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There are a few examples to discuss.

* Quitting on their stool.
* Getting up at 10 and complaining to the referee.
* Staying on one knee or on the canvas when they can get up.
* Telling the ref, "No." when asked if they want to continue.

Any thoughts?

Great thread….

Its really difficult …

I am going to have to think about this

One answer is who are we to say when it is not us getting punched

Depends on the age of the boxer and record he possesses. No for a journeyman if he suffers no injury and has a planned fight shortly afterwards.

Again no to those boxers who know their limitations and realise it's a lost cause after several rounds of beatings.

Yes to those boxers who have shouted their gobs off for a long time to get a particular opponent only to refuse to get off the stool when it got tough

I have 2 possible fights to discuss;

Joyce v Dubois
AJ v Ruiz

The only shame is the ones where the boxer effectively takes a dive as doesn't fancy it anymore / just can't be bothered. Thankfully a fairly rare occurrence.

Max Baer said when he quit against Joe Louis 'because you paid twenty dollars for a ringside seat doesn't entitle you to a public execution' I always thought that was a good answer - if someone has had enough then what can one do to send them back out for more punishment?

Depends on their conduct before and after. Walk the walk and all that. Billy joe saunders, shame on you prick.

By same token a fighter whos quit, particuarly multiple times, should be afforded less opportunities then those who dont.

Personally I think all the professional journeymen should quit as soon as they take one punch. That would be more honest. They’re not there to win, just to go the distance. It’s basically a fixed fight but legal.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 09:59 Personally I think all the professional journeymen should quit as soon as they take one punch. That would be more honest. They’re not there to win, just to go the distance. It’s basically a fixed fight but legal.

I do like it when a journeyman bangs the home fighter out though, or wins so comprehensively they have to give him it on points. Serge Ambono did it recently although he was an Olympic boxer so hardly usual journeyman material.

In terms of a boxer quitting, nobody wants to see it as it goes against the grain of the sport, but it's them getting punched in the face. Only ones I have issue with is dodgy ones like Gomez vs Mcdonagh but looked a bit bet-fraudy

I'm guessing it's not a good thing for a journeyman who has something like 2 wins and 50 defeats to beat a home fighter. Could cost the journeyman more work with the promoter. I think basically a journeyman's job is just to give the young proba work out to get used to boxing in front of the crowds.

Of course you get journeymen v journeymen which could be discussed back stage to who's going to win and how. A journeyman is only there for the pay day to feed his family and kids and pay the mortgage. There is no point ruining that status, you don't shit in the face that feeds you.

There’s no quit in journeymen .. don’t they get a 28 day ban if they are stopped?

Some of them are right busy

There is no actual shame in it. It's a sport at the end of the day and stuff happens. The fighter will still be reminded of it ad nauseam though. One of boxing's idiosyncrasies.

Personal shame, for sure.

As fans, we should never be ashamed of a man that wanted to pull out of a fight he's risking his life and health to complete.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 13:19 As fans, we should never be ashamed of a man that wanted to pull out of a fight he's risking his life and health to complete.

No truer word said on this forum

Very few fighters do not have a breaking point.

emallini wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 13:32 Very few fighters do not have a breaking point.

even Drago did....

It all depends. If a fighter quits and i think they put up a brave performance until that point i usually have no issue with it, but when it appears they did not take lots of punishment or get put down heavily and look as if they still had a lot left to give, it can be questionable, at the end of the day the fans pay to watch a proper fight and if one guy does not want it he should not be there in the first place. In every sport you want to see people give their all, boxing is no different.

Only if you have talked rubbish about another fighter quitting, like Saunders. Otherwise, no shame for me

Spud wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 13:21

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 13:19 As fans, we should never be ashamed of a man that wanted to pull out of a fight he's risking his life and health to complete.

No truer word said on this forum

emallini wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 13:32 Very few fighters do not have a breaking point.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 11:50

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 09:59 Personally I think all the professional journeymen should quit as soon as they take one punch. That would be more honest. They’re not there to win, just to go the distance. It’s basically a fixed fight but legal.

I do like it when a journeyman bangs the home fighter out though, or wins so comprehensively they have to give him it on points. Serge Ambono did it recently although he was an Olympic boxer so hardly usual journeyman material.

In terms of a boxer quitting, nobody wants to see it as it goes against the grain of the sport, but it's them getting punched in the face. Only ones I have issue with is dodgy ones like Gomez vs Mcdonagh but looked a bit bet-fraudy

I saw Peter Buckley ko a cheeky prospect once

No, even the toughest of men has his limits, yeah if they've given it billy big bollocks before hand it makes them look a right twat but nothing shameful about it. If anything it takes some real bottle for a boxer in front of a massive crowd/TV audience to admit they can't take anymore.

One of my favourite fighters of all time. The late great Alexis Arguello having to give it up against Aaron Pryor. Gutted to see him sat on the canvas knowing it was all over.

Exhaustion makes a coward of everyone

If you've truly given all you have to give, and you know this just ain't your night it's probably the wisest thing to do. That being said we're always drawn to those warriors that just don't know the meaning of the word quit.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 22:15

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 11:50

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Mar 2024, 09:59 Personally I think all the professional journeymen should quit as soon as they take one punch. That would be more honest. They’re not there to win, just to go the distance. It’s basically a fixed fight but legal.

I do like it when a journeyman bangs the home fighter out though, or wins so comprehensively they have to give him it on points. Serge Ambono did it recently although he was an Olympic boxer so hardly usual journeyman material.

In terms of a boxer quitting, nobody wants to see it as it goes against the grain of the sport, but it's them getting punched in the face. Only ones I have issue with is dodgy ones like Gomez vs Mcdonagh but looked a bit bet-fraudy

I saw Peter Buckley ko a cheeky prospect once

excellent
the Hull one did the same, will dig out the link, was a light heavy / cruiser / hw his name escapes me, watched an excellent documentary about him