More charges for Donny!!

[Counter-puncher]

the fed indictment has come down for Jan 6th

TRUMP KNEW
As Trump schemed to overturn the 2020 election, many of his aides and allies were under no illusion that Trump — a longtime provocateur — had actually won.

Some aides directly refuted conspiracy theories stirred by Trump and his lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Others told him point blank he had lost.

“There is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House (o)n January 20th,” a unnamed deputy White House counsel told Trump, according to the indictment. Another wrote in an email: “I’ll obviously hustle to help on all fronts, but it’s tough to own any of this when it’s all just conspiracy s--- beamed down from the mothership.”

But Trump continued to tell “prolific lies,” the indictment says, about the outcome of the election, even after being warned of his false statements by top government officials — citing thousands of dead voters in Georgia, an overcount in Pennsylvania and tens of thousands of noncitizen voters in Arizona. Those theories had been disputed by state and federal officials and even his own staff.




At the same time, Trump privately acknowledged his loss. After the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff urged Trump to not take action on a national security issue, Trump agreed, according to the indictment.


“Yeah, you’re right, it’s too late for us,” Trump said during a Jan. 3 meeting. “We’re going to give that to the next guy.”

and of course there were the fake electors:

FAKE ELECTORS DUPED INTO ‘CRAZY PLAY’
Early on, Trump’s team orchestrated a scheme to enlist officials in seven states he had lost — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Mexico, Wisconsin — to have them submit alternate election certificates saying he had actually won when Congress met to certify the vote Jan. 6.

The conspirators told most of the local officials that the certificates they were signing saying Trump won the election in their states would only be used if the court cases being waged over the election results showed that outcome.

But prosecutors allege that’s not true.

What started as a legal strategy quickly evolved into a corrupt plan to stop Biden’s count on Jan. 6, the indictment said.

Told by a colleague what was going on, Trump’s deputy campaign manager called it a “crazy play.” They refused to put their names on a statement about it, because none of them could “stand by it.”

THE CO-CONSPIRATORS
The indictment alleges Trump enlisted six people to help him try to overturn the 2020 election. The six people are not explicitly named, but the indictment includes details that make it possible to identify most of them.

As “Co-Conspirator 1” and “Co-Conspirator 2," lawyers Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman are quoted from their remarks at the “Stop the Steal” rally prior to the riot urging Pence to throw out the votes of valid electors.

A third lawyer, Sidney Powell, named as “Co-Conspirator 3,” filed a lawsuit in Georgia that amplified false or unsupported claims of election fraud. The indictment quotes Trump as privately conceding Powell’s claims sounded “crazy.”

Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official who championed Trump’s false claims of election fraud, is described as “Co-Conspirator 4.”

“Co-Conspirator 5” is lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, who the indictment says "assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.”

“Co-Conspirator 6” is an unknown political consultant who also assisted with the fake electors plan.

There are no known charges against the listed co-conspirators.

Giuliani aide Ted Goodman said in a statement that “every fact” the former New York City mayor had “establishes the good faith basis President Donald Trump had for the actions he took during the two-month period charged in the indictment.” Eastman lawyer Harvey Silverglate said his client denied any wrongdoing.

[Counter-puncher]

and some of his pals in Michigan too in a separate matter:

Michigan prosecutors charge Trump allies with vote machine tampering
Story by By Joey Cappalletti, Associated Press • Yesterday 20:41

Aformer Republican attorney general candidate and another supporter of former president Donald Trump have been charged in Michigan in connection with accessing and tampering with voting machines after the 2020 election, according to court records.

Matthew DePerno, a Republican lawyer who was endorsed by Mr Trump in an unsuccessful run for Michigan attorney general last year, was charged remotely on Tuesday afternoon, according to Richard Lynch, the court administrator for Oakland County’s 6th Circuit.

Mr Lynch also confirmed that Daire Rendon, a former state representative, was also charged on Tuesday.

Those charged in Michigan are the latest facing legal consequences for alleged crimes committed after embracing Mr Trump’s lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

[giacomino]

Sounds like the charges in Georgia will come out Aug. 14-15. The difference between the state charges here and the federal charges yesterday is neither Trumpy nor any other president can pardon somebody convicted of state charges. Presidents don't have the legal authoriy to pardon state convictions. So we could face the specter of having President Trumpy pardon himself on his own federal convictions but having to reside in one of Georgia's fine incarceration establishments during his second term

[Counter-puncher]

Sounds like the charges in Georgia will come out Aug. 14-15. The difference between the state charges here and the federal charges yesterday is neither Trumpy nor any other president can pardon somebody convicted of state charges.

sweet

[gilgamesh]

Wake me up if there's a conviction.

All the charges in the world don't mean sh*t without a conviction.

[watsupdoc87]

Sounds like the charges in Georgia will come out Aug. 14-15. The difference between the state charges here and the federal charges yesterday is neither Trumpy nor any other president can pardon somebody convicted of state charges. Presidents don't have the legal authoriy to pardon state convictions. So we could face the specter of having President Trumpy pardon himself on his own federal convictions but having to reside in one of Georgia's fine incarceration establishments during his second term

As an Irishman i dont know exactly how federal and state law applies in the U.S. So if its a state charge, could trump just avoid setting foot in Georgia in person and not get charged?

[Tony1244]

Wake me up if there's a conviction.

All the charges in the world don't mean sh*t without a conviction.

Yeah, wake me up when he's dead or at least in a prison cell.

[giacomino]

Sounds like the charges in Georgia will come out Aug. 14-15. The difference between the state charges here and the federal charges yesterday is neither Trumpy nor any other president can pardon somebody convicted of state charges. Presidents don't have the legal authoriy to pardon state convictions. So we could face the specter of having President Trumpy pardon himself on his own federal convictions but having to reside in one of Georgia's fine incarceration establishments during his second term

As an Irishman i dont know exactly how federal and state law applies in the U.S. So if its a state charge, could trump just avoid setting foot in Georgia in person and not get charged?

No. Not that simple. Technically he could fight extradition from Florida for trial, but doubt he will and if he did, he'd lose. The fact that they have him on tape trying to get the Georgia Sec of State to fix the election pretty much makes it obvious he can't win an extradition case. He will be tried in Georgia. Chances are they will find a MAGAt or two on the jury so he may get off per usual, but he'll either be tried or plea

[watsupdoc87]

Sounds like the charges in Georgia will come out Aug. 14-15. The difference between the state charges here and the federal charges yesterday is neither Trumpy nor any other president can pardon somebody convicted of state charges. Presidents don't have the legal authoriy to pardon state convictions. So we could face the specter of having President Trumpy pardon himself on his own federal convictions but having to reside in one of Georgia's fine incarceration establishments during his second term

As an Irishman i dont know exactly how federal and state law applies in the U.S. So if its a state charge, could trump just avoid setting foot in Georgia in person and not get charged?

No. Not that simple. Technically he could fight extradition from Florida for trial, but doubt he will and if he did, he'd lose. The fact that they have him on tape trying to get the Georgia Sec of State to fix the election pretty much makes it obvious he can't win an extradition case. He will be tried in Georgia. Chances are they will find a MAGAt or two on the jury so he may get off per usual, but he'll either be tried or plea

Ok thanks. And would an extradition be applied state by state or nationwide?

[giacomino]

As an Irishman i dont know exactly how federal and state law applies in the U.S. So if its a state charge, could trump just avoid setting foot in Georgia in person and not get charged?

No. Not that simple. Technically he could fight extradition from Florida for trial, but doubt he will and if he did, he'd lose. The fact that they have him on tape trying to get the Georgia Sec of State to fix the election pretty much makes it obvious he can't win an extradition case. He will be tried in Georgia. Chances are they will find a MAGAt or two on the jury so he may get off per usual, but he'll either be tried or plea

Ok thanks. And would an extradition be applied state by state or nationwide?

If it came to that a state prosecutor would have to file to extradite someone from another state. But I am not sure if a charge of trying to steal a national election would apply. Also, since Trumpy feeds off publicity, I don’t think it would be an issue because he’d be happy to show off in front of cameras at the courthouse in Atlanta

[Beltane]

Dodgy Donald is in a bit of a pickle, and he will be keeping his plethora of legal people employed and wealthy (if he pays up) for years as he is embroiled in seven cases in several jurisdictions involving:

1. Alleged “persistent and repeated business fraud” at his Trump Organisation, October 2023 trial, New York

2. Writer E Jean Carrol’s second defamation trial on January 15, 2024, New York

3. A lawsuit by four investors who claim losses from an alleged pyramid scheme involving a phone company promoted by Trump on The Apprentice. The claim is now against Trump alone, as claims against his children were dropped after they gave dispositions. Trial starts on January 29, 2024, New York

4. 34 counts relating to alleged hush money paid to Stormy Daniels, trial set for March 25, 2024, New York

5. 40 counts relating to classified documents kept at his residence, May 20, 2024 trial, Florida

6. Four counts, including three of conspiracy, relating to an effort to overturn the 2020 election which led to the January 6 Capitol riots, Washington.

7. Alleged scheme to overturn the 2020 election Georgia college vote, Georgia

Sooner than later, Trump will be able to read three books a week, use the gym every day and have sex available on call - all within his jail's walls.

[Baby Face Finster]

The most innocent man in the history of the world. Why do they persecute him so much?

[KiwiRider]

The most innocent man in the history of the world. Why do they persecute him so much?

Because the Democrats have the DOJ, FBI and Homeland Security in their back pockets and will do anything to manipulate democracy.
They know they have a dead duck in the White House and no one significant enough to beat Trump waiting in the wings.

[Counter-puncher]

The most innocent man in the history of the world. Why do they persecute him so much?

Because the Democrats have the DOJ, FBI and Homeland Security in their back pockets and will do anything to manipulate democracy.

[margaret thatcher]

The most innocent man in the history of the world. Why do they persecute him so much?

Because the Democrats have the DOJ, FBI and Homeland Security in their back pockets and will do anything to manipulate democracy.
They know they have a dead duck in the White House and no one significant enough to beat Trump waiting in the wings.

lol but i thought they can just fraud the elections to beat trump, already did it once right so why would they need to put charges on him too

[Counter-puncher]

Next you’ll be telling me dose dam dirty Dems will be trying to send fake electors to give false electoral college votes or siccing angry mobs on congress shouting that they want to hang the guy about to certify an election result.

You maybe going to throw a fixed election claim out there?

[hhaehre]

The most innocent man in the history of the world. Why do they persecute him so much?

Because the Democrats have the DOJ, FBI and Homeland Security in their back pockets and will do anything to manipulate democracy.
They know they have a dead duck in the White House and no one significant enough to beat Trump waiting in the wings.

Yeah, witch hunt. Especially Christopher Wray, that woke far left radical liberal commie bastard.

[giacomino]

Jesus, the snowflakes. Manipulate democracy? Oh, you mean like saying the September before an election that if you lose, you will claim it was rigged, then you lose and spend two months telling fairly tales about fraud, hold a rally the day Congress is voting on the electoral college and incite hard-of-thinking supporters to storm the Capital? All over claims even your own lawyers, campaign team and Fox News didn't believe.

Yeah, a real fvcking witch hunt. Poor democracy. Biden is ruining it for everyone. Trumpy will surely rescue it

[KiwiRider]

What has happened to those 52 FBI agents that signed the letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian fake just before the election?
Have they been fired?
Had their pensions revoked?

Oh, that's right, nothing has happened to them.

[giacomino]

What has happened to those 52 FBI agents that signed the letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian fake just before the election?
Have they been fired?
Had their pensions revoked?

Oh, that's right, nothing has happened to them.

Hunter's laptop! Hillary's emails! Benghazi! Whataboutism?

But Trumpy is all about a witchhunt, right? Luckily he'll save democracy for us all when he takes over again in 2025 and fire all the people you think should be fired and put Hunter in the electric chair for his crimes, which are MUCH greater than Trumpy's any day of the week

[Ned Stark]

Opened the thread how on earth has Doncaster being charged? What have they done

[jujigatame]

This idea that the FBI is some cabal of evil leftists is such an unbelievable inversion of reality. It's an organization of "law and order" types, predominantly white middle-aged men, many with prior police/military experience. The director is a Republican. If anything it is a right-wing organization and always has been.

[margaret thatcher]

hunter biden's lap top

[hhaehre]

What has happened to those 52 FBI agents that signed the letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian fake just before the election?
Have they been fired?
Had their pensions revoked?

Oh, that's right, nothing has happened to them.

Are you sure about the laptop story? Have you checked it out? I don't necessarily doubt that some (or even all) of the information (data) is accurate, but the whole "some dud left the laptop at a repair shop run by a blind man" story is more than a little fishy.

Also, Hunter Biden? Why is he so important?

[Counter-puncher]

the 'laptop' Giuliani was crowing about was apparently not a laptop at all but a hard-drive with no chain of custody, and evidence (from what i have seen) that there was significant tampering and fabrication/planting of evidence.

but, wait a second, Rudy Giuliani said it, so it must be true right?

I mean it's not like he has had to admit outright lying over his election fraud claims, right?

its not like he has taken a legal beating every time he has had to try and account for the various claims he has made on Trump's behalf, after all, right?

It's not like he has lost his license to practise law over his repeated lying, is it?

so, if a paragon like Rudy makes an accusation, sensible people pay really attention, don't they? with his proven track record of veracity, and all.