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BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 04:59
by Ruthless-RKO
Current ranking:
Image ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - (#3)

2. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - (Image)

4. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ท Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

7. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Joe Joyce - 16(15) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#8)

10. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฉ Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

13. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Jared Anderson - 16(15) 0 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Ryad Merhy - 32(26) 2(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #19)

14. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ Efe Ajagba - 19(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Guido Vianello - 12(10) 1(1) 1 - (Boxrec's #96)

15. ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Otto Wallin - 26(14) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Question: How does Joyce stopping Ali affect the current rankings?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 08:07
by joshj909
Joyce fine where he is so no change. Although he has two consecutive losses to #6 in Zhang, he also has a win over #4 in Parker less than 2 years ago which is the second best victory in our current rankings over the past 2 years after Usyk beating Joshua.

I would bring Whyte in at #12. His record over the past few years is an L Fury, W over Franklin and W over Hammer. Realistically only the Franklin result matters and I think that's a better scalp than Wilder and Sanchez have since 2022 but worse than most others. Wilder and Sanchez are both way too high for me so I would just have to make a compromise here.

This makes my own rankings:
1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Hrgovic
4. Joshua
5. Zhang
6. Fury
7. Joyce
8. Kabayel
9. Bakole
10. Makhmudov
11. Ajagba
12. Dubois
13. Anderson
14. Wallin
15. Whyte

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 14:48
by KiwiRider
Joyce had a low level fight, and a fairly low level performance.
He got the job done, as expected, but Ali was able to land flush and frequently on Joyce. Not the sort of reset and improve you would expect from a guy coming off two losses because he couldn't defend himself.
Realistically, you would expect him to try out defensive tactics on a guy he is levels above, and he didn't.
Not expecting massive improvement obviously, but some at least.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 15:39
by gregregegg
Down one because he was copping bombs that a sloth could dodge. But nothing more because he took em well.

Joyce is the ultiment styles make fights guy, so ranking him is near impossible. Could be 5th could be 50th depending on whoโ€™s in front of him.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 16:11
by CMCanavessi
Voted other (10). Ahead of Bakole and below Dubois.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 18:13
by badawiy
Mostly agree with what's said above, but I'd throw in that's his below Kabayel too.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 22:01
by oogiebe
He did nothing to go down and nothing to go up. No change.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 05:12
by Ruthless-RKO
25.05.2024 - ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 1(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #32) vs. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Junior Fa - 20(11) 3(2) 0 - (Boxrec's #200)

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 07:02
by margaret thatcher
joe 8

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 07:28
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘28 Mar 2024, 05:12 25.05.2024 - ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 1(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #32) vs. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Junior Fa - 20(11) 3(2) 0 - (Boxrec's #200)
Fa starting to cash out. Early KO and hopefully a quick turnaround for Makhmudov.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 15:04
by gregregegg
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘28 Mar 2024, 05:12 25.05.2024 - ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 1(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #32) vs. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Junior Fa - 20(11) 3(2) 0 - (Boxrec's #200)
Weird fight. Mak should mak truck him. But if the very best version of fa turns up he could give mak a fight.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 15:56
by margaret thatcher
fa hasnt beaten someone with a win in going on 5 years :oo

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 23:13
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: โ†‘28 Mar 2024, 15:56 fa hasnt beaten someone with a win in going on 5 years :oo
I thought you were kidding until I viewed his record. LMFAO!!!

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 02:37
by gregregegg
margaret thatcher wrote: โ†‘28 Mar 2024, 15:56 fa hasnt beaten someone with a win in going on 5 years :oo
Wild stat.

Although 3 years ago he went pretty close with Parker.

Fa is pretty dam bad but not as bad as that stat suggests ^^^

Got absolutely dinged vs brown too, shit one to have on the record.

Hope he gives mac a fight, hard to imagine though.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 15:42
by Ruthless-RKO
8. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#8)

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 20:15
by oogiebe
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘29 Mar 2024, 15:42 8. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#8)
Now that is interesting. Could have impact on rankings for certain.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 20:36
by tiny_acres
oogiebe wrote: โ†‘29 Mar 2024, 20:15
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘29 Mar 2024, 15:42 8. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#8)
Now that is interesting. Could have impact on rankings for certain.
Most evenly matched heavyweights fighting so far this year

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 23:37
by Ruthless-RKO
oogiebe wrote: โ†‘29 Mar 2024, 20:15
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘29 Mar 2024, 15:42 8. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#8)
Now that is interesting. Could have impact on rankings for certain.
Course it is. They both ranked next to each other.

Glad this Saudi money has got Kabayel active.

And weโ€™re getting contenders fighting other contenders and not the likes of Alexander Flores ๐Ÿ˜‚

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 01 Apr 2024, 23:33
by Ruthless-RKO
Will wrap this up tmoro

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 03:29
by Ruthless-RKO
The vote is over.

Joe Joyce moves down to #8

Current ranking:
Image ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - (#3)

2. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - (Image)

4. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ท Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

7. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

8. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Joe Joyce - 16(15) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#7)

10. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฉ Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

13. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Jared Anderson - 16(15) 0 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Ryad Merhy - 32(26) 2(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #19)

14. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ Efe Ajagba - 19(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Guido Vianello - 12(10) 1(1) 1 - (Boxrec's #96)

15. ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Otto Wallin - 26(14) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 12:17
by Perkin Warbeck
Martin Bakole will face Cassius Chaney in Florida on May 31st on the Don King card (main event Adrien Broner vs Blair Cobbs).

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 12:29
by joshj909
Perkin Warbeck wrote: โ†‘02 Apr 2024, 12:17 Martin Bakole will face Cassius Chaney in Florida on May 31st on the Don King card (main event Adrien Broner vs Blair Cobbs).
Bakole should be much better than Chaney but Chaney is ranked #7 by the WBA so that shows what Bakole's target is. He's ranked WBA #1 so he's either angling for the WBA mandatory or the WBA Regular mandatory. Charr Vs Pulev is happening for the Regular while Joshua and Parker follow Bakole in the rankings so an eliminator with one of them could be called for the full belt if that's what the plan is.

Let's hope Bakole hasn't signed one of King's poison contracts to get it done.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 12:39
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: โ†‘02 Apr 2024, 03:29 The vote is over.

Joe Joyce moves down to #8

Current ranking:
Image ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - (#3)

2. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - (Image)

4. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ท Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

7. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0- (#9)

8. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Joe Joyce - 16(15) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 0 0 - next fight: 18.05.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Agit Kabayel - 24(16) 0(0) 0 - (#7)

10. ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฉ Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

13. ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Jared Anderson - 16(15) 0 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Ryad Merhy - 32(26) 2(1) 0 - (Boxrec's #19)

14. ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ Efe Ajagba - 19(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 13.04.2024 vs. ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Guido Vianello - 12(10) 1(1) 1 - (Boxrec's #96)

15. ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Otto Wallin - 26(14) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Then we should have:
Hrgovic Vs Dubois
Zhang Vs Wilder
Bakole Vs Chaney
Then Anderson and Makhmudov have some more one-sided fights keeping them busy.

Parker has also just called out Whyte.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Ali

Posted: 03 Apr 2024, 02:28
by gregregegg
Parker has been ring top 10 for 419 weeks now. Pretty impressive. Looks on track to make a decade on the ring top 10โ€ฆ very solid achievement from a guy many consider/considered b gradeโ€ฆ


Wilder has a decade ring top 10 although hard for me to see a strong argument for him being too 10 nowโ€ฆ