line endorsements — a move that would make it difficult for him to be re-nominated if he choses to run.
"New Jersey Democrats were already agitated by the serious nature of the charges outlined in the indictment of Menendez and his wife, Nadine. Rep. Andy Kim (D-N.J.) on Friday afternoon became the first member of the state's congressional delegation to call for Menendez to step down from Congress following the indictment," reported Sarah Ferris and Matt Friedman. "It's not clear how quickly the state's Democrats might try to move against Menendez's formal listing on their ballot, if they do. The senator drew a primary challenger, small-town mayor Joe Signorello III, but he since shifted his sights to the House."
In New Jersey, there is a controversial ballot design system that effectively rigs the primary for whomever county-level officials endorse for office. Candidates who receive the "party line," as chosen by those officials, are displayed in a more prominent column on the ballot, while those who do not are displayed in separate columns off to the side that make it confusing for voters to select them. If New Jersey county officials select someone other than Menendez for the party line, he would have an uphill battle.
yeah but 'both sides' though.
who in the NY Repubs has suggested they get rid of Santos? meanwhile the lying sack of sh1t makes a mockery of democracy with his very continued existence.
I mean, the Repubs will defend literally anything any of their people do, Trump's litany, George Santos's epic laundrylist of lies, and the Repubs won't just not condemn, but actively defend and laud these people. and detest their unfair persecution.
meanwhile tho, it's the Dems who weaponise the Justice system corruptly, right, against the Reps, right? ohg but wait, didnhj't some democrat get indicted recently? it's almost as tho the Dems just prosecute criminals where they find them,.
but the Dems are probably the same as the Reps, right, i mean this New Jersey guy Menendez, corrupt as fvck and the Dems probably will just stick by him, right, like the Reps have done with Santos and Trump, right? right?
Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) plans to give back $5,000 that Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) donated to his U.S. Senate campaign last year. The Pennsylvania Democrat, who was the first senator to call on the New Jersey politician to resign, will return the donation in envelopes full of $100 bills in a reference to evidence laid out by prosecutors in an indictment alleging that Menendez engaged in corruption with three associates and businessmen, reported The Messenger.
"Senator Menendez should resign. He’s entitled to the presumption of innocence, but he cannot continue to wield influence over national policy, especially given the serious and specific nature of the allegations," Fetterman posted on Saturday. "I hope he chooses an honorable exit and focuses on his trial."
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But elsewhere in New Jersey politics, it's a different story, as POLITICO reports Democrats in the Garden State are debating a move to strip him of key ballot line endorsements — a move that would make it difficult for him to be re-nominated if he choses to run.
"New Jersey Democrats were already agitated by the serious nature of the charges outlined in the indictment of Menendez and his wife, Nadine. Rep. Andy Kim (D-N.J.) on Friday afternoon became the first member of the state's congressional delegation to call for Menendez to step down from Congress following the indictment," reported Sarah Ferris and Matt Friedman. "It's not clear how quickly the state's Democrats might try to move against Menendez's formal listing on their ballot, if they do. The senator drew a primary challenger, small-town mayor Joe Signorello III, but he since shifted his sights to the House."
In New Jersey, there is a controversial ballot design system that effectively rigs the primary for whomever county-level officials endorse for office. Candidates who receive the "party line," as chosen by those officials, are displayed in a more prominent column on the ballot, while those who do not are displayed in separate columns off to the side that make it confusing for voters to select them. If New Jersey county officials select someone other than Menendez for the party line, he would have an uphill battle.
yeah but 'both sides' though.
who in the NY Repubs has suggested they get rid of Santos? meanwhile the lying sack of sh1t makes a mockery of democracy with his very continued existence.
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Windmills are killing Whales and driving them crazy


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yuh but Biden is senile tho and Hunter Biden's laptop and there is a tranny over there and #weaponisedDOJ and and and and where was I uh oh yeah Biden senile tho
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oh yeah Hunter and Ukraine and Ukraine and Hunter, oh yeah
but wait. didn't one of the guys who was at the centre of this, helping the Repubs to sell the story, didn't he come out and say, himself, that is was all bullsh1t from the start?
Lev Parnas, one of the associates of Rudy Giuliani's working on the Ukraine conspiracy has been released from prison on home confinement and he's speaking out about his experience working to help Donald Trump.
MSNBC's Ari Melber asked what he called "an obvious, straightforward comparison. There are people like Mr. Giuliani, to say nothing of Mr. Trump who have faced less accountability than you. Did that weigh on your mind while you were incarcerated?"
Parnas agreed, noting that since his incarceration he's had a lot of time to think.
"That's been weighing on my mind from the day I was arrested, because the things I was doing, at the time I was doing it, I thought I was doing it, as an American patriot, serving my country," he said. "Never in my wildest dreams did I think the president of the United States could be so corrupt and do the things he did or send me to do the things that I ended up doing. It still weighs on my mind heavily. That is why I am trying to now make amends and make sure I let the whole truth out and make sure everybody knows exactly what transpired, especially with what's going on in Ukraine."
He explained that at the time, he truly believed Trump and Giuliani's claims that there was a "deep state conspiracy" afoot inside the U.S. government.
"And the Ukrainian people were involved in the officials involved were corrupt and they were trying to undermine the U.S. elections by -- at the time," Parnas continued. "But after reflecting and understanding exactly what transpired, I now realize and understand that it was really Trump using Giuliani, like his Roy Cohn. And making him put people like myself in harm's way to be able to dig up dirt, at that time, on Joe Biden."
Conservatives are still trying to push the same conspiracy, that President Joe Biden's son was somehow involved in a slew of international scams that made the Biden men billionaires. It's false and no one in the Biden family is a billionaire. Parnas has said that the Hunter Biden laptop scheme was a "setup" from the beginning.
"Let me dig into that," Melber began. "What you are telling me, for my understanding is that, during that time you bought into the storyline that you thought, if there is really corruption over there, you are helping explore or uproot it, perhaps. And you are telling me that later you came to see that — which I should know and viewers know was a widely discredited cover story to hurt the Bidens for political reasons — that you do now see it that way and say well, actually it was all kind of Trump's political BS?"
He agreed, and began to echo some of the same points other former Trump allies have said once leaving the fold, describing it more as a kind of cult than a political campaign.
"You have to understand, I grew up in Brooklyn and I looked up to people like Giuliani and Trump and when he became president, I really believed I was cultinized, and I drink the kool-aid," Parnas admitted. "And I really believed that he was trying to do good for our country and I thought, honestly that everything I'm doing is positive for our country. But eventually, even prior to my arrest, I could see the way that Giuliani was being so aggressive with Trump officials and putting pressure on President [Volodymyr] Zelensky at the time."
"Sooner or later I started getting a feeling, but I didn't realize it until after my arrest and after I had time to re-evaluate everything that happened and understand," continued Parnas. "Today I truly believe and understand that they were using me to be able to basically win the 2020 election. Most people deep down inside -- educated, common sense individuals who might not be saying it out loud, realize it's a bunch of BS and it's not true, but they don't come out and say it because for their own personal benefits. They want to change the policy or president, or whatever the political aspect is."
He closed by admitting that based on what he saw, he firmly believes that both Giuliani and Trump "committed crimes" based on the way they pressured Zelensky and prosecutors in Ukraine. Parnas also linked Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to the scheme at one point.
"They basically blackmailed them and force them into trying to get information. They threaten them with different things," said Parnas. "The first thing was not having Vice President Pence attend the inauguration. That was a huge thing for President Zelensky once he got into office. With how the military is and stuff like that. The constant threat going on, the state and get what they wanted and what they wanted was for President Zelensky to come out and say there was going to be an investigation into Joe Biden.
but wait. didn't one of the guys who was at the centre of this, helping the Repubs to sell the story, didn't he come out and say, himself, that is was all bullsh1t from the start?
Lev Parnas, one of the associates of Rudy Giuliani's working on the Ukraine conspiracy has been released from prison on home confinement and he's speaking out about his experience working to help Donald Trump.
MSNBC's Ari Melber asked what he called "an obvious, straightforward comparison. There are people like Mr. Giuliani, to say nothing of Mr. Trump who have faced less accountability than you. Did that weigh on your mind while you were incarcerated?"
Parnas agreed, noting that since his incarceration he's had a lot of time to think.
"That's been weighing on my mind from the day I was arrested, because the things I was doing, at the time I was doing it, I thought I was doing it, as an American patriot, serving my country," he said. "Never in my wildest dreams did I think the president of the United States could be so corrupt and do the things he did or send me to do the things that I ended up doing. It still weighs on my mind heavily. That is why I am trying to now make amends and make sure I let the whole truth out and make sure everybody knows exactly what transpired, especially with what's going on in Ukraine."
He explained that at the time, he truly believed Trump and Giuliani's claims that there was a "deep state conspiracy" afoot inside the U.S. government.
"And the Ukrainian people were involved in the officials involved were corrupt and they were trying to undermine the U.S. elections by -- at the time," Parnas continued. "But after reflecting and understanding exactly what transpired, I now realize and understand that it was really Trump using Giuliani, like his Roy Cohn. And making him put people like myself in harm's way to be able to dig up dirt, at that time, on Joe Biden."
Conservatives are still trying to push the same conspiracy, that President Joe Biden's son was somehow involved in a slew of international scams that made the Biden men billionaires. It's false and no one in the Biden family is a billionaire. Parnas has said that the Hunter Biden laptop scheme was a "setup" from the beginning.
"Let me dig into that," Melber began. "What you are telling me, for my understanding is that, during that time you bought into the storyline that you thought, if there is really corruption over there, you are helping explore or uproot it, perhaps. And you are telling me that later you came to see that — which I should know and viewers know was a widely discredited cover story to hurt the Bidens for political reasons — that you do now see it that way and say well, actually it was all kind of Trump's political BS?"
He agreed, and began to echo some of the same points other former Trump allies have said once leaving the fold, describing it more as a kind of cult than a political campaign.
"You have to understand, I grew up in Brooklyn and I looked up to people like Giuliani and Trump and when he became president, I really believed I was cultinized, and I drink the kool-aid," Parnas admitted. "And I really believed that he was trying to do good for our country and I thought, honestly that everything I'm doing is positive for our country. But eventually, even prior to my arrest, I could see the way that Giuliani was being so aggressive with Trump officials and putting pressure on President [Volodymyr] Zelensky at the time."
"Sooner or later I started getting a feeling, but I didn't realize it until after my arrest and after I had time to re-evaluate everything that happened and understand," continued Parnas. "Today I truly believe and understand that they were using me to be able to basically win the 2020 election. Most people deep down inside -- educated, common sense individuals who might not be saying it out loud, realize it's a bunch of BS and it's not true, but they don't come out and say it because for their own personal benefits. They want to change the policy or president, or whatever the political aspect is."
He closed by admitting that based on what he saw, he firmly believes that both Giuliani and Trump "committed crimes" based on the way they pressured Zelensky and prosecutors in Ukraine. Parnas also linked Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to the scheme at one point.
"They basically blackmailed them and force them into trying to get information. They threaten them with different things," said Parnas. "The first thing was not having Vice President Pence attend the inauguration. That was a huge thing for President Zelensky once he got into office. With how the military is and stuff like that. The constant threat going on, the state and get what they wanted and what they wanted was for President Zelensky to come out and say there was going to be an investigation into Joe Biden.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another lawsuit for Giuliani, finally Hunter got a decent lawyer who advised him to stop being a passive fvcking punchbag
Hunter Biden is suing Rudy Giuliani, claiming the former New York Mayor hacked data from the hard drive of his infamous laptop and 'annihilated' his privacy.
The device found at a Delaware repair shop contained thousands of photos, videos and files of the president's scandal-hit son.
Publication of the details led to accusations that the Biden family were involved in corrupt influence-peddling while Joe Biden was vice president, and ultimately to an impeachment inquiry against the current president.
It is the latest combative move from Hunter's legal team as he prepares to appear in court on federal gun charges, and as House Republicans prepare to hold the first impeachment inquiry hearing on Thursday.
Hunter and his attorneys accuse Giuliani and Costello of 'tampering' and 'manipulating' information on the laptop.
The lawsuit accuses them of having 'dedicated an extraordinary amount of time and energy toward looking for, hacking into, tampering with, manipulating, copying, disseminating, and generally obsessing over data that they were given that was taken or stolen.'
It also claims Giuliani and Costello used Hunter's username to access the data on the laptop left at a repair shop in Delaware.
The lawsuit says 'the defendants are among those who have been primarily responsible for what has been described as the "total annihilation" of Plaintiff’s digital privacy.
'They also are among those who have been primarily responsible for the "total annihilation" of Plaintiff’s data.'
It was filed in a federal court in Los Angeles.
Giuliani and Costello say they were given a copy of the hard drive in August 2020 by the repair shop's owner, John Paul Mac Isaac.
Since then Mac Isaac has also handed it over to federal investigators, and multiple news organizations, including DailyMail.com, have since verified its contents
The lawsuit mentions Giuliani's statements on a podcast and his nightly YouTube show.
'This belongs to Hunter Biden,' Giuliani said, while holding up a laptop during a February 2, 2023 episode of America's Mayor Live.
Hunter Biden is suing Rudy Giuliani, claiming the former New York Mayor hacked data from the hard drive of his infamous laptop and 'annihilated' his privacy.
The device found at a Delaware repair shop contained thousands of photos, videos and files of the president's scandal-hit son.
Publication of the details led to accusations that the Biden family were involved in corrupt influence-peddling while Joe Biden was vice president, and ultimately to an impeachment inquiry against the current president.
It is the latest combative move from Hunter's legal team as he prepares to appear in court on federal gun charges, and as House Republicans prepare to hold the first impeachment inquiry hearing on Thursday.
Hunter and his attorneys accuse Giuliani and Costello of 'tampering' and 'manipulating' information on the laptop.
The lawsuit accuses them of having 'dedicated an extraordinary amount of time and energy toward looking for, hacking into, tampering with, manipulating, copying, disseminating, and generally obsessing over data that they were given that was taken or stolen.'
It also claims Giuliani and Costello used Hunter's username to access the data on the laptop left at a repair shop in Delaware.
The lawsuit says 'the defendants are among those who have been primarily responsible for what has been described as the "total annihilation" of Plaintiff’s digital privacy.
'They also are among those who have been primarily responsible for the "total annihilation" of Plaintiff’s data.'
It was filed in a federal court in Los Angeles.
Giuliani and Costello say they were given a copy of the hard drive in August 2020 by the repair shop's owner, John Paul Mac Isaac.
Since then Mac Isaac has also handed it over to federal investigators, and multiple news organizations, including DailyMail.com, have since verified its contents
The lawsuit mentions Giuliani's statements on a podcast and his nightly YouTube show.
'This belongs to Hunter Biden,' Giuliani said, while holding up a laptop during a February 2, 2023 episode of America's Mayor Live.
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so, perhaps it might add some context to the above, to say that according to an inner circle witness, Meadows's agenda even before Jan 6 transpired was as simple as 'keeping Trump out of jail'. Isn't that an interesting choice of words? It's almost as though these fvcking sick knts, like, knowingly break the law, over and over again or something.Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2023, 06:02 amazing.
meanwhile it seems that Mark Meadows burned so many documents in the runup to J6 that he complained it was difficult to get the 'bonfire smell' drycleaned out of his suits.
nothing to see there, of course. I mean, totally innocent, that's why he had to make sure there was no record whatsoever of whatever it was he was burning.
1. Mark Meadows was determined to keep Trump 'out of jail'
According to Hutchinson, Meadows was hoping to limit Trump's legal exposure long before he was charged with anything. In June 2020, Hutchson reveals, Meadows told her, "Cass, if I can get through this job and manage to keep (Trump) out of jail, I'll have done a good job."
Trump is so fvcking crooked that the bar his Chief oS sets for his own performance is simply to keep the fvcking twisted lying POS out of jail.
goddamn, it's almost as though all the repub talk, how they know Trump is an innocent man being persecuted by the weaponised DoJ, is complete bullsh1t
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meanwhile a load of MAGA types are throwing insults at Taylor Swift for... encouraging people to register to vote.
Of course, we all know why the filthy Repub scumbags don't want people to vote, don't we:?
Of course, we all know why the filthy Repub scumbags don't want people to vote, don't we:?
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U.S. Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) is losing support as more of his Senate Democratic colleagues formally call on him to resign after he was indicted again, this time on federal bribery charges that included allegations of receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and gold bars.
As of Tuesday morning, at least nine Democratic U.S. Senators have now called on the twice-indicted senior Democratic Senator from New Jersey to resign, as they cite the gravity of the charges against him.
'both sides', though, right? the Repubs in the House are doing the exact same with Santos though, right? Right?
fvcking scumbags, and anyone who supports them
As of Tuesday morning, at least nine Democratic U.S. Senators have now called on the twice-indicted senior Democratic Senator from New Jersey to resign, as they cite the gravity of the charges against him.
'both sides', though, right? the Repubs in the House are doing the exact same with Santos though, right? Right?
fvcking scumbags, and anyone who supports them
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So MAGA are picking a fight with Taylor Swift- for encouraging people to vote
- and Swift is winning.
35000 new voters registered following her recent call, the most since 2020 when… Taylor Swift encouraged her fans to vote
So obviously the MAGAts have come out and called her, you know, a woke bitch and stuff.
Which means basically they will ensure every single Swifty that votes is guaranteed to vote Dem.
All because a load of fvcking morons hate the idea of democracy, they screw up their own chances of winning an election
The irony is just beautiful
I am a Swifty, all in, from now on



35000 new voters registered following her recent call, the most since 2020 when… Taylor Swift encouraged her fans to vote

So obviously the MAGAts have come out and called her, you know, a woke bitch and stuff.
Which means basically they will ensure every single Swifty that votes is guaranteed to vote Dem.
All because a load of fvcking morons hate the idea of democracy, they screw up their own chances of winning an election
The irony is just beautiful
I am a Swifty, all in, from now on

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A judge has ruled that Dodgy Donald committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House.
Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling on Tuesday in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney-general, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.
Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licences be rescinded as punishment, making it difficult or impossible for them to do business in New York, and said he would continue to have an independent monitor oversee the Trump Organisation’s operations.
The decision, days before the start of a non-jury trial in Attorney-General Letitia James’ lawsuit, is the strongest repudiation yet of Trump’s carefully coiffed image as a wealthy and shrewd real estate mogul turned political powerhouse.
Beyond mere bragging about his riches, Trump, his company and key executives repeatedly lied about them on his annual financial statements, reaping rewards such as favourable loan terms and lower insurance premiums, Engoron found.
Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling on Tuesday in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney-general, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.
Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licences be rescinded as punishment, making it difficult or impossible for them to do business in New York, and said he would continue to have an independent monitor oversee the Trump Organisation’s operations.
The decision, days before the start of a non-jury trial in Attorney-General Letitia James’ lawsuit, is the strongest repudiation yet of Trump’s carefully coiffed image as a wealthy and shrewd real estate mogul turned political powerhouse.
Beyond mere bragging about his riches, Trump, his company and key executives repeatedly lied about them on his annual financial statements, reaping rewards such as favourable loan terms and lower insurance premiums, Engoron found.
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from what i heard a major part of Trump's motivation for inflating values was he was obsessed with appearing on the Forbes list
fucken manchild
