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23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 15:27
by joshj909
If this comes off, I would be happy with those on one card. Despite not being huge fights individually, collectively they look good.
Parker vs Wilder is the old WBC champ vs WBO champ from the pre-Joshua & Fury takeover.
Joshua vs Wallin is Joshua vs a fringe top 10 guy who is coming off a solid win and also we all know his weird fight with Fury.
Bivol, who just beat Canelo vs Rivera who was robbed against Badou Jack.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 16:35
by Perkin Warbeck
Also Bakole and Dubois may be in separate fights on the card. I'd like to see either fight Makhmudov or Anderson, or fight each other.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:30
by Redback Rasta
It makes a certain amount of sense to have Joshua and Wilder on the same card but it makes more sense them fighting each other. Perhaps the intention is for them to both get a fight under their belt and then fight each other but it's been a 6-8 year wait already and still no end in sight.
As for these two potential heavyweight matchups, seen worse, particularly lately.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:33
by gregregegg
Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 16:35
Also Bakole and Dubois may be in separate fights on the card. I'd like to see either fight Makhmudov or Anderson, or fight each other.
Thats one hell of a card.
I think Bakole needs to avenge that loss to Hunter. why not now. But Mak truck would be a great other option
DDD should fight wardly for the brittish or Kabayal for the Euro. (2nd option is less apealing but more likely i imagine)
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:38
by Redback Rasta
Wallin would be a good opponent choice for the repairing Joshua. He doesn't have the power to trigger the gun shyness recently evident in Joshua and may be a good steppingstone for where he is current at.
Parker was able to evade Ruiz's power for 12 rounds but was unable to do the same against Joyce. If a good version of Wilder turned up I suspect he would KO Parker. But it would be an interesting fight if it happened and if the more aggressive recent version of Parker was to show its face again there could actually be some fireworks.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:46
by gregregegg
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:38
Wallin would be a good opponent choice for the repairing Joshua. He doesn't have the power to trigger the gun shyness recently evident in Joshua and may be a good steppingstone for where he is current at.
Parker was able to evade Ruiz's power for 12 rounds but was unable to do the same against Joyce. If a good version of Wilder turned up I suspect he would KO Parker. But it would be an interesting fight if it happened and if the more aggressive recent version of Parker was to show its face again there could actually be some fireworks.
Ruiz dosent have much power. and i wouldent say parker avoided it, he just took it.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:54
by Redback Rasta
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:46
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:38
Wallin would be a good opponent choice for the repairing Joshua. He doesn't have the power to trigger the gun shyness recently evident in Joshua and may be a good steppingstone for where he is current at.
Parker was able to evade Ruiz's power for 12 rounds but was unable to do the same against Joyce. If a good version of Wilder turned up I suspect he would KO Parker. But it would be an interesting fight if it happened and if the more aggressive recent version of Parker was to show its face again there could actually be some fireworks.
Ruiz dosent have much power. and i wouldent say parker avoided it, he just took it.
Ruiz has enough power to have sat Joshua on his butt 4 times and stop him.
Parker was very wary of Ruiz's power throughout and fought a clever, calculated fight. Something Joshua would have been wise to watch and emulate in his first fight with Ruiz.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 19:24
by gregregegg
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:54
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:46
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:38
Wallin would be a good opponent choice for the repairing Joshua. He doesn't have the power to trigger the gun shyness recently evident in Joshua and may be a good steppingstone for where he is current at.
Parker was able to evade Ruiz's power for 12 rounds but was unable to do the same against Joyce. If a good version of Wilder turned up I suspect he would KO Parker. But it would be an interesting fight if it happened and if the more aggressive recent version of Parker was to show its face again there could actually be some fireworks.
Ruiz dosent have much power. and i wouldent say parker avoided it, he just took it.
Ruiz has enough power to have sat Joshua on his butt 4 times and stop him.
Parker was very wary of Ruiz's power throughout and fought a clever, calculated fight. Something Joshua would have been wise to watch and emulate in his first fight with Ruiz.
I think ruiz putting AJ down 4 times shows more his lack of power. Got him with a fornicating doozy equilibrium shot, fair play, had him on skates. but didnt have that big shot to put him away afterwards like a real puncher would have.
Ruiz has middle of the road power, much like parker. he isnt feather fisted but he isnt a puncher.
Wouldent say parker was overly wary of ruizs power, or fought particularly clever... he just fought like 90% of fighters would fight vs a shorter guy with fast hands... behind a jab and in spurts. The fact he didnt sit in the pocket for a tear up dosent mean it was wary and clever... just means it wasnt reckless and stupid.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 22:09
by Redback Rasta
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 19:24
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:54
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023, 17:46
Ruiz dosent have much power. and i wouldent say parker avoided it, he just took it.
Ruiz has enough power to have sat Joshua on his butt 4 times and stop him.
Parker was very wary of Ruiz's power throughout and fought a clever, calculated fight. Something Joshua would have been wise to watch and emulate in his first fight with Ruiz.
I think ruiz putting AJ down 4 times shows more his lack of power. Got him with a fornicating doozy equilibrium shot, fair play, had him on skates. but didnt have that big shot to put him away afterwards like a real puncher would have.
Ruiz has middle of the road power, much like parker. he isnt feather fisted but he isnt a puncher.
Wouldent say parker was overly wary of ruizs power, or fought particularly clever... he just fought like 90% of fighters would fight vs a shorter guy with fast hands... behind a jab and in spurts. The fact he didnt sit in the pocket for a tear up dosent mean it was wary and clever... just means it wasnt reckless and stupid.
We all see things differently :TU:
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 05:17
by funso banjo baby
If Dubois and bakole get half decent oops this will be a very good card. No idea who bivol and riviera are ?
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 05:30
by Evander
Bivol won't do anything for that card if he's that low on it.
He's not exactly the warm up act type.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 05:36
by Sweet Dick Willie
Is Rivera the popeye the sailor guy? No way he won Badou Jack and no way he has any chance against Bivol. Shameful shit if this fight happens, Bivol should be out there with the best of them.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 05:42
by Evander
You got to remember Bivol's style isn't what the fans want to look at.
He's not aggressive enough.
Good boxer though.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 06:03
by joshj909
JackSprocket wrote: ↑12 Nov 2023, 05:36
Is Rivera the popeye the sailor guy? No way he won Badou Jack and no way he has any chance against Bivol. Shameful shit if this fight happens, Bivol should be out there with the best of them.
Many had Rivera winning. Some even had him winning fairly wide. The official scorecards for Jack only had a round between them.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 06:18
by Sweet Dick Willie
joshj909 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2023, 06:03
JackSprocket wrote: ↑12 Nov 2023, 05:36
Is Rivera the popeye the sailor guy? No way he won Badou Jack and no way he has any chance against Bivol. Shameful shit if this fight happens, Bivol should be out there with the best of them.
Many had Rivera winning. Some even had him winning fairly wide. The official scorecards for Jack only had a round between them.
I just checked and I had it 96-94 so not as wide as I recalled.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 17:23
by Lackeos
Oh good, I was worried for a second that there might be a good match-up somewhere on the card.
Insane how much more money it would make if it was located in England and the line-up was:
Joshua - Wilder
Dubois - Bakole
Wallin - Parker
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 18:01
by CMCanavessi
Bakole - Makhmudov
Dubois - Miller
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 13 Nov 2023, 18:42
by BIGDOUG58
Great Card if it comes off...
Latest pairings are
Joshua vs Wallin
Wilder vs Parker
Miller vs Dubois
Bivol vs Rivera
Hrgovic vs Bakole
Makhmudov vs Kabayel
Sanchez vs Fa
Opetaia vs Ramirez.
Joshua W12
Parker W12
Miller KO 7
Bivol KO 8
Hrgovic W12
Makhmudov KO 10
Sanchez KO 7
Opetaia KO 5
Just my Opinion
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 13 Nov 2023, 21:39
by Evander
It is a good card no question.
However, just saw Eddie Hearn interviewed and he says they're still talking.
It kind of makes sense they'll do something as they had Fury v Usyk penciled for December 23rd until he got marked up against Ngannou.
Let's hope something comes of it.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 01:37
by gregregegg
I’m not going to get my hopes up till it’s all locked but I really like this card. I get people wanting aj vs wilder, but fuk otto aj is fine and wilder Parker is great.
If it happens Be happy with what is not sad about what could be… when there are belts I get angry about lack of unifications, but when there’s no belts if a contender is fighting a contender I’m all about it.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 03:02
by Evander
Putting Joshua and Wilder on the same card is really good.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 06:08
by funso banjo baby
Still needs to have decent matchups on the undercard. Quick ko`s of tomato's will be bad. Both the two mains have the potential for either early ko`s or dull points.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 12:02
by Gran Hermano
Great card if it happens. Doubtful Wilder will be involved tbh, Parker is a risky fight for him and if he loses, surely the Joshua fight is dead.
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 12:52
by The Gratest
Re: 23rd Dec - Joshua/Wallin & Wilder/Parker & Bivol/Rivera
Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 13:32
by SendoTakeshi97
https://www.BS.com/jai-opetaia ... um=twitter
If true, this is becoming a crazy good card.
There is not one "great" fight but many solid/good fights. This is going in the right direction.
If this is how future cards look like when held in Saudi, I'm all in for that.