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Who has the best chin at this time, Wilder or Joshua ?
In a one off all fair and square, Joshua has a better chin as the fight goes on.
Wilder got wobbled early by Fury.
I know, different opponents and all that.
It's a close one.

There are 2 parts to having a good chin :
1/ Being physically able to continue.
2/ Being mentally able to continue.

Wilder sacked his corner for throwing the towel in when he was banged up and only fighting from memory against Fury.

Joshua was able to get up from the canvas against Ruiz but didn't want to continue and the referee stopped it.

I think it's hard to answer in straight up terms.

Neither of them have been cracked on the chin by opponents that carry the same power as each of them possess, so if they do fight, it will be uncharted territory for both of them.

I think it will come down to who has the most dog in them.

Both have shown that they have dog in them, Joshua against Whyte and Wladimir springs to mind and Wilder against Ortiz and Fury.

Joshua's examples are from earlier on in his career, Wilder's are more recent and it's for this reason why I would favour Wilder.

I don't think Joshua has that in him these days, hence his more cautious approach now.

I can fully understand why Joshua has modified his style and that’s the best thing for him, but I cannot see him surviving if he gets into a shoot-out with Wilder.

Wilder showed tremendous heart against Fury, undoubtedly.

Fury isn't a really known as a one punch specialist, though.

AJ was completely scrambled by Ruiz and didn't have a clue how to respond, pretty much like Wilder did against Fury in the second and third fights.

Aside from an early career knockdown (with no footage) we've seen Wilder outboxed and troubled plenty, but he's remained upright until the two Fury fights.

AJ has been wobbled a couple of times - and got up to beat Klitschko.

Both chins seem to be reasonable, if not spectacular. Though both of them whack harder than either of their chins, I expect, could cope with.

Difficult to answer in a chin vs chin context, but one telling factor is that AJ seems terrified of having his checked, whereas Wilder, through lack of fundamentals, confidence in his power, or both - doesn't seem to really give a fvck.

Evander wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 01:40 Who has the best chin at this time, Wilder or Joshua ?
In a one off all fair and square, Joshua has a better chin as the fight goes on.
Wilder got wobbled early by Fury.
I know, different opponents and all that.
It's a close one.

Well neither man has a good chin. I would say that Joshua has a better chin, and its average. Wilder has more of a glass jaw.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 07:20 Wilder showed tremendous heart against Fury, undoubtedly.

Fury isn't a really known as a one punch specialist, though.

An accumulation of punches can be just as devastating as being hit with one punch power. In fact, many ring tragedies have been the result of sustained damage over 12 rounds. Not being highlight reel KOed in the early to mid rounds.

In both cases mental and physical Wilder has the edge.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 07:20 Difficult to answer in a chin vs chin context, but one telling factor is that AJ seems terrified of having his checked, whereas Wilder, through lack of fundamentals, confidence in his power, or both - doesn't seem to really give a fvck.

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I think the more pertinent fact is that they're both top 4 heavyweights of their era. So it's important to see this match-up; just like I would've liked to see every combination of Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis fight each other in their primes. Joshua and Wilder are at a similar level right now, and they frequently have been, so this is a very good, even match-up. I think that once there's a winner and a loser of this match-up, we'll be remembering the winner with a greater historical significance and respect than how we see him today.

But yeah, they both have more power than chin. Decent chance that this fight wouldn't go 6 rounds unless they took an uncharacteristically cautious approach. Which, I doubt that, because I think they'll both take a medium approach.

I'd say Joshua has the better chin.

He's been hit by bigger punchers and never knocked out cold.

Wilder is as game as they come and no one can doubt his heart, but it clearly doesn't take very much to wobble him.

He was in all sorts of trouble against Ortiz in their first fight and has been deliberately kept away from the big guns of the division.

Both Joshua and Wilder were more attacking/reckless earlier in their careers.

10 years later, Wilder's demolition of Audley Harrison remains one of his career highlights.

Wilder has definitely always come across as less gunshy about a loss than Joshua though. Like he doesn't mentally fold as easily as Joshua seems to.

He's not as skilled as Joshua, but he's more confident in his ability. Figure that one out

evidence suggests similar chins

number of fights knocked down
wilder: 3 (sconiers, fury 2, fury 3)
josh: 2 (wlad, ruiz 1)

total kds
wilder: 6 (fury2, fury 3, sconiers)
josh: 4 (wlad, ruiz 1)

fights where hurt but not knocked down
wilder 2-3 (defo molina and ortiz 1, arguably fury 1 in round 12)
aj 2 (whyte, usyk 1....though latter seemed more fatigue than hurt tbh)

because of how josh reacted in ruiz 1 though, he comes across as not as hearty as wilder

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 12:55 Wilder has definitely always come across as less gunshy about a loss than Joshua though. Like he doesn't mentally fold as easily as Joshua seems to.

He's not as skilled as Joshua, but he's more confident in his ability. Figure that one out

That's because he is thick and delusional(on both points).

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 15:05

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 12:55 Wilder has definitely always come across as less gunshy about a loss than Joshua though. Like he doesn't mentally fold as easily as Joshua seems to.

He's not as skilled as Joshua, but he's more confident in his ability. Figure that one out

That's because he is thick and delusional(on both points).

But that helps his chin !

If Josh was delusional, a bit thick and kinda a narcissist like Wilder he wouldn't worry so much. But he's an honest, thoughtful character.., so he worries.
That worry is like a crack in the chin.

A lot of boxers need to be a bit delusional.

I think both have average chins. They're both average or below average in many aspects of boxing (when comparing to other top fighters). Doesn't matter their chin, if either of them land a clean shot on the other, their chins aren't holding up.

skanksta wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 16:34

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 15:05

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Aug 2023, 12:55 Wilder has definitely always come across as less gunshy about a loss than Joshua though. Like he doesn't mentally fold as easily as Joshua seems to.

He's not as skilled as Joshua, but he's more confident in his ability. Figure that one out

That's because he is thick and delusional(on both points).

But that helps his chin !

If Josh was delusional, a bit thick and kinda a narcissist like Wilder he wouldn't worry so much. But he's an honest, thoughtful character.., so he worries.
That worry is like a crack in the chin.

A lot of boxers need to be a bit delusional.

Delusion doesn't make a boxer more durable.

Disagree - it's clear that it does.

The religious benefit from their delusions in sports - same thing.

At this point, it's the same old story with Wilder, he's a one punch knockout artist.
He could drop many a fighter.
He's getting a little older and a little slower though, I'm not so sure of his championship rounds capabilities.

Evander wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 01:40 Who has the best chin at this time, Wilder or Joshua ?
In a one off all fair and square, Joshua has a better chin as the fight goes on.
Wilder got wobbled early by Fury.
I know, different opponents and all that.
It's a close one.

It is a close one. I think they both have great chins. I believe both have tasted the canvass 5x in their careers.
Joshua: Klitschko 1x, Ruiz 4x
Wilder: Fury II: 2x, Fury III: 3x
Deontay Wilder never got up from that final kd vs Fury be he took cumulative punishment. I would have to give it to Wilder simply because he has only been hurt by Fury while Joshua has been hurt by at least 3 guys if you include the 12th round of his first fight w Usyk

wilder was also knocked down by harold sconiers, and rocked by eric molina and luis ortiz

Chins both seem ok but not great

Wilders inactivity and 2 beatings from fury should swing this joshuas way

I dont get the joshua heart talk. He looked like a guy with a brain injury agaisnt ruiz - confused, smiling, wobbly

This whole topic is

Let them fight.

They're waiting to see how Fury's next fight will pan out before making a move I'd think.
They could sign Joshua v Wilder right now, they're both free.
So is Usyk, could do Usyk v Wilder.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 22:30 This whole topic is

Let them fight.

Too true.

This fight has been talked about for nigh on 6 years.

They reigned simultaneously as HW champions for about 3 years and somehow couldn't get it on, now they're both former champions and we're still speculating if they're actually going to fight, even though neither has a fight lined up, although to be fair to Joshua, he has just had a fight.

What's Wilder's excuse? He hasn't fought in ages.