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Verdi wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 04:50 Naz would make my list

Coco wrote: ↑07 Apr 2024, 18:58 Martín Murray is too high

stujones wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 05:44

Verdi wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 04:50 Naz would make my list

In theory yes - if only it wasn't for that penultimate fight. Talent wise, not only should he be in the 10 he should be rediculously high up the list - quite possibly even #1 - Accomplishment wise - if he would have retired pre Barerra then yes - I think there is a case he did more than Barry, Conteh, Froch, Honeyghan, Stracey, Winstone - hell maybe even Joe Calzaghe - a Unified 5 YEAR championship reign isn't to be scoffed at.

BUT - his one fight vs a true great, but not in the "same" level of greatness as Mayweather and Pacquiao and he got schooled (sod the score cards - Barrera CONTROLLED every second of that fight) and then he basically wanted out and that defeat makes you then look at "where is his GREAT win". Hatton lost to Pacqiao and Mayweather in worst fashion - but them two were a level ahead of MAB. So looking down his record for his best win - and singular fight win tops Hamed by some distance, Honeyghan also - his best win was better than Hamed's best win, Stracey, Conteh, Barry, Winstone - all the same. Froch - not so sure, but his loss to Ward is probably comparable to Hamed's loss to Barrera - its probably a case of who you prefer.

So I think it is a case of whether you go for Longeivty - and possibly a less "standout" win (but more of them) but ultimately getting found out vs a less Long championship career - with a bigger "standout" win and likewise getting found out.

Its a tough call - hence why I have Naz in the Bracket for the 10th spot on my list.

Coco wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 19:43

stujones wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 05:44

Verdi wrote: ↑08 Apr 2024, 04:50 Naz would make my list

In theory yes - if only it wasn't for that penultimate fight. Talent wise, not only should he be in the 10 he should be rediculously high up the list - quite possibly even #1 - Accomplishment wise - if he would have retired pre Barerra then yes - I think there is a case he did more than Barry, Conteh, Froch, Honeyghan, Stracey, Winstone - hell maybe even Joe Calzaghe - a Unified 5 YEAR championship reign isn't to be scoffed at.

BUT - his one fight vs a true great, but not in the "same" level of greatness as Mayweather and Pacquiao and he got schooled (sod the score cards - Barrera CONTROLLED every second of that fight) and then he basically wanted out and that defeat makes you then look at "where is his GREAT win". Hatton lost to Pacqiao and Mayweather in worst fashion - but them two were a level ahead of MAB. So looking down his record for his best win - and singular fight win tops Hamed by some distance, Honeyghan also - his best win was better than Hamed's best win, Stracey, Conteh, Barry, Winstone - all the same. Froch - not so sure, but his loss to Ward is probably comparable to Hamed's loss to Barrera - its probably a case of who you prefer.

So I think it is a case of whether you go for Longeivty - and possibly a less "standout" win (but more of them) but ultimately getting found out vs a less Long championship career - with a bigger "standout" win and likewise getting found out.

Its a tough call - hence why I have Naz in the Bracket for the 10th spot on my list.

MAB lost to Morales and Morales beat Pac

Giancarlo wrote: ↑09 Apr 2024, 15:17 Jack Kid Berg deserves a mention

jwfg wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024, 05:48 1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Gershon Mendeloff
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Benny Lynch
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Joe Calzaghe

stujones wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024, 06:32

jwfg wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024, 05:48 1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Gershon Mendeloff
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Benny Lynch
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Joe Calzaghe

That's a pretty damn good list - I did not include Fitz in mine, but if I did - he would be right up there. I'd still have Wilde at #1, but maybe Fitz at 2 and the two Lewis' at 3 and 4. - but very close between those three.