Tory fvcking scumbags

[SticknMove]

Groupthink and echo chambers are coming from the progressive left. The pushback and reaction to it is conveniently construed as right wing.

Pushing back on and reacting to woke ideology shouldn’t be controversial. But I guess the long march through the institutions has already gained a foothold and a dollar is better than a dime.

BTW there are as many Labour scumbags as Tory scumbags. High minded ideology departs when real world politics takes over.

[stujones]

why to I have a horrible feeling that Rishi is going to pull it out of the bag and actually be the most popular party in the next election. I can see a relative snap election being called when there is further evidence of the cost of living crisis/inflation has peaked…take the credit for “fixing it” and make sure it is before the people of Wales wake up and realise the “blanket” 20mphs isn’t at all blanket and actually not that bad. Will use the “protesting “ in Wales as a sign of a labour government and could just get it done.

Remeber boris won an election on three words.

[SticknMove]

why to I have a horrible feeling that Rishi is going to pull it out of the bag and actually be the most popular party in the next election. I can see a relative snap election being called when there is further evidence of the cost of living crisis/inflation has peaked…take the credit for “fixing it” and make sure it is before the people of Wales wake up and realise the “blanket” 20mphs isn’t at all blanket and actually not that bad. Will use the “protesting “ in Wales as a sign of a labour government and could just get it done.

Remeber boris won an election on three words.

Look no kid is respecting 20 mph. But mums on school run will slow it down arguing over parking spaces.

Seriously though I think Starmer is very safe next year.

[Coco]

While I would love to see Kid Starver(not Labour)lose, I think it is an impossibility,

Note he is copying the Tory spending proposals(or lack of them) verbatim

Kid Starver had also pledged to end the charitable status tax break for public school.

The minister for outsourcing the NHS, Wes Streeting, has revealed that it is to be unpledged!

[SticknMove]

While I would love to see Kid Starver(not Labour)lose, I think it is an impossibility,

Note he is copying the Tory spending proposals(or lack of them) verbatim

Kid Starver had also pledged to end the charitable status tax break for public school.

The minister for outsourcing the NHS, Wes Streeting, has revealed that it is to be unpledged!

Well I was admonished by saying there is a rizla between Rishi and Starmer yet the home office minister was hailed as a nazi. The Tory Party or Labour Party are not anywhere near either end of that political spectrum. However harsh decisions will need to be made …..hopefully by Teddy the community incinerater

[Coco]

While I would love to see Kid Starver(not Labour)lose, I think it is an impossibility,

Note he is copying the Tory spending proposals(or lack of them) verbatim

Kid Starver had also pledged to end the charitable status tax break for public school.

The minister for outsourcing the NHS, Wes Streeting, has revealed that it is to be unpledged!

Well I was admonished by saying there is a rizla between Rishi and Starmer yet the home office minister was hailed as a nazi. The Tory Party or Labour Party are not anywhere near either end of that political spectrum. However harsh decisions will need to be made …..hopefully by Teddy the community incinerater

I'm thinking of voting Tory to get a more left wing government, and to save the NHS

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Liz Truss was met by sweeping queues at the Conservative conference as she called for tax cuts to “make Britain grow again” in a challenge to Rishi Sunak’s bid to keep the fractious party together.

Nearly a year after she was forced out of office when she lost the support of Conservative MPs during her chaotic 49 days as prime minister, Ms Truss rallied a supportive crowd of members at the fringes of the party conference in Manchester on Monday.

There were cheers from the hundreds who managed to make it into the grand room in the Midland Hotel when they were reminded she was elected by party activists, in contrast to the Prime Minister’s victory among MPs.

Ms Truss urged members to “unleash their inner conservative” after calling for Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to cut corporation tax to 19%, at least, and to slash Government spending.

“Let’s stop taxing and banning things,” she told the packed room.

“Let’s instead build things and make things. Let’s be prepared to make conservative arguments again, even if it’s unpopular, even if it’s difficult. I want everybody in this room to unleash their inner conservative.

“And finally, my friends, let’s make Britain grow again.”

like i keep saying, she isn't going away....

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in an incredible piece of grandstanding, Tory transport secretary 'calls time' on something that never came in in the first place.

Speaking from the main stage of the Tory party conference, the Cabinet minister announced the Government will review its powers to prevent “overzealous use of traffic management” as part of its Plan for Drivers.

The global concept of 15-minute cities is based on having shops, services and workplaces within a short walk or bicycle ride from people’s homes.

The Government will investigate what options we have in our toolbox to restrict overzealous use of traffic management measures

there's nothing like shutting the stable door when there isn't even a horse.

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and she is actual;ly getting people (well, Tories, not quite the same thing) to sign on with her, uh, missiopn.

Sixty Conservative MPs have joined Liz Truss’s Growth Group, imperilling the government’s majority in parliament, as Rishi Sunak was warned by former cabinet ministers “we cannot accept the status quo”.

At a packed fringe meeting during Conservative party conference, Truss and her supporters held a rally where they pushed for the chancellor to cut corporation tax, build 500,000 new homes and resume fracking to cut energy bills.

Truss made her only public appearance during the gathering of activists in Manchester to suggest the Conservatives were no longer the party of business. She argued the state had become too big, with taxes and spending unsustainably high.

Despite resigning from office nearly a year ago after her disastrous mini-budget, Truss showed no signs of contrition, saying Sunak should be willing to take tough decisions to help grow the economy even if they were unpopular.

Sunak was told by another former disaffected cabinet minister, Ranil Jayawardena, that the Conservative Growth Group of Truss’s allies had grown in size to include 60 MPs – the same size as the government’s majority in the Commons.

Jayawardena called for stamp duty to be scrapped on people’s principal homes, while Jacob Rees-Mogg also argued that what he called the “pernicious” inheritance tax should be scrapped.

The former home secretary Priti Patel said: “We cannot be timid any more, we cannot be risk averse and we cannot accept the status quo.”
It piles pressure on Sunak and his chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, before the king’s speech and autumn statement in November. Hunt acknowledged in his conference speech that “the level of tax is too high”, though added he was focused on tackling the “long-term” challenge of inflation first.

Despite more than 30 Tory MPs last week signing a pledge to vote against any moves to raise the tax burden, Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank said the chance for tax cuts was “very remote”.

“I don’t think there is space for tax cuts, unless we can think of some pretty radical ways,” Johnson told the Guardian at another conference fringe event in Manchester.

“It’s not just the immediate pressures that we’re seeing in public finances, but we know that we’re going to be needing to spend more on health and pensions, social care and everything going forward as a result of demographic change. So I think the chances of tax cuts are very remote.”

notice, once again, how they attempt to identify 'boldness' or a lack of risk-aversion as being an end in and of itself, which should indicate both the entirely, disgustingly dogmatic and ideological nature of their approach but also the fact that it can be (in their minds) entirely divorced from the prevailing financial circumstances of the time.

In their m,ind, what is right, is right, is righyt- tax cuts are right, so the timing could not be wrong, whenever they happen.

This is the direction of travel. Pray Kid Starver just about manages to pip them in the next election- they may have grown out of it, when the next election comes along*




* Although I very, very much doubt it. We could all, right now, if we wished to, write Liz Truss's response to a Tory election loss next time around; it will be from a 'lack of boldness', won't it, we lowered taxes and slashed spending but not by nearly enough, 'next time we must be true to our beliefs'.....

and isn't it great how they disguise their rabid desire to completely remove the state, and their usual desire to cut taxes for the rich, as stemming from positive motivations, to create growth.

anyway, they should all be fvcking shot.

[Jaguar]

Jesus, these people really are dangerous loons. They just want to rape everything to get the last drop of profit into the pockets of the super rich. And then set fire to the corpse.

Problem is, I suspect this narrative will become even stronger if they end up in opposition (and do suspect it is if). Then it'll just be any fruitcake idea dressed up as bold and brave. But the problem is, a lot of people will buy it

[NazNaci1]

The Online Safety Act was also passed, which is so ambiguous. meaning anything or anyone the Govt does not like or deems to cause 'offence' or speak out can be arrested, go to trial and get banged up.

So much for Freedom of Speech......*puff.*....gone.

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Jesus, these people really are dangerous loons. They just want to rape everything to get the last drop of profit into the pockets of the super rich. And then set fire to the corpse.

Problem is, I suspect this narrative will become even stronger if they end up in opposition (and do suspect it is if). Then it'll just be any fruitcake idea dressed up as bold and brave. But the problem is, a lot of people will buy it

Indeed, and the more Labour struggle to deal with the legacy they were left, the more people will find the Panglossian fantasies of Truss appealing.

I guarantee Truss is actually going to be one of the most influential Tories in that Opposition. She isn’t that bright, clearly, but she was clever in terms of opportunism; Braverman had already nailed down the hardline ‘anti-woke’ position* so Trussy has managed to aggrandise for herself the ‘blue sky big idea heir to Thatcherite economics intellectual**’ position


I noticed earlier that she (Braverman) slagged off people objecting to her anti-gay-immigrant schtick from last week as ‘Hollywood elite’ figures or something similar. That’s her go to now, to get he People on her side, she’s aligned with the masses against the elite ffs

** I know, it’s a low bar in the Tory party as to what constitutes an intellectual, but that’s how she will be identified as. For her visionary idea that growth is good

[Jaguar]

Jesus, these people really are dangerous loons. They just want to rape everything to get the last drop of profit into the pockets of the super rich. And then set fire to the corpse.

Problem is, I suspect this narrative will become even stronger if they end up in opposition (and do suspect it is if). Then it'll just be any fruitcake idea dressed up as bold and brave. But the problem is, a lot of people will buy it

Indeed, and the more Labour struggle to deal with the legacy they were left, the more people will find the Panglossian fantasies of Truss appealing.

I guarantee Truss is actually going to be one of the most influential Tories in that Opposition. She isn’t that bright, clearly, but she was clever in terms of opportunism; Braverman had already nailed down the hardline ‘anti-woke’ position* so Trussy has managed to aggrandise for herself the ‘blue sky big idea heir to Thatcherite economics intellectual**’ position


I noticed earlier that she (Braverman) slagged off people objecting to her anti-gay-immigrant schtick from last week as ‘Hollywood elite’ figures or something similar. That’s her go to now, to get he People on her side, she’s aligned with the masses against the elite ffs

** I know, it’s a low bar in the Tory party as to what constitutes an intellectual, but that’s how she will be identified as. For her visionary idea that growth is good

Man, you know it really is the pits when Liz Truss is the brains in the outfit.

[Bodyshot3]

I am far more sanguine CP.......Truss is a totally busted flush.

She's got her little cabal of malcontent idiots who are still sore their coup d etat failed lasted barely a month and they're back now on backbench 'for life' duties.

Plus every conference always has these gobby factions meeting in the hotel bars who make a bit of temporary noise with a press release and holding drinks party for hundreds of thirsty, news hungry journos.

Truss can be ignored, it is the more dangerous Braverman and the utterly loathsome Gove - who still pulls strings - to look out for.

Gove is angling for a massive tax cut "bribe" which the economy can ill afford and which he will predictably be the first person to renege upon. He's way, way more dangerous than Dim Liz.

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I am far more sanguine CP.......Truss is a totally busted flush.

She's got her little cabal of idiots who are still sore their coup d etat failed lasted a month and every conference has factions meeting in the hotel bars.

There were queues for her speech mate it wasn’t a handful of tipsy loyalists in a hotel bar.

Just watch

[Bodyshot3]

Please relax CP old buddy.....it is a party conference/pantomime and she has a last helping of notoriety
I (reluctantly) did one of these things for a client and it is all dead weird and utterly divorced from reality.

[Counter-puncher]

We’ll see

[Lenny Cravats]

Kemi Badenoch is favourite for the Tory Leadership after Sunak, with Morduant in second.
Braverman and Keegan both come after Cleverly.

Do we think that Rishi - with no mandate from the Tory members, will hang on as leader after they lose the next GE, or you think he'll pull a Johnson and refuse to leave?

[Jaguar]

Kemi Badenoch is favourite for the Tory Leadership after Sunak, with Morduant in second.
Braverman and Keegan both come after Cleverly.

Do we think that Rishi - with no mandate from the Tory members, will hang on as leader after they lose the next GE, or you think he'll pull a Johnson and refuse to leave?

Great lineup. No nasty middle-class White males in the running. We should be celebrating what a wonderfully open, diverse and tolerant nation Britain has become.

Oh, hang on

[Counter-puncher]

Kemi Badenoch is favourite for the Tory Leadership after Sunak, with Morduant in second.
Braverman and Keegan both come after Cleverly.

Do we think that Rishi - with no mandate from the Tory members, will hang on as leader after they lose the next GE, or you think he'll pull a Johnson and refuse to leave?

nah, he'll be off to Goldman Sachs or whoever, i think he's started to have enough of this politics lark. he's rich as sh1t and entitled and smarmy and he doesn't have BoJo's Electoral Stardust to rely on, he won't carry on playing a game he isn't winning.

I also think that as the tory party has split, and he is for want of a better phrase leader of a faction (or at least the pro-Boris/ pro-Truss factions definitely line up against him and fvcking HATE him) that a lot of the outgoing tory MP's who are resigning or lose their seats, will be what might be left of his support

i think the parliamentary tories such as they are after the election will be strongly dominated by the BoJo/JRM/Braverman faction, and he won't have a place in or even want to be part of that party.

[Counter-puncher]

Kemi Badenoch is favourite for the Tory Leadership after Sunak, with Morduant in second.

that shocks me. i really didn't think Badenoch had the prominence, i would have sworn Braverman would be right up there.

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It’s like gatecrashing a parallel universe. One where all the normal rules of politics are broken. A party conference is normally where people and politicians come together to share their worldview. Confirmation bias. Or, when times are tough, to bunker down and reassure themselves that all is well with their world even if the world is against them.

But here in Manchester, almost all that most people – including Rishi Sunak – agree on is that 13 years of Conservative government have brought the country to its knees. When they catch up with the Tories who have done this to the UK, there will be hell to pay. What they do know, however, is that the only thing that will save us is more Conservatism. Logic isn’t their strong point. But we’re in the realm of false consciousness. Where previous generations of Conservatives have unknowingly been dangerous leftwingers all along. Now we are in a desperate search – heading ever further right – for the holy grail. The one true religion. Pure Conservatism.


Where the tribes differ is on how to reach this nirvana. The promised land of Margaret Thatcher seances. But let’s just focus on two. The People’s Front of Judea. And the Judean People’s Front. Two virtually indistinguishable groups fighting over the same ideology. Both convinced that Sunak is a danger both to the party and the country. Both with largely identical beliefs. And both fundamentally opposed to one another. Scrabbling for the bottom. In the forthcoming leadership battle, there will be no prizes for the person who comes second on the most rightwing scale. Nothing for the rational, or even the nearly sane. Only the deranged are welcome.

So step forward Liz Truss, the standard bearer for the PFJ. You might have thought that the prime minister of 49 days would have chosen to stay away from Manchester. Out of self-respect if nothing else. Or possibly fairness. Last year she had managed to turn her only conference as leader into a total debacle, so she could have stood back and let Rish! do the same with his. I mean, he’s more than capable of screwing things up without any input from her.

They were backing up round the corridors and out the front door of the Midland hotel for Truss’s “Rally for Growth”. By far the longest queues of the day. If you need somewhere to lie down, there’s plenty of spare seats in the main hall. A few of those in line were simply catastrophe curious. Party members who wanted a chance to eyeball one of life’s greatest failures. But the majority were there because they were genuine believers. The political equivalent of the Japanese soldier in 1974 who had no idea his country had surrendered. They had elected Truss as their leader – Sunak was only a self-proclaimed pretender – and in their eyes she had done nothing to cause them to lose faith.

To be fair to Liz, she’s not short of ideas. The only problem is that they are all really terrible ones. But nothing shakes her self-confidence. She is a woman with absolutely zero self-awareness. No shame. And total amnesia. She didn’t look that well as she started speaking. Pale and sweaty. Probably the closest she ever gets to guilt. Letting her body do the work. The somatic reflex. But what a story she had to tell. Because it turned out that what the country needed was even more unfunded tax cuts. Crashing the economy had never happened. Or had done so in a different time zone.

If Truss had a fault it was that she had never been bold enough. She should have cut taxes further and harder. Corporation tax should go down to 19%. Or even lower. She still had no idea how to fund any of this. Then she would reduce energy bills by fracking the entire country. Except in the bits where no one wanted it. Which was everywhere. And somehow, out of all this, 500,000 new homes would miraculously appear each year. Me neither. It was genuinely breathtaking. Yet some Tories were taking it seriously. Barging past Nigel Farage – the Tories will let in anyone these days – a fan asked Liz to sign a copy of the mini-budget. That was the moment the conference jumped the shark.

Over to the JPF. AKA the New Conservatives. Much the same as the old Conservatives with Bill Cash, John Redwood and Iain Duncan Smith well to the fore. Their event to launch a new manifesto in parallel with Sunak’s manifesto was also packed. Conservatives genuinely hate the Conservatives. They too wanted unfunded tax cuts, along with leaving the ECHR, stopping A-level failures from going to university and being brave enough to kick immigrants who don’t look like you out of town centres. Something for everyone who wants the UK to compete with Russia and Belarus.

Still, the PFJ and the JPF were at least peddling hope. Which is more than any minister was doing. Jeremy Hunt was on and off stage in little more than 15 minutes. He had that little to say. The poor man is hopelessly out of his depth. Just a piece of governmental flotsam. Then no one was really listening. Everyone was absorbing the news that Sunak was poised to ditch HS2. The economy is being run by a halfwit. Or if Truss was in charge, a quarter-wit. Take your pick.

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farage at the tory conference, and ending the night revelling with the likes of Patel/etc, he seems pretty popular among the tory populist Right..

there is even (quite a lot of) talk that he might return to the tory party

my opinion, if they ran him against Starmer, he would win.

They duetted on Frank Sinatra's I Love You Baby, hours after he backed Liz Truss
Nigel Farage fuelled ongoing rumours of a political comeback as he sang and danced with former home secretary Priti Patel at a boozy Tory Conference bash.

The grinning former minister and the ex-Brexit Party leader duetted on Frank Sinatra's I Love You Baby, hours after he had given visible and vocal support to Liz Truss's attack on Rishi Sunak's leadership.

Farage, who is now a commentator for GB News, has been a visible presence at the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester, which he is attending on a media pass.

It is his first attendance for a decade and he has refused to rule out a return to frontline politics. And it has prompted calls from some Tory MPs for him to rejoin the party 30 years after he quit over support for the Maastricht Treaty.

Litchfield's Michael Fabricant told GB News: 'I think we should get on our hands and knees and beg him [to rejoin], we should award him with a knighthood that he should have had years ago.'

Tim Montgomerie, a former speechwriter for William Hague who is now a columnist, tweeted: 'I into Conference earlier with Nigel Farage. He got quite the reception. I'm convinced party members would choose him as leader if they could.'

It is his first attendance for a decade and it prompted calls from some Tory MPs for him to rejoin the party 30 years after he quit over support for the Maastricht Treaty.

The former Brexit Party leader had been front and centre at a rally led by the ex-prime minister at the Conservative Party conference yesterday.

Ms Truss used the Great British Growth Rally to demand tax cuts, cuts to household bills and a surge in housebuilding to kickstart an economic revival.

Afterwards Mr Farage, who wore a pair of Union Jack socks, said he agreed with her ideas '100 per cent' and that her disastrous mini-Budget last year 'played all the right notes, just in the wrong order', a reference to a 1970s Morecambe and Wise gag.

'I think what they did to her was a huge, huge mistake,' he told the Telegraph. 'It's policy that interests me. I think this woman has shown that she's able to stand up, take the abuse and fight for what she believes in.'

Mr Farage, who was mobbed by fans when he arrived at the Manchester convention centre hosting the Tories, also refused to rule out a return to politics himself.


notice, once again, that they make Trussy their heroine

bodyshot doesn't understand what is going on here with Trussy, she is absolutely not finished, not only significant parts of the parliamentary party, but huge parts of the Tory membership, and significant elements of the RW press, all fvcking love her

Truss isn't gone, at all. she will be exerting influence in the tory party for years, i guarantee it.

[Counter-puncher]

Nigel then reacted to former Prime Minister Liz Truss making a speech at the Great British Growth fringe event, also in Manchester, where Truss called on the Government to "axe the tax, cut bills and build houses".

Truss also added: "There is no reason we cannot go into the next election with a platform that is proudly Conservative. Let’s stop taxing and banning things, and start producing and building things."

Nigel said: "That's where the buzz was. That's where the energy was. That's where they were queuing for simply ages to get into the room. And not all of them did.

"What is interesting is this. What I saw today was not the usual battle of personalities for who's trying to get to the top and who may lead the party after the next election. What I saw today was a battle of ideas."

[Counter-puncher]

She's the Martin Peters of her political era, is Trussy, 20 years ahead of her time....