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Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 15:02 She genuinely believes she is a Thought Leader. It’s the most jarring cognitive dissonance I’ve ever seen, outside people posting gibberish on Internet forums.
I was chatting to my dad today, who is 91, about politics, and mentioned the nonsense being spewed by Truss, and how there's actually people in the party who want her to make a comeback and his reponse was.

"Ali's got more chance of making a fcking comeback than her son"

I almost pissed myself laughing.

She's got some brass neck talking about slashing benefits, whilst drawing money from a fund for former prime ministers in a job that she lasted less time than a greggs sausage roll.

Thatcher's mini me is nothing if not delusional.
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Sunak has pretty much lost the whole car industry in one fell swoop :brick:
Huge employer and investor.

They took the 2030 "end of petrol" pledge seriously and have been spending heavily to make sure they could meet this deadline. All their technical suppliers btw have been on the same investment/reskilling path as well.

Ford UK boss Lisa Rankin made her sentiments pretty clear. It is corporate-speak for saying, you've massively dicked us about on this you simpering cretins. And next time we look at investing in UK Plc you can go do one!

Lisa Brankin, Ford UK Chair:
Three years ago the government announced the UK’s transition to electric new car and van sales from 2030. The auto industry is investing to meet that challenge.

Ford has announced a global $50 billion commitment to electrification, launching nine electric vehicles by 2025. The range is supported by £430 million invested in Ford’s UK development and manufacturing facilities, with further funding planned for the 2030 timeframe.

This is the biggest industry transformation in over a century and the UK 2030 target is a vital catalyst to accelerate Ford into a cleaner future. Our business needs three things from the UK government: ambition, commitment and consistency. A relaxation of 2030 would undermine all three. We need the policy focus trained on bolstering the EV market in the short term and supporting consumers while headwinds are strong: infrastructure remains immature, tariffs loom and cost-of-living is high.
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Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 08:13 i believe i may have used the phrase myself, before:

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving


You’ve got to hand it to Liz Truss. Few politicians do shamelessness quite like her. Or turn lack of self-awareness into an art form. Imagine being everyone’s odds on favourite for the title of worst prime minister of all time. Worse even that David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak. That would be enough to send most normal, sensate beings crawling under a stone for eternity.

But not our Liz. Almost exactly a year after her mini-budget crashed the economy, adding billions to the national debt and thousands to people’s mortgages, she’s back. And the prime minister who only lasted 49 days in the job before being humiliatingly forced to resign by her own party – hold that thought: too useless even for the Tories – wants us to know that she regrets nothing. She isn’t sorry for anything. She would do it all again in a heartbeat. Narcissism has been a trait of many recent prime ministers, but this is upping the delusional ante.

Still, there’s one thing no one can take away from her. She has at least advanced the cause of women in politics. Sort of. Not so long ago, women had to be twice as good as men to succeed to the top jobs in government. Truss has shattered that particular glass ceiling. She is living proof that a woman can now be every bit as useless as a man and still become prime minister. What a legacy. Admittedly May had nudged us in that direction, but Truss is an icon of incoherence.

Radon – “she’s a gas, but she’s inert” – Liz is a beacon for the brainless everywhere. Oxford should be rethinking its PPE course as we speak.

The relaunch took place at the offices of the Institute for Government in central London. Not generally known as a venue for comedy gigs but even a thinktank has to diversify these days. After a brief introduction from the IfG’s Hannah White, Radon Liz got started. Within seconds several people in the audience were beginning to nod off. Despite the excitement at not having heard from her in a year. It’s a rare talent to have a monotone delivery that can make Mogadon redundant. Maybe it’s the only way she can distance herself from the horrors of her own failure. What we have missed.

Why was she here, she asked. To be fair, something we were all asking ourselves. There hasn’t exactly been a national clamour for her return. The country is still recovering from PTSD. She definitely wasn’t keen to be back in Downing Street, she added. Hmm. Though she was keen to dispense her wisdom and give the country a second chance. Because what she had come to realise was that she had been right about absolutely everything all along. She alone understood how to grow the economy.

It went like this. Our debt levels were the highest they had ever been. And she should know because she had added to them to the tune of £45bn during her seven weeks in office. And 72% of people agreed the UK was now poorer than it had been. Again, she should know. Because few people had done more to bankrupt the country. But this was unfair, she insisted. Because her tax cuts had only ever been fiscal restraint in disguise. If only people had given her a chance, the country would now be well on the road to recovery.

That was just the beginning of the Truss fantasy. Because now she was asking us to believe that the entire political and economic establishment had been kidnapped by a socialist cabal sometime in the last 30 years and the UK had effectively been run by Moscow station for decades. The Office for Budget Responsibility and the Treasury? Communist sleeper cells dedicated to bringing down free market capitalism.

Even the Tory party had been taken over by the Reds who all went to the same London dinner parties and didn’t invite her. And the top double agent was none less than Rishi who had been recruited while at that well-known spy hotbed of Goldman Sachs. Radon Liz seemed to have forgotten she had been a Tory minister for most of the past 13 years and could have raised the alert then.

It all became increasingly deranged. She hadn’t consulted the OBR before the mini-budget as she knew they would give her the wrong information. Only she really understood the reality. She could have been a conspiracy theorist with her own YouTube channel. If she had made a mistake, which she hadn’t, then it was that she had tried to rush things through too quickly. But there had been no time to lose. The UK was on the brink of revolution. Not that she had ever wanted to remove Johnson. That had been the last thing on her mind. She had loved him even though he too was a socialist. He had been so right but so wrong. There had been no hurry after all. The way to capitalist nirvana was to get rid of Sunak, frack the hell out of the UK, forget net zero, slash benefits and cut taxes.

Weirdly there were a handful of believers in the crowd. Principally Nigel Farage and the increasingly absurd Lord Frost, along with some fanboys who tutted loudly whenever the media asked any challenging questions. Like none of this makes any sense and why can’t you just say sorry. Or say nothing. Ah, said Radon Liz. “I’m writing a book which will be out in April.” Then everything would be clear. Aagh. Not another book. We’ve only just recovered from Theresa’s. Truly, they spoil us.

But Truss was in no mood to back down. The Blob was everywhere and it had been out to get her. Hers was the path of righteousness. She would not be denied. Blessed was Trussonomics. We’d all come to regret not taking her more seriously. She couldn’t possibly have predicted the pensions crisis because she didn’t know anything about them. Again and again, she wasn’t sorry. Interest rates would have gone up anyway. So tough.

Nor was she going away. Even though that’s precisely what most Tories want her to do. To shut up and stop embarrassing herself and them. Reminding them that they can’t be trusted with the economy after all. Would she be going to the Tory party conference? Hell, yes. Personally I can’t wait. Radon Liz. The gift that keeps on giving.


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:lol: :lol:

It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
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That 2030 deadline was always pie in the sky. The only thing ‘net zero’ about the policy was the probability of it actually happening without being pushed back.
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:15 That 2030 deadline was always pie in the sky. The only thing ‘net zero’ about the policy was the probability of it actually happening without being pushed back.
That's irrelevant, you cannot tell entire industries to retool for a new reality, and get them to spend billions doing so, then just do an about turn - it will massively torpedo what is left of our car industry, which is already under assault as many car factories relocated to Europe.

It's completley mad.
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That's irrelevant, you cannot tell entire industries to retool for a new reality, and get them to spend billions doing so, then just do an about turn - it will massively torpedo what is left of our car industry, which is already under assault as many car factories relocated to Europe.

It's completley mad.


Spot on mate :salut:

And the UK government now has zero credibility in this sector, we simply won't be getting any more breaks.
The manufacturers but also our huge engineering/parts business sector beneath it are feckin' seething.

Serious money has been invested and diverted to meet this deadline in good faith, all ahead of schedule and based on a very clearly expressed commitment. Repeated time and again by every Tory Minister, almost ad infitium.

This is my day job (again) so I need to be careful: but every single client is livid because they've totally changed their spending programmes and canned many profitable programmes-products without reason. These by the way are now mothballed and can't be re-opened because of the expense :brick:

Seeing Ford react this way tells you everything you need to know.....we can trust the UK Government, we'll take our money and create jobs elsewhere and give it to a government that keeps its pledges.

A horror story day, how to discredit yourself with a massive industry in a matter of hours.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:19
Boxerbeetle wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:15 That 2030 deadline was always pie in the sky. The only thing ‘net zero’ about the policy was the probability of it actually happening without being pushed back.
That's irrelevant, you cannot tell entire industries to retool for a new reality, and get them to spend billions doing so, then just do an about turn - it will massively torpedo what is left of our car industry, which is already under assault as many car factories relocated to Europe.

It's completley mad.
Well yeah, obviously giving out pie in the sky pledges and promises isn’t very good from a national government. But that’s all this government have ever done, people (and businesses) should be well aware by now. The public got suckered into Brexit, now car companies have been suckered into wasting time and money.
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 16:17
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:19
Boxerbeetle wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:15 That 2030 deadline was always pie in the sky. The only thing ‘net zero’ about the policy was the probability of it actually happening without being pushed back.
That's irrelevant, you cannot tell entire industries to retool for a new reality, and get them to spend billions doing so, then just do an about turn - it will massively torpedo what is left of our car industry, which is already under assault as many car factories relocated to Europe.

It's completley mad.
Well yeah, obviously giving out pie in the sky pledges and promises isn’t very good from a national government. But that’s all this government have ever done, people (and businesses) should be well aware by now. The public got suckered into Brexit, now car companies have been suckered into wasting time and money.
It's a bit blasé to say the least. This is the most incompetent and chaotic government in my lifetime. It's not the norm for governments to change key policies on a whim like this, its simply not true that this is the norm.

Businesses have to be able to trust that legislation that's been passed won't be reversed on a whim by the same government that instituted them.

Sorry. Misread, you said THIS government...my bad
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 17:16
Boxerbeetle wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 16:17
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:19

That's irrelevant, you cannot tell entire industries to retool for a new reality, and get them to spend billions doing so, then just do an about turn - it will massively torpedo what is left of our car industry, which is already under assault as many car factories relocated to Europe.

It's completley mad.
Well yeah, obviously giving out pie in the sky pledges and promises isn’t very good from a national government. But that’s all this government have ever done, people (and businesses) should be well aware by now. The public got suckered into Brexit, now car companies have been suckered into wasting time and money.
It's a bit blasé to say the least. This is the most incompetent and chaotic government in my lifetime. It's not the norm for governments to change key policies on a whim like this, its simply not true that this is the norm.

Businesses have to be able to trust that legislation that's been passed won't be reversed on a whim by the same government that instituted them.

Sorry. Misread, you said THIS government...my bad
Don't worry, the economy is in safe hands with the Tories. Just be glad we haven't got a Labour government in charge, it would be carnage.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:14
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 08:13 i believe i may have used the phrase myself, before:

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving


You’ve got to hand it to Liz Truss. Few politicians do shamelessness quite like her. Or turn lack of self-awareness into an art form. Imagine being everyone’s odds on favourite for the title of worst prime minister of all time. Worse even that David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak. That would be enough to send most normal, sensate beings crawling under a stone for eternity.

But not our Liz. Almost exactly a year after her mini-budget crashed the economy, adding billions to the national debt and thousands to people’s mortgages, she’s back. And the prime minister who only lasted 49 days in the job before being humiliatingly forced to resign by her own party – hold that thought: too useless even for the Tories – wants us to know that she regrets nothing. She isn’t sorry for anything. She would do it all again in a heartbeat. Narcissism has been a trait of many recent prime ministers, but this is upping the delusional ante.

Still, there’s one thing no one can take away from her. She has at least advanced the cause of women in politics. Sort of. Not so long ago, women had to be twice as good as men to succeed to the top jobs in government. Truss has shattered that particular glass ceiling. She is living proof that a woman can now be every bit as useless as a man and still become prime minister. What a legacy. Admittedly May had nudged us in that direction, but Truss is an icon of incoherence.

Radon – “she’s a gas, but she’s inert” – Liz is a beacon for the brainless everywhere. Oxford should be rethinking its PPE course as we speak.

The relaunch took place at the offices of the Institute for Government in central London. Not generally known as a venue for comedy gigs but even a thinktank has to diversify these days. After a brief introduction from the IfG’s Hannah White, Radon Liz got started. Within seconds several people in the audience were beginning to nod off. Despite the excitement at not having heard from her in a year. It’s a rare talent to have a monotone delivery that can make Mogadon redundant. Maybe it’s the only way she can distance herself from the horrors of her own failure. What we have missed.

Why was she here, she asked. To be fair, something we were all asking ourselves. There hasn’t exactly been a national clamour for her return. The country is still recovering from PTSD. She definitely wasn’t keen to be back in Downing Street, she added. Hmm. Though she was keen to dispense her wisdom and give the country a second chance. Because what she had come to realise was that she had been right about absolutely everything all along. She alone understood how to grow the economy.

It went like this. Our debt levels were the highest they had ever been. And she should know because she had added to them to the tune of £45bn during her seven weeks in office. And 72% of people agreed the UK was now poorer than it had been. Again, she should know. Because few people had done more to bankrupt the country. But this was unfair, she insisted. Because her tax cuts had only ever been fiscal restraint in disguise. If only people had given her a chance, the country would now be well on the road to recovery.

That was just the beginning of the Truss fantasy. Because now she was asking us to believe that the entire political and economic establishment had been kidnapped by a socialist cabal sometime in the last 30 years and the UK had effectively been run by Moscow station for decades. The Office for Budget Responsibility and the Treasury? Communist sleeper cells dedicated to bringing down free market capitalism.

Even the Tory party had been taken over by the Reds who all went to the same London dinner parties and didn’t invite her. And the top double agent was none less than Rishi who had been recruited while at that well-known spy hotbed of Goldman Sachs. Radon Liz seemed to have forgotten she had been a Tory minister for most of the past 13 years and could have raised the alert then.

It all became increasingly deranged. She hadn’t consulted the OBR before the mini-budget as she knew they would give her the wrong information. Only she really understood the reality. She could have been a conspiracy theorist with her own YouTube channel. If she had made a mistake, which she hadn’t, then it was that she had tried to rush things through too quickly. But there had been no time to lose. The UK was on the brink of revolution. Not that she had ever wanted to remove Johnson. That had been the last thing on her mind. She had loved him even though he too was a socialist. He had been so right but so wrong. There had been no hurry after all. The way to capitalist nirvana was to get rid of Sunak, frack the hell out of the UK, forget net zero, slash benefits and cut taxes.

Weirdly there were a handful of believers in the crowd. Principally Nigel Farage and the increasingly absurd Lord Frost, along with some fanboys who tutted loudly whenever the media asked any challenging questions. Like none of this makes any sense and why can’t you just say sorry. Or say nothing. Ah, said Radon Liz. “I’m writing a book which will be out in April.” Then everything would be clear. Aagh. Not another book. We’ve only just recovered from Theresa’s. Truly, they spoil us.

But Truss was in no mood to back down. The Blob was everywhere and it had been out to get her. Hers was the path of righteousness. She would not be denied. Blessed was Trussonomics. We’d all come to regret not taking her more seriously. She couldn’t possibly have predicted the pensions crisis because she didn’t know anything about them. Again and again, she wasn’t sorry. Interest rates would have gone up anyway. So tough.

Nor was she going away. Even though that’s precisely what most Tories want her to do. To shut up and stop embarrassing herself and them. Reminding them that they can’t be trusted with the economy after all. Would she be going to the Tory party conference? Hell, yes. Personally I can’t wait. Radon Liz. The gift that keeps on giving.


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:lol: :lol:

It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
Yes, you're right. This is something I always think whenever I visit (and return from) other European nations whether it's Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, even Ireland. Basically, things work there, it's clean and organised and things generally function as you'd want and expect.

Here, everything's fvcked, run into the ground. Nothing works. Everything is run on a shoestring, everywhere is short staffed, people are stressed and stuff is broken, run down and generally dog eared. I think this anyway but it really screams at you when you come back into the country from elsewhere.

But the thing is, it doesn't need to be like this. Britain is a rich country, it's the fifth biggest economy in the world. There's no good reason why, say, Holland can run things properly and everything here is fvcked. Other than the fact that the Tories have run everything into the ground in order that every little thing can be plundered for profit.

Nothing, literally nothing is run for the good of the people anymore. It's all turned over to carpetbaggers and rip-off artists under the guise of 'efficiency' savings. And this why we are where we are.
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Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 03:55
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:14
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 08:13 i believe i may have used the phrase myself, before:

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving


You’ve got to hand it to Liz Truss. Few politicians do shamelessness quite like her. Or turn lack of self-awareness into an art form. Imagine being everyone’s odds on favourite for the title of worst prime minister of all time. Worse even that David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak. That would be enough to send most normal, sensate beings crawling under a stone for eternity.

But not our Liz. Almost exactly a year after her mini-budget crashed the economy, adding billions to the national debt and thousands to people’s mortgages, she’s back. And the prime minister who only lasted 49 days in the job before being humiliatingly forced to resign by her own party – hold that thought: too useless even for the Tories – wants us to know that she regrets nothing. She isn’t sorry for anything. She would do it all again in a heartbeat. Narcissism has been a trait of many recent prime ministers, but this is upping the delusional ante.

Still, there’s one thing no one can take away from her. She has at least advanced the cause of women in politics. Sort of. Not so long ago, women had to be twice as good as men to succeed to the top jobs in government. Truss has shattered that particular glass ceiling. She is living proof that a woman can now be every bit as useless as a man and still become prime minister. What a legacy. Admittedly May had nudged us in that direction, but Truss is an icon of incoherence.

Radon – “she’s a gas, but she’s inert” – Liz is a beacon for the brainless everywhere. Oxford should be rethinking its PPE course as we speak.

The relaunch took place at the offices of the Institute for Government in central London. Not generally known as a venue for comedy gigs but even a thinktank has to diversify these days. After a brief introduction from the IfG’s Hannah White, Radon Liz got started. Within seconds several people in the audience were beginning to nod off. Despite the excitement at not having heard from her in a year. It’s a rare talent to have a monotone delivery that can make Mogadon redundant. Maybe it’s the only way she can distance herself from the horrors of her own failure. What we have missed.

Why was she here, she asked. To be fair, something we were all asking ourselves. There hasn’t exactly been a national clamour for her return. The country is still recovering from PTSD. She definitely wasn’t keen to be back in Downing Street, she added. Hmm. Though she was keen to dispense her wisdom and give the country a second chance. Because what she had come to realise was that she had been right about absolutely everything all along. She alone understood how to grow the economy.

It went like this. Our debt levels were the highest they had ever been. And she should know because she had added to them to the tune of £45bn during her seven weeks in office. And 72% of people agreed the UK was now poorer than it had been. Again, she should know. Because few people had done more to bankrupt the country. But this was unfair, she insisted. Because her tax cuts had only ever been fiscal restraint in disguise. If only people had given her a chance, the country would now be well on the road to recovery.

That was just the beginning of the Truss fantasy. Because now she was asking us to believe that the entire political and economic establishment had been kidnapped by a socialist cabal sometime in the last 30 years and the UK had effectively been run by Moscow station for decades. The Office for Budget Responsibility and the Treasury? Communist sleeper cells dedicated to bringing down free market capitalism.

Even the Tory party had been taken over by the Reds who all went to the same London dinner parties and didn’t invite her. And the top double agent was none less than Rishi who had been recruited while at that well-known spy hotbed of Goldman Sachs. Radon Liz seemed to have forgotten she had been a Tory minister for most of the past 13 years and could have raised the alert then.

It all became increasingly deranged. She hadn’t consulted the OBR before the mini-budget as she knew they would give her the wrong information. Only she really understood the reality. She could have been a conspiracy theorist with her own YouTube channel. If she had made a mistake, which she hadn’t, then it was that she had tried to rush things through too quickly. But there had been no time to lose. The UK was on the brink of revolution. Not that she had ever wanted to remove Johnson. That had been the last thing on her mind. She had loved him even though he too was a socialist. He had been so right but so wrong. There had been no hurry after all. The way to capitalist nirvana was to get rid of Sunak, frack the hell out of the UK, forget net zero, slash benefits and cut taxes.

Weirdly there were a handful of believers in the crowd. Principally Nigel Farage and the increasingly absurd Lord Frost, along with some fanboys who tutted loudly whenever the media asked any challenging questions. Like none of this makes any sense and why can’t you just say sorry. Or say nothing. Ah, said Radon Liz. “I’m writing a book which will be out in April.” Then everything would be clear. Aagh. Not another book. We’ve only just recovered from Theresa’s. Truly, they spoil us.

But Truss was in no mood to back down. The Blob was everywhere and it had been out to get her. Hers was the path of righteousness. She would not be denied. Blessed was Trussonomics. We’d all come to regret not taking her more seriously. She couldn’t possibly have predicted the pensions crisis because she didn’t know anything about them. Again and again, she wasn’t sorry. Interest rates would have gone up anyway. So tough.

Nor was she going away. Even though that’s precisely what most Tories want her to do. To shut up and stop embarrassing herself and them. Reminding them that they can’t be trusted with the economy after all. Would she be going to the Tory party conference? Hell, yes. Personally I can’t wait. Radon Liz. The gift that keeps on giving.


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:lol: :lol:

It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
Yes, you're right. This is something I always think whenever I visit (and return from) other European nations whether it's Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, even Ireland. Basically, things work there, it's clean and organised and things generally function as you'd want and expect.

Here, everything's fvcked, run into the ground. Nothing works. Everything is run on a shoestring, everywhere is short staffed, people are stressed and stuff is broken, run down and generally dog eared. I think this anyway but it really screams at you when you come back into the country from elsewhere.

But the thing is, it doesn't need to be like this. Britain is a rich country, it's the fifth biggest economy in the world. There's no good reason why, say, Holland can run things properly and everything here is fvcked. Other than the fact that the Tories have run everything into the ground in order that every little thing can be plundered for profit.

Nothing, literally nothing is run for the good of the people anymore. It's all turned over to carpetbaggers and rip-off artists under the guise of 'efficiency' savings. And this why we are where we are.
The knock on effect of that, is that we also have lots of disgruntled and unhappy workers, people look so bloody grumpy here compared to Holland - I arrived last thursday, popped into a cafe to get some hashish after a very long journey, they had a bar opposite - and I got chatting to the barmaid, who was in her late 60's, who merrily talked for hours - then a couple of customers came over from the dispensary, talked to them, one of them went and ordered some deep fried mussels (delicious by the way) - and shared them with me, and the finally, the owner came in, and we talked at the bar for an hour - everybody seemed so jolly and friendly, I cannot think of many occasions, aside from at my actual local, that anything like that has happened in London.

As you say, it's about will- there is no will to ensure good public services here - it's a zombie economy rotting away from the inside, and much of it - most of it, is deliberate - those who are architecting it don't care if the country goes into ruination, so long as they can stuff their pockets before things turn nasty, or they are catapulted out of office - leaving the next party with the task of rebuilding a nation that's been sucked dry.
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Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 03:55
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:14
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 08:13 i believe i may have used the phrase myself, before:

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving


You’ve got to hand it to Liz Truss. Few politicians do shamelessness quite like her. Or turn lack of self-awareness into an art form. Imagine being everyone’s odds on favourite for the title of worst prime minister of all time. Worse even that David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak. That would be enough to send most normal, sensate beings crawling under a stone for eternity.

But not our Liz. Almost exactly a year after her mini-budget crashed the economy, adding billions to the national debt and thousands to people’s mortgages, she’s back. And the prime minister who only lasted 49 days in the job before being humiliatingly forced to resign by her own party – hold that thought: too useless even for the Tories – wants us to know that she regrets nothing. She isn’t sorry for anything. She would do it all again in a heartbeat. Narcissism has been a trait of many recent prime ministers, but this is upping the delusional ante.

Still, there’s one thing no one can take away from her. She has at least advanced the cause of women in politics. Sort of. Not so long ago, women had to be twice as good as men to succeed to the top jobs in government. Truss has shattered that particular glass ceiling. She is living proof that a woman can now be every bit as useless as a man and still become prime minister. What a legacy. Admittedly May had nudged us in that direction, but Truss is an icon of incoherence.

Radon – “she’s a gas, but she’s inert” – Liz is a beacon for the brainless everywhere. Oxford should be rethinking its PPE course as we speak.

The relaunch took place at the offices of the Institute for Government in central London. Not generally known as a venue for comedy gigs but even a thinktank has to diversify these days. After a brief introduction from the IfG’s Hannah White, Radon Liz got started. Within seconds several people in the audience were beginning to nod off. Despite the excitement at not having heard from her in a year. It’s a rare talent to have a monotone delivery that can make Mogadon redundant. Maybe it’s the only way she can distance herself from the horrors of her own failure. What we have missed.

Why was she here, she asked. To be fair, something we were all asking ourselves. There hasn’t exactly been a national clamour for her return. The country is still recovering from PTSD. She definitely wasn’t keen to be back in Downing Street, she added. Hmm. Though she was keen to dispense her wisdom and give the country a second chance. Because what she had come to realise was that she had been right about absolutely everything all along. She alone understood how to grow the economy.

It went like this. Our debt levels were the highest they had ever been. And she should know because she had added to them to the tune of £45bn during her seven weeks in office. And 72% of people agreed the UK was now poorer than it had been. Again, she should know. Because few people had done more to bankrupt the country. But this was unfair, she insisted. Because her tax cuts had only ever been fiscal restraint in disguise. If only people had given her a chance, the country would now be well on the road to recovery.

That was just the beginning of the Truss fantasy. Because now she was asking us to believe that the entire political and economic establishment had been kidnapped by a socialist cabal sometime in the last 30 years and the UK had effectively been run by Moscow station for decades. The Office for Budget Responsibility and the Treasury? Communist sleeper cells dedicated to bringing down free market capitalism.

Even the Tory party had been taken over by the Reds who all went to the same London dinner parties and didn’t invite her. And the top double agent was none less than Rishi who had been recruited while at that well-known spy hotbed of Goldman Sachs. Radon Liz seemed to have forgotten she had been a Tory minister for most of the past 13 years and could have raised the alert then.

It all became increasingly deranged. She hadn’t consulted the OBR before the mini-budget as she knew they would give her the wrong information. Only she really understood the reality. She could have been a conspiracy theorist with her own YouTube channel. If she had made a mistake, which she hadn’t, then it was that she had tried to rush things through too quickly. But there had been no time to lose. The UK was on the brink of revolution. Not that she had ever wanted to remove Johnson. That had been the last thing on her mind. She had loved him even though he too was a socialist. He had been so right but so wrong. There had been no hurry after all. The way to capitalist nirvana was to get rid of Sunak, frack the hell out of the UK, forget net zero, slash benefits and cut taxes.

Weirdly there were a handful of believers in the crowd. Principally Nigel Farage and the increasingly absurd Lord Frost, along with some fanboys who tutted loudly whenever the media asked any challenging questions. Like none of this makes any sense and why can’t you just say sorry. Or say nothing. Ah, said Radon Liz. “I’m writing a book which will be out in April.” Then everything would be clear. Aagh. Not another book. We’ve only just recovered from Theresa’s. Truly, they spoil us.

But Truss was in no mood to back down. The Blob was everywhere and it had been out to get her. Hers was the path of righteousness. She would not be denied. Blessed was Trussonomics. We’d all come to regret not taking her more seriously. She couldn’t possibly have predicted the pensions crisis because she didn’t know anything about them. Again and again, she wasn’t sorry. Interest rates would have gone up anyway. So tough.

Nor was she going away. Even though that’s precisely what most Tories want her to do. To shut up and stop embarrassing herself and them. Reminding them that they can’t be trusted with the economy after all. Would she be going to the Tory party conference? Hell, yes. Personally I can’t wait. Radon Liz. The gift that keeps on giving.


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:lol: :lol:

It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
Yes, you're right. This is something I always think whenever I visit (and return from) other European nations whether it's Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, even Ireland. Basically, things work there, it's clean and organised and things generally function as you'd want and expect.

Here, everything's fvcked, run into the ground. Nothing works. Everything is run on a shoestring, everywhere is short staffed, people are stressed and stuff is broken, run down and generally dog eared. I think this anyway but it really screams at you when you come back into the country from elsewhere.

But the thing is, it doesn't need to be like this. Britain is a rich country, it's the fifth biggest economy in the world. There's no good reason why, say, Holland can run things properly and everything here is fvcked. Other than the fact that the Tories have run everything into the ground in order that every little thing can be plundered for profit.

Nothing, literally nothing is run for the good of the people anymore. It's all turned over to carpetbaggers and rip-off artists under the guise of 'efficiency' savings. And this why we are where we are.


yup, and its all the result of conscious choices
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Privatisation has done all this, public services have been outsourced, these carpetbaggers grab whoever for minimum wage and lo and behold the services are bad.

The system needs to change but both major parties, and the liberals are right behind it.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 03:59
Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 03:55
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:14


It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
Yes, you're right. This is something I always think whenever I visit (and return from) other European nations whether it's Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, even Ireland. Basically, things work there, it's clean and organised and things generally function as you'd want and expect.

Here, everything's fvcked, run into the ground. Nothing works. Everything is run on a shoestring, everywhere is short staffed, people are stressed and stuff is broken, run down and generally dog eared. I think this anyway but it really screams at you when you come back into the country from elsewhere.

But the thing is, it doesn't need to be like this. Britain is a rich country, it's the fifth biggest economy in the world. There's no good reason why, say, Holland can run things properly and everything here is fvcked. Other than the fact that the Tories have run everything into the ground in order that every little thing can be plundered for profit.

Nothing, literally nothing is run for the good of the people anymore. It's all turned over to carpetbaggers and rip-off artists under the guise of 'efficiency' savings. And this why we are where we are.
The knock on effect of that, is that we also have lots of disgruntled and unhappy workers, people look so bloody grumpy here compared to Holland - I arrived last thursday, popped into a cafe to get some hashish after a very long journey, they had a bar opposite - and I got chatting to the barmaid, who was in her late 60's, who merrily talked for hours - then a couple of customers came over from the dispensary, talked to them, one of them went and ordered some deep fried mussels (delicious by the way) - and shared them with me, and the finally, the owner came in, and we talked at the bar for an hour - everybody seemed so jolly and friendly, I cannot think of many occasions, aside from at my actual local, that anything like that has happened in London.

As you say, it's about will- there is no will to ensure good public services here - it's a zombie economy rotting away from the inside, and much of it - most of it, is deliberate - those who are architecting it don't care if the country goes into ruination, so long as they can stuff their pockets before things turn nasty, or they are catapulted out of office - leaving the next party with the task of rebuilding a nation that's been sucked dry.
Yep, people here are pissed off because they're being exploited and dumped on from above all day every day, even if most of them don't know it. It just makes life so unpleasant, but It's not only London where people feel like that. Everything's knackered, everybody's cheesed off whether you're in Doncaster or Dagenham; Burnley or Birmingham.

But it doesn't have to be this way. It is, as Counter-Puncher says, all a result of conscious choices made by successive governments since the 1980s. But this lot have just taken it off the scale, it really is smash and grab, rape and pillage now they know they're on the way out - and none of this is easily solved. It would take 20 years even for a government committed to rebuilding everything to put right. What Starmer's regime will do, Lord knows, but they'll be inheriting a crock of shite.
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Re: Tory fvcking scumbags

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Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 03:55
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 Sep 2023, 14:14
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Sep 2023, 08:13 i believe i may have used the phrase myself, before:

Unfortunately for the Tories Liz Truss is the gift that keeps on giving


You’ve got to hand it to Liz Truss. Few politicians do shamelessness quite like her. Or turn lack of self-awareness into an art form. Imagine being everyone’s odds on favourite for the title of worst prime minister of all time. Worse even that David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak. That would be enough to send most normal, sensate beings crawling under a stone for eternity.

But not our Liz. Almost exactly a year after her mini-budget crashed the economy, adding billions to the national debt and thousands to people’s mortgages, she’s back. And the prime minister who only lasted 49 days in the job before being humiliatingly forced to resign by her own party – hold that thought: too useless even for the Tories – wants us to know that she regrets nothing. She isn’t sorry for anything. She would do it all again in a heartbeat. Narcissism has been a trait of many recent prime ministers, but this is upping the delusional ante.

Still, there’s one thing no one can take away from her. She has at least advanced the cause of women in politics. Sort of. Not so long ago, women had to be twice as good as men to succeed to the top jobs in government. Truss has shattered that particular glass ceiling. She is living proof that a woman can now be every bit as useless as a man and still become prime minister. What a legacy. Admittedly May had nudged us in that direction, but Truss is an icon of incoherence.

Radon – “she’s a gas, but she’s inert” – Liz is a beacon for the brainless everywhere. Oxford should be rethinking its PPE course as we speak.

The relaunch took place at the offices of the Institute for Government in central London. Not generally known as a venue for comedy gigs but even a thinktank has to diversify these days. After a brief introduction from the IfG’s Hannah White, Radon Liz got started. Within seconds several people in the audience were beginning to nod off. Despite the excitement at not having heard from her in a year. It’s a rare talent to have a monotone delivery that can make Mogadon redundant. Maybe it’s the only way she can distance herself from the horrors of her own failure. What we have missed.

Why was she here, she asked. To be fair, something we were all asking ourselves. There hasn’t exactly been a national clamour for her return. The country is still recovering from PTSD. She definitely wasn’t keen to be back in Downing Street, she added. Hmm. Though she was keen to dispense her wisdom and give the country a second chance. Because what she had come to realise was that she had been right about absolutely everything all along. She alone understood how to grow the economy.

It went like this. Our debt levels were the highest they had ever been. And she should know because she had added to them to the tune of £45bn during her seven weeks in office. And 72% of people agreed the UK was now poorer than it had been. Again, she should know. Because few people had done more to bankrupt the country. But this was unfair, she insisted. Because her tax cuts had only ever been fiscal restraint in disguise. If only people had given her a chance, the country would now be well on the road to recovery.

That was just the beginning of the Truss fantasy. Because now she was asking us to believe that the entire political and economic establishment had been kidnapped by a socialist cabal sometime in the last 30 years and the UK had effectively been run by Moscow station for decades. The Office for Budget Responsibility and the Treasury? Communist sleeper cells dedicated to bringing down free market capitalism.

Even the Tory party had been taken over by the Reds who all went to the same London dinner parties and didn’t invite her. And the top double agent was none less than Rishi who had been recruited while at that well-known spy hotbed of Goldman Sachs. Radon Liz seemed to have forgotten she had been a Tory minister for most of the past 13 years and could have raised the alert then.

It all became increasingly deranged. She hadn’t consulted the OBR before the mini-budget as she knew they would give her the wrong information. Only she really understood the reality. She could have been a conspiracy theorist with her own YouTube channel. If she had made a mistake, which she hadn’t, then it was that she had tried to rush things through too quickly. But there had been no time to lose. The UK was on the brink of revolution. Not that she had ever wanted to remove Johnson. That had been the last thing on her mind. She had loved him even though he too was a socialist. He had been so right but so wrong. There had been no hurry after all. The way to capitalist nirvana was to get rid of Sunak, frack the hell out of the UK, forget net zero, slash benefits and cut taxes.

Weirdly there were a handful of believers in the crowd. Principally Nigel Farage and the increasingly absurd Lord Frost, along with some fanboys who tutted loudly whenever the media asked any challenging questions. Like none of this makes any sense and why can’t you just say sorry. Or say nothing. Ah, said Radon Liz. “I’m writing a book which will be out in April.” Then everything would be clear. Aagh. Not another book. We’ve only just recovered from Theresa’s. Truly, they spoil us.

But Truss was in no mood to back down. The Blob was everywhere and it had been out to get her. Hers was the path of righteousness. She would not be denied. Blessed was Trussonomics. We’d all come to regret not taking her more seriously. She couldn’t possibly have predicted the pensions crisis because she didn’t know anything about them. Again and again, she wasn’t sorry. Interest rates would have gone up anyway. So tough.

Nor was she going away. Even though that’s precisely what most Tories want her to do. To shut up and stop embarrassing herself and them. Reminding them that they can’t be trusted with the economy after all. Would she be going to the Tory party conference? Hell, yes. Personally I can’t wait. Radon Liz. The gift that keeps on giving.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:lol: :lol:

It's insanse isn't it - after hollowing out public services, by reducing the money given to local councils by 60 pence in the pound since 2013, and siphoning off public money for wildly inefficient private contracts for everything from schools, to the NHS, to mass transport - the tories have effectively been burning all the furniture, to keep the house warm, then the doors, and finally then the roof joists, then they sit down to have a dinner party and the roof collapses killing all the guests and they lament "that bloody storm."

Are they mad, stupid, evil - I don't know, but this country has been completely hollowed out.

I returned after 4 days at a conference in Amsterdam, and the contrast between there and london was huge, I saw hardly any homeless people at all around any of the major stations, or suburbs, the public transport was clean, modern, efficient and very cheap. There were shuttle buses and trains from the aiport to and from the central station for peanuts. Everywhere you looked, everything was modern, well kept and clean, public spaces were maintained, the roads had zero potholes.

Staff at stations were abundant, helpful, smiling and proactive, even in the streets there were people to assist you to get a cab home at night, when I went out late one night,

When i got back to London, at the Eurostar there was only one escalator working, and no staff to hand, people were queing for ages to get off the train. I went to the lift, which was tiny, and very very slow, which also had a huge queue.

It was also noticable, that I had at least 4G and much of the time 5G on the train both from Amsterdam to Brussels, and also from there until we emerged from the tunnel in kent, where the signal dissapeared. When i tried to connect to the 'free wifi' there was connection, but no internet. I barely had signal from there until I got to London.

When I got to kings cross, the esclator to the Victoria line was broken, and the lift was out of order, and as I had really heavy bags, I had to get on the northern line instead, only one barrier working there too, so another massive queue, the trains were deklayed and so were packed, and absolutely boling, as well as smelly and dirty everywhere.

This country is literally falling apart at the seams, 49 local authorities are about to go under, of course the Tories will blame local government corruption and incompetenence (at least in labour seats they will) - but a 60% reduction in central government funding, has been designed to allow them to kick more money upstairs, and destroy local councils abilities to raise revenues and run themselves, it's like the ghost of Derrick Hatton has never left, they want to ensure that they can keep any areas not under their direct rule dirt poor.

What a tragedy.
Yes, you're right. This is something I always think whenever I visit (and return from) other European nations whether it's Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, even Ireland. Basically, things work there, it's clean and organised and things generally function as you'd want and expect.

Here, everything's fvcked, run into the ground. Nothing works. Everything is run on a shoestring, everywhere is short staffed, people are stressed and stuff is broken, run down and generally dog eared. I think this anyway but it really screams at you when you come back into the country from elsewhere.

But the thing is, it doesn't need to be like this. Britain is a rich country, it's the fifth biggest economy in the world. There's no good reason why, say, Holland can run things properly and everything here is fvcked. Other than the fact that the Tories have run everything into the ground in order that every little thing can be plundered for profit.

Nothing, literally nothing is run for the good of the people anymore. It's all turned over to carpetbaggers and rip-off artists under the guise of 'efficiency' savings. And this why we are where we are.
I think you mean - especially Ireland
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Fair comment :TU:

I said 'even' because Ireland was always seen as less developed than the UK going back in time. But, things have changed big style, I know that.

ps. I wouldn't mind getting a job in Ireland. Been doing some work with/for NUI Galway over the last few years and I like it. The place has a lot going for it. Plus, Galway is a cracking little city.
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Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 05:25 It would take 20 years even for a government committed to rebuilding everything to put right.
"even for a government committed to rebuilding"

which is absent, and said govt' would never get 20 years so it's doubly impossible which is depressing beyond words
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Counter-puncher wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 06:09
Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 05:25 It would take 20 years even for a government committed to rebuilding everything to put right.
"even for a government committed to rebuilding"

which is absent, and said govt' would never get 20 years so it's doubly impossible which is depressing beyond words
Yep. Hence see post immediately above.

Calling NUI Galway (or any other Irish university) - can I have a job please?
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Yep, people here are pissed off because they're being exploited and dumped on from above all day every day, even if most of them don't know it. It just makes life so unpleasant, but It's not only London where people feel like that

I'd not really thought about an overall miserableness affecting the uK because of a perception we've been taken for a ride, but the more i think about it the more it makes sense and I agree, there is an inarticulacy to the miserableness where people aren't connecting the dots as to why they feel exploited and fvcked over, basically what the cause of it is. which is why the tories kept getting voted in, of course, when they should be getting strung up (literally)
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Counter-puncher wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 06:22 Yep, people here are pissed off because they're being exploited and dumped on from above all day every day, even if most of them don't know it. It just makes life so unpleasant, but It's not only London where people feel like that

I'd not really thought about an overall miserableness affecting the uK because of a perception we've been taken for a ride, but the more i think about it the more it makes sense and I agree, there is an inarticulacy to the miserableness where people aren't connecting the dots as to why they feel exploited and fvcked over, basically what the cause of it is. which is why the tories kept getting voted in, of course, when they should be getting strung up (literally)
I think that's right. We've been living through this shite for so long now that a lot of people just think it's normal. Yes, they're vaguely depressed about it, pissed off and generally alienated, frustrated/low-level angry.

But most folk don't realise that there is another way (well in fact several ways) and that life doesn't have to be like this.
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the whole gaslighting move the tories have done, where anything but their 'drive a vehicle into a wall at high speed' economics is Radical Marxist Leftyism, has been incredibly effective, of course.

remember 'Red Ed'? Red Ed, ffs he was very barely to the left of Blair.

they are so reflexive about it, those who have been suckered by this talk, that they even talk about fvcxking Starmer like 'ohh, he may be playing the moderate now, but wait till he gets into power and he is continually getting held to ransom by the Labour Left'. I have had two different family members say exactly these words, they're intelligent people, they just haven't got a fvcking clue or been remotely paying attention to whats going on and as Starmer is Labour leader, well he must be some kind of fifth columnist latterday Rosa Luxembourg. He must, because, uh, well that's what they are schooled to expect from a Labour leader. A Threat. He might make us pay more taxes (etc etc), i mean i imagine that's what's in their darkest most worrying fantasies about The Damage a Labour Leader Can Bring, but who knows, maybe they also include compulsory lesbianism and once a week tranny days in all schools, or something.

And i'm saying 'wtf he's the most right wing labour leader ever, he's risk-averse to the point of basically being John Major in a red rosette, he's brutally purged the Labour party of all the Corbyn faction, ffs he jumped on the anti-semitism bandwagon every bit as hard as the tories and RW press because it gave him the leverage to turn the party into one that is Centrist, beige in tooth and claw, cos thats what he is, beige in tooth and claw'.

And they shake their heads and say 'well I hope you're right but I think Starmer's just hiding his real agenda' with that fvcking 'I'm worried about the potential future, I fear there are dark clouds are ahead' expression on their face and looking at me like I'm the naive knt doesn't know how the real world works.
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and the tories stole about 1/4 of 'Red Ed's manifesto after that election, IIRC :doh:
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Counter-puncher wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 06:09
Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 05:25 It would take 20 years even for a government committed to rebuilding everything to put right.
"even for a government committed to rebuilding"

which is absent, and said govt' would never get 20 years so it's doubly impossible which is depressing beyond words
It really is, labour will be lucky to survive two terms, before the public turn on them and blame them for the destruction wrought on the nation by the tories, and in truth I doubt they will do much rebuilding anyway.

I think the UK is in a death spiral now, in 20 years time it's going to feel like one of those ex soviet Eastern Bloc states, except there will be large enclaves of wealthy people in gated communities, that's if we don't end up with huge civil unrest, which I wouldn't rule out, even in a country where the populace have become so cowed and apathetic.
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I'm 54, my mother is 84. Possibly 30 more years of tolerating this shit. Profoundly depressing.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 08:37
Counter-puncher wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 06:09
Jaguar wrote: 21 Sep 2023, 05:25 It would take 20 years even for a government committed to rebuilding everything to put right.
"even for a government committed to rebuilding"

which is absent, and said govt' would never get 20 years so it's doubly impossible which is depressing beyond words
It really is, labour will be lucky to survive two terms, before the public turn on them and blame them for the destruction wrought on the nation by the tories, and in truth I doubt they will do much rebuilding anyway.

I think the UK is in a death spiral now, in 20 years time it's going to feel like one of those ex soviet Eastern Bloc states, except there will be large enclaves of wealthy people in gated communities, that's if we don't end up with huge civil unrest, which I wouldn't rule out, even in a country where the populace have become so cowed and apathetic.
it wouldn't be organised unrest, though, nothing productive to it, just mobs shoplifting and (probably) lynching trannies or immigrants
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